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^But isn’t Nami piloting that aircraft or w/e it is called? I see him reacting to it but is there a clearer image. Not doubting you but to shut up downplayers. I’m sure Gongon will have the scans if you don’t have them atm. But fine mach 155 (average) casual end of PS?


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Yeah Nami is operating the waver. They were traveling up the falling beanstalk to get to Enel’s Maxim while Enel was raining down random lightning bolts. The one stray bolt just happened to come towards them and Luffy simply managed to kick it away rather casually.


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Redx wrote: Yeah Nami is operating the waver. They were traveling up the falling beanstalk to get to Enel’s Maxim while Enel was raining down random lightning bolts. The one stray bolt just happened to come towards them and Luffy simply managed to kick it away rather casually.



Yeah I know that bruh. But during that arc I’m sure Luffy dodged more lightning attacks then that though. Cause I know certain members are not going to accept this you know the usual. We just have to do our part to make sure when they deny it its obvious they are downplaying it.


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Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote: Yeah Nami is operating the waver. They were traveling up the falling beanstalk to get to Enel’s Maxim while Enel was raining down random lightning bolts. The one stray bolt just happened to come towards them and Luffy simply managed to kick it away rather casually.



Yeah I know that bruh. But during that arc I’m sure Luffy dodged more lightning attacks then that though. Cause I know certain members are not going to accept this you know the usual. We just have to do our part to make sure when they deny it its obvious they are downplaying it.

Well Zoro, Wiper and Ganfall’s group avoided more lightning than Luffy did. The point is that Skypeia Luffy is on panel visibly kicking a bolt of lightning before it could reach him and Nami. There really is no getting around that. They will only try to downplay but I can counter any piece of nonsense they come up with so I’m not worried about that.

All in all the M3 were easily above the speed of the average lightning bolt after Skypeia.

Nami as well given after the timeskip she managed to match the speed of her thunder breed with her hand movement. Usopp’s showings are still up for debate.


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Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote: Yeah Nami is operating the waver. They were traveling up the falling beanstalk to get to Enel’s Maxim while Enel was raining down random lightning bolts. The one stray bolt just happened to come towards them and Luffy simply managed to kick it away rather casually.



Yeah I know that bruh. But during that arc I’m sure Luffy dodged more lightning attacks then that though. Cause I know certain members are not going to accept this you know the usual. We just have to do our part to make sure when they deny it its obvious they are downplaying it.

Well Zoro, Wiper and Ganfall’s group avoided more lightning than Luffy did. The point is that Skypeia Luffy is on panel visibly kicking a bolt of lightning before it could reach him and Nami. There really is no getting around that. They will only try to downplay but I can counter any piece of nonsense they come up with so I’m not worried about that.

All in all the M3 were easily above the speed of the average lightning bolt after Skypeia.

Nami as well given after the timeskip she managed to match the speed of her thunder breed with her hand movement. Usopp’s showings are still up for debate.



Alright then it should be fine to use mach 155 for low balled calcs then. Since you and PandaG are being the debaters for it mostly along with me and Gongon pretty much provinding back up lol.


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Damn guys, according to our calcs and showings in the manga, low tiers like skypea Luffy was already able to react to lightning. Thats honestly sick shit. That means every attack we have seen then and every chara who matched luffy , zoro ,sanji are all above the Speed of lightning. What should I say. It is kinda boring now after the whole lightning Speed shit is proven. Yea so there will be plenty light Speed charas in EoS which will make kizarus fruit kinda useless but we dont know yet. Maybe no one will be as fast as kizaru in Motion Speed but in reaction Speed at least, thats what I hope. I dont want One Piece to become too overpowered. I mean a few months ago I thought Luffy being mach 25 post skip is pretty solid. Nowadays we are talking about low end pre skip mach 130 luffy.


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It wouldn’t make Kizaru useless. He never really was a top tier to begin with nor was he ever stated to be the fastest character.

One Piece won’t be overpowered imo unless the go beyond star lvl or some shit which I seriously doubt will ever happen.

Planet to Planet+ is where I draw the line on overpowered.


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Roronoa GoGon wrote: Damn guys, according to our calcs and showings in the manga, low tiers like skypea Luffy was already able to react to lightning. Thats honestly sick shit. That means every attack we have seen then and every chara who matched luffy , zoro ,sanji are all above the Speed of lightning. What should I say. It is kinda boring now after the whole lightning Speed shit is proven. Yea so there will be plenty light Speed charas in EoS which will make kizarus fruit kinda useless but we dont know yet. Maybe no one will be as fast as kizaru in Motion Speed but in reaction Speed at least, thats what I hope. I dont want One Piece to become too overpowered. I mean a few months ago I thought Luffy being mach 25 post skip is pretty solid. Nowadays we are talking about low end pre skip mach 130 luffy.



Lightning brah (about mach 180 high end) Not light which is 3x10^8 m/s or in mach terms: mach 882,353. Right now excluding Kizaru in the hst the best people are going to be is around the mach 2000 mark or a bit above.

Edit: @ Redx: Wouldn’t OP at best be technically nigh-planetary since the whole verse is just one big planet? Unless if Oda introduces other planet(s) don’t see them becoming planetary. Multi-continent+ most likely. But nigh-planetary is still possible though. The current ex-positional hype puts them at continent level.


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Redx wrote: It wouldn’t make Kizaru useless. He never really was a top tier to begin with nor was he ever stated to be the fastest character.

One Piece won’t be overpowered imo unless the go beyond star lvl or some shit which I seriously doubt will ever happen.

Planet to Planet+ is where I draw the line on overpowered.


That is true. He wasnt stated to be the fastest character but if someone moves at the Speed of light in a verse where light is still fast you automatically think that no one can surpass someone that fast but you are totally right, it was never implied nor stated that kizaru is the fastest.


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@Gongon. True but the only one I see being faster than Kizaru is the thing that made the DF in the first place.


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Now that I think about it Nami’s feats are pretty consistent actually. It wouldn’t be wrong at all to say she had lightning reactions before the timeskip considering after the timeskip she was capable of matching the speed of a bolt of lightning with her hand movement. Usopp’s feats as I said are up for debate. They could be simply written off as gag but he did manage to avoid certain bolts while Zoro, Wiper, and Ganfall were doing the same(although they were doing it with far greater ease).

@Tornado: It’s a near Saturn sized planet with 6 moons. OP characters surpassing Kizaru in speed is still a possibility. Rayleigh stated that even with Haki you can’t react to someone without your own speed and if Kizaru was attacking someone while traveling as light they would need lightspeed reactions in order to well...react. Meaning top tiers would be at least well into the relativistic range EoS.


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@Redx: I think we are taking things a bit too far considering Nami to be LT timer PS tbh.

But more importantly. Well I see the top tiers at most managing to be low relativistic. I’m guessing Kizaru must have a limit of some sort. Otherwise how else would other characters manage to fight him (unless they have some crazy ability as well). And I don’t think there will be many that can match his LS atm. Too early to say but I see OP top tier chars going low relativistic. I really don’t know what’s going to happen it’s just way to soon to try to come to a conclusion atm imo.


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Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote: @Redx: I think we are taking things a bit too far considering Nami to be LT timer PS tbh.

But more importantly. Well I see the top tiers at most managing to be low relativistic. I’m guessing Kizaru must have a limit of some sort. Otherwise how else would other characters manage to fight him (unless they have some crazy ability as well). And I don’t think there will be many that can match his LS atm. Too early to say but I see OP top tier chars going low relativistic. I really don’t know what’s going to happen it’s just way to soon to try to come to a conclusion atm imo.



Not at all. She has the feats to prove it.



Though this feat was preformed via predicting the path of the lightning she still reacted nonetheless.



And after the timeskip she’s shown matching the speed of her lightning bolt without any visible effort.
Also note: Baby 5 and Buffalo manage to dodge her first lightning strike.



There was one more she had during Skypeia but I think you get the point. Her showings are pretty consistent.
I see no reason why we shouldn’t take them as valid at this point.

Redx wrote: People will often judge certain characters by preconceived notions of what they think a “speedster” is or is supposed to be but if the character consistently shows it regardless of anyones opinion it should be accepted.


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On a side note do any of you think it possible that this may be Haki?



The way Zoro seems to pump his arms full of pure muscle is very similar to how other characters in fictions that revolve around a sort of inner power(e.g. Ki, Demon energy/Yokai, Haki, Spirit energy, etc) tend to bulk up via this “inner energy”.


(There are various other examples but thats all that come to my mind atm.)

I also believe that Urouge’s ability to drastically increase his muscle mass stems from Haki.



I think it’s likely given he’s a native of skypeia and they are known to have people awaken Haki at birth. However from what we saw it was mostly kenbunshoku Haki. I speculate that Urouge may have been one of the special skypeian’s who awakened Haki at birth but rather than Kenbunshoku Haki he awakened Busoshoku Haki instead. Which is why imo he’s able to do what he did against that pacifista.


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Redx wrote: On a side note do any of you think it possible that this may be Haki?



The way Zoro seems to pump his arms full of pure muscle is very similar to how other characters in fictions that revolve around a sort of inner power(e.g. Ki, Demon energy/Yokai, Haki, Spirit energy, etc) tend to bulk up via this “inner energy”.


(There are various other examples but thats all that come to my mind atm.)

I also believe that Urouge’s ability to drastically increase his muscle mass stems from Haki.



I think it’s likely given he’s a native of skypeia and they are known to have people awaken Haki at birth. However from what we saw it was mostly kenbunshoku Haki. I speculate that Urouge may have been one of the special skypeian’s who awakened Haki at birth but rather than Kenbunshoku Haki he awakened Busoshoku Haki instead. Which is why imo he’s able to do what he did against that pacifista.



Never thought about that but it is very likely that you are right. I mean increasing your mass out of nowhere makes no sense. Haki is the key


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This is also potentially Haki as well.



Fishman karate alone doesn’t really explain how he’s able to do that.


Edit: Which supports this:


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Redx wrote: This is also potentially Haki as well.



Fishman karate alone doesn’t really explain how he’s able to do that.


wtf did he just grab water ? That Supports “touching matter” with haki.


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Jimbei also has been confirmed to have Haki seeing as how he hurt Caribou with an ordinary punch.


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Redx wrote: @Tornado: It’s a near Saturn sized planet with 6 moons.



Forgot to respond to this bit here the first time. I know OP has 6 moons but isn’t only 1 of them our sized. The OP Planet’s radius seem to be 60% to 100% larger than ours. Or was it said somewhere in a databooks it’s size or something.

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Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote: @Redx: I think we are taking things a bit too far considering Nami to be LT timer PS tbh.

But more importantly. Well I see the top tiers at most managing to be low relativistic. I’m guessing Kizaru must have a limit of some sort. Otherwise how else would other characters manage to fight him (unless they have some crazy ability as well). And I don’t think there will be many that can match his LS atm. Too early to say but I see OP top tier chars going low relativistic. I really don’t know what’s going to happen it’s just way to soon to try to come to a conclusion atm imo.



Not at all. She has the feats to prove it.



Though this feat was preformed via predicting the path of the lightning she still reacted nonetheless.



And after the timeskip she’s shown matching the speed of her lightning bolt without any visible effort.
Also note: Baby 5 and Buffalo manage to dodge her first lightning strike.



There was one more she had during Skypeia but I think you get the point. Her showings are pretty consistent.
I see no reason why we shouldn’t take them as valid at this point.



- The first one looks legit I can see that putting her at mach 130 at the least.
- That should still put her up above mach 50+ or more but yes it is impressive nonetheless.
- Well the last one is pretty obvious she is mach 130+ maybe even mach 180+. But you get this better than me.

I can see were your coming from. But then how fast were the PS truly? Unless if you want to go by PS M3 mach 155 (technically mach 180+ but ya’know the vs shit) and PS other SH mach 130?


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Redx wrote: On a side note do any of you think it possible that this may be Haki?



The way Zoro seems to pump his arms full of pure muscle is very similar to how other characters in fictions that revolve around a sort of inner power(e.g. Ki, Demon energy/Yokai, Haki, Spirit energy, etc) tend to bulk up via this “inner energy”.


(There are various other examples but thats all that come to my mind atm.)

I also believe that Urouge’s ability to drastically increase his muscle mass stems from Haki.



I think it’s likely given he’s a native of skypeia and they are known to have people awaken Haki at birth. However from what we saw it was mostly kenbunshoku Haki. I speculate that Urouge may have been one of the special skypeian’s who awakened Haki at birth but rather than Kenbunshoku Haki he awakened Busoshoku Haki instead. Which is why imo he’s able to do what he did against that pacifista.



No I don’t think they are increasing their mass per Se. But kind of like how DB characters buff themselves up for strength at the cost of speed for example. But in this case it seems like an overall amp to boost their basic physical stats.

@Gongon: Did you see post #1408?


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