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Actually the strawhats may have already been MHS. After re-analyzing Skypeia their lightning feats are looking rather consistent imo. Nothing seems to be out of place. Well, except Usopp but you get my point.


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Roronoa GoGon wrote:

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Roronoa GoGon wrote:

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Redx wrote: @Tornado: I can’t believe you actually took the time to calc that...

Anyways the Monster trio were already MHS. I think everyone who has payed attention to their feats already knows this.



NP. Just wanted to disprove certain members behind guest names. The thing is I personally get the PS trio at best at about mach 20. Not the fact that Luffy has 2 feats of casual mach 28 and mach 88 while Sanji has a casual one of mach 150+ . The M3 going all out I can see them being mach 200 or more. So basically in strength wise they have gotten what seems like almost 100 times stronger. Holy shit.

Roronoa GoGon wrote: Wow man you did something I could never do I guess. Awesome and ty for doing this really.



NP buddy just for them downplayers. Took me a around 2 hours a bit more but it was worth it. Besides calculating OP is similar to calculating DB stuff. hey if you want me to calc anything else just let me know.

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Yea bud you are right I will Change my sig back ^^ Ty for the calc rly awesome work. You are smart as fuck really.



Thanks man. But I’m just an average uni guy. Can’t wait for the Roger and WB flashbacks. Probably in another 100 chapters haha.


haha yea maybe. Btw since Luffy has shown 2 mhs feats and sanji has 1 now as well. We could assume that the current M3 are in between mhs and tripple Digits ? They are not even top tiers yet. Let alone the “god tiers” of OP.



Yes it is safe to put them at mach 50-mach 80 but their initial acceleration (reactions) are at mach 150+. Tbh there may be no such thing as “nigh-god” or “god” tiers in OP as in human/fishman characters. Perhaps the ancient secret weapons.


With god tiers in OP I mean guys like roger who are just above any top Tier.



I thought that the likes of Lucci and PS SH would be mid tiers while current VA, SH and such are high tiers while Admirals and Yonkos are top tiers Prime Yonkos would be in the highest ranks of top tier obviously. I know we are not supposed to mention other series PandaG but bare with me here. Take Bleach for example; Senior captains are top tiers while CC are nigh-god. The gap between CC and a Senior Cap’n is immense. 2 times or more. Can we really say that in OP for example that Shanks can take out both Akainu and Aokoji for example? Hard to say since Yonkos and Admirals seem to be close. Won’t know for a while though.


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Strawberry Yogurt wrote:

Redx wrote:

Strawberry Yogurt wrote:

Redx wrote: Some of those like Luffy and Blueno clashing is a sonicboom the rest are attack tropes to indicate the impact of an attack.

Luffy produces sonicbooms whenever he does a jet pistol.

When someone uses Geppou or when Sanji uses Skywalk what is being produced are by definition sonicbooms.



No they aren’t straight

It looks like you’re purposely denying this.

Read the rest of my post. I’m not denying anything.

You don’t understand the difference between the tropes used for basic attacks and the shockwaves produced by geppou.



What was stated in the manga-Geppo allows them to jump on air

What a fan thinks- they’re moving at supersonic speeds

I think i’ll go with the manga.



What was stated by the manga doesn’t contradict what we say.

Geppou allows the user to jump on air. We both agree on this, correct? So now comes the question of how they jump on air, which is explained by Redx; they move at supersonic+ speeds to push themselves off the air.

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PeacefulChaos wrote:

Strawberry Yogurt wrote:

Redx wrote:

Strawberry Yogurt wrote:

Redx wrote: Some of those like Luffy and Blueno clashing is a sonicboom the rest are attack tropes to indicate the impact of an attack.

Luffy produces sonicbooms whenever he does a jet pistol.

When someone uses Geppou or when Sanji uses Skywalk what is being produced are by definition sonicbooms.



No they aren’t straight

It looks like you’re purposely denying this.

Read the rest of my post. I’m not denying anything.

You don’t understand the difference between the tropes used for basic attacks and the shockwaves produced by geppou.



What was stated in the manga-Geppo allows them to jump on air

What a fan thinks- they’re moving at supersonic speeds

I think i’ll go with the manga.



What was stated by the manga doesn’t contradict what we say.

Geppou allows the user to jump on air. We both agree on this, correct? So now comes the question of how they jump on air, which is explained by Redx; they move at supersonic+ speeds to push themselves off the air.

Yeah I just noticed that we basically agreed upon the same thing. They do kick the air to move around and I was simply explaining how.

I think he thought I was saying something else entirely.


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Redx wrote: Actually the strawhats may have already been MHS. After re-analyzing Skypeia their lightning feats are looking rather consistent imo. Nothing seems to be out of place. Well, except Usopp but you get my point.



Well technically MHS is considered to be anything mach 5 or higher so yes. Since PS SH I believe at best were mach 20. They have had what seems to be like a 100 fold increase in 2 years in overall power (the M3 that is).


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Does Toei reanimate the episodes for the DVD sets? I was wondering about this. I’ve seen some past scenes in AMV’s that looked as if they were reanimated.


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Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote: Actually the strawhats may have already been MHS. After re-analyzing Skypeia their lightning feats are looking rather consistent imo. Nothing seems to be out of place. Well, except Usopp but you get my point.



Well technically MHS is considered to be anything mach 5 or higher so yes. Since PS SH I believe at best were mach 20. They have had what seems to be like a 100 fold increase in 2 years in overall power (the M3 that is).

Mach 5 is hypersonic. Mach 50 is where massively hypersonic starts.


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Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote: Actually the strawhats may have already been MHS. After re-analyzing Skypeia their lightning feats are looking rather consistent imo. Nothing seems to be out of place. Well, except Usopp but you get my point.



Well technically MHS is considered to be anything mach 5 or higher so yes. Since PS SH I believe at best were mach 20. They have had what seems to be like a 100 fold increase in 2 years in overall power (the M3 that is).

Mach 5 is hypersonic. Mach 50 is where massively hypersonic starts.



Well I was going by what engineering texts say they consider hypersonic to be anything above mach 1 to mach 5 and “massively” anything above mach 5. But in fiction low mHS starts at mach 10. I know they have had some lucky instances were it puts them above possibly mach 20. But I am going by the most consistent and conservative estimates. Which puts PS SH so far at mach 20 and current at least mach 50 the M3 right now should be mach 80 at the very least.

I get what you are saying but being conservative always works out in the long run. Just like in the financial world. wink


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Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote: Actually the strawhats may have already been MHS. After re-analyzing Skypeia their lightning feats are looking rather consistent imo. Nothing seems to be out of place. Well, except Usopp but you get my point.



Well technically MHS is considered to be anything mach 5 or higher so yes. Since PS SH I believe at best were mach 20. They have had what seems to be like a 100 fold increase in 2 years in overall power (the M3 that is).

Mach 5 is hypersonic. Mach 50 is where massively hypersonic starts.


Well I was going by what engineering texts say they consider hypersonic to be anything above mach 1 to mach 5 and “massively” anything above mach 5. But in fiction low mHS starts at mach 10. I know they have had some lucky instances were it puts them above possibly mach 20. But I am going by the most consistent and conservative estimates. Which puts PS SH so far at mach 20 and current at least mach 50 the M3 right now should be mach 80 at the very least.

I get what you are saying but being conservative always works out in the long run. Just like in the financial world. wink

Here on forums we don’t say a character is MHS until they hit mach 50 or above....


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Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote: Actually the strawhats may have already been MHS. After re-analyzing Skypeia their lightning feats are looking rather consistent imo. Nothing seems to be out of place. Well, except Usopp but you get my point.



Well technically MHS is considered to be anything mach 5 or higher so yes. Since PS SH I believe at best were mach 20. They have had what seems to be like a 100 fold increase in 2 years in overall power (the M3 that is).

Mach 5 is hypersonic. Mach 50 is where massively hypersonic starts.


Well I was going by what engineering texts say they consider hypersonic to be anything above mach 1 to mach 5 and “massively” anything above mach 5. But in fiction low mHS starts at mach 10. I know they have had some lucky instances were it puts them above possibly mach 20. But I am going by the most consistent and conservative estimates. Which puts PS SH so far at mach 20 and current at least mach 50 the M3 right now should be mach 80 at the very least.

I get what you are saying but being conservative always works out in the long run. Just like in the financial world. wink

Here on forums we don’t say a character is MHS until they hit mach 50 or above....



All right fair enough then I guess PS SH were almost half way to MHS then it seems.


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Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote: @Tornado: I can’t believe you actually took the time to calc that...

Anyways the Monster trio were already MHS. I think everyone who has payed attention to their feats already knows this.



NP. Just wanted to disprove certain members behind guest names. The thing is I personally get the PS trio at best at about mach 20. Not the fact that Luffy has 2 feats of casual mach 28 and mach 88 while Sanji has a casual one of mach 150+ . The M3 going all out I can see them being mach 200 or more. So basically in strength wise they have gotten what seems like almost 100 times stronger. Holy shit.

Roronoa GoGon wrote: Wow man you did something I could never do I guess. Awesome and ty for doing this really.



NP buddy just for them downplayers. Took me a around 2 hours a bit more but it was worth it. Besides calculating OP is similar to calculating DB stuff. hey if you want me to calc anything else just let me know.

Edit: Why did you remove your epic sig with something sub par dude?


Yea bud you are right I will Change my sig back ^^ Ty for the calc rly awesome work. You are smart as fuck really.



Thanks man. But I’m just an average uni guy. Can’t wait for the Roger and WB flashbacks. Probably in another 100 chapters haha.


haha yea maybe. Btw since Luffy has shown 2 mhs feats and sanji has 1 now as well. We could assume that the current M3 are in between mhs and tripple Digits ? They are not even top tiers yet. Let alone the “god tiers” of OP.



Yes it is safe to put them at mach 50-mach 80 but their initial acceleration (reactions) are at mach 150+. Tbh there may be no such thing as “nigh-god” or “god” tiers in OP as in human/fishman characters. Perhaps the ancient secret weapons.


With god tiers in OP I mean guys like roger who are just above any top Tier.



I thought that the likes of Lucci and PS SH would be mid tiers while current VA, SH and such are high tiers while Admirals and Yonkos are top tiers Prime Yonkos would be in the highest ranks of top tier obviously. I know we are not supposed to mention other series PandaG but bare with me here. Take Bleach for example; Senior captains are top tiers while CC are nigh-god. The gap between CC and a Senior Cap’n is immense. 2 times or more. Can we really say that in OP for example that Shanks can take out both Akainu and Aokoji for example? Hard to say since Yonkos and Admirals seem to be close. Won’t know for a while though.



Well Law and the M3 are all vice Admiral Level. Add the rest of the strawhats and the heart pirates. I think the strawhats together could take out one Admiral. Add the heart pirates and the Admiral gets busted. The combined Forces of the strawhats and heartpirates have at best a Chance of 30 % of beating kaido alone. A yonko is way above Admiral Level. The gap between high high Tier and low top Tier is huge. The gap between low top Tier and mid top Tier is huge as well. The high top tiers like some of the prime guys like chinjao, Zephyr and so on. The guys who are capable of soloing the current OPverse are god tiers. Gol D Roger, Prime WB, Prime Shiki, Prime Garp and the 3 ancient weapons.


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guys btw, pre skip zoro downplayed Speed was mach 9 blueno blitzed zoro so he is mach 9 +

I wanted to calc Luffys gear 2 Jet Pistol Speed and his Motion Speed.

I use this feat here for the Jet Pistole:

http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-388-page-3.html

We see blueno moving to the side. I dont know how far he moved to the side but lets assume it was 1 meter, since we try to use the lowest possible values. The distance between luffy and blueno was around 5 meters. Bluenos Speed was at least mach 9 since we dont know how much faster he was than zoro so I will just use mach 9.

What we have :

Speed of Blueno = v = mach 9 = 3062,61 m/s
The distance blueno crossed = s = 1m
The distance between Luffy and Blueno = 5m


What we Need :

The time needed for blueno to travel 1 m = t
The Speed of Luffys Jet Pistole = v

t = s/v = 1m/3062,61m/s = 3,265188842x10^-4

v = s/t = 5/3,265188842x10^-4 = 15313,05 m/s = mach 45

Mach 45 for his Jet Pistole while downplaying.


Now I want his regular Motion Speed:

Using this Scene

http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-388-page-8.html

Distance between Luffy and Blueno less than a meter, since he was almost touching Luffy. So I’d say 0.5 meter. Luffy crossed around 3 meters in that time. Again I use the lowest possible values


t = s/v = 0.5m/3062,61m/s = 1,632594421x10^-4

v = s/t = 3m /1,632594421x10^-4 = 18375,66 m/s = mach 54


Yea even pre skip Luffy was in between mach 40 and 50


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Ganfall and Shura were fast as shit. Even chopper who could react to explosions back in alabasta can’t see them at all.


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Redx wrote: Ganfanll and Shura were fast as shit. Even chopper who could react to explosions back in alabasta can’t see them at all.


But oh wait redx. Luffy hasnt shown any double Digit hypersonic feat yet. Laughable. Just laughable. OP again shits on other Speed feats.


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btw redx . Blueno was mach 9 . Lucci is 5 times faster than blueno so mach 45 just like Luffy with gear 2. So it all makes sense.


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So yeah I went through skypeia and took a look at their lightning feats again and it all seems pretty consistent to me.

Ganfall and Pierre move faster than Enel’s judgement blast to save Luffy and Conis.
Note: Luffy reacted to the blast but couldn’t escape it’s range.



Zoro and Wiper Keep up with Ganfall and Pierre perfectly.



Zoro/Wiper/Ganfall etc avoid this lightning strike



Zoro reacts to this bolt of lightning but is unable to dodge it due to being in mid air.



Zoro manages to avoid another lightning strike.(Though this one is debatable)



Luffy kicks this lightning bolt.



Redx wrote: There is no need to ignore the feats if powerscaling would put them at that speed anyways. Luffy fought equally with Wiper and Luffy was also on par with Zoro around that time. Ganfall already has his feat. So I see no point in making excuses about the showings and trying to interpret them differently.


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Then of course theres Kalifa’s feat and her reacting to Nami’s lightning rather effortlessly even though she was caught by surprise.



Yet she is barely able to react to Sanji’s speed whenever he decided to get serious. She was able to react to lightning easily yet Sanji’s speed actually made her sweat. Sanji was able to deliver a “fake” kick to the face before she could even react. She even commented on his speed noting that he was ridiculously fast.



Oda is is quite clearly portraying them to be faster than lightning before the timeskip imo.

Redx wrote: Usopp is questionable because while he was shown to be able to dodge small blasts from Enel on the ship the feats are quite gag-ish in nature so it’s tough to take seriously. Even though it’s not particularly inconsistent. People will often judge certain characters by preconceived notions of what they think a “speedster” is or is supposed to be but if the character consistently shows it regardless of anyone’s opinion it should be accepted. However I’d rather not even count Usopp because it leads to too much controversy.


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Yea I know but even bringing up These feats means nothing to OP haters. I already know that they are able to react to lightning and to even move faster than lightning but they dont care. I mean they come up with stuff that sanji is faster underwater than on land or Sanji has lower strength than punching grown men through a wall. Bro maybe we should search a new site to debate. MVC is infested with OP haters atm.


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Roronoa GoGon wrote: Yea I know but even bringing up These feats means nothing to OP haters. I already know that they are able to react to lightning and to even move faster than lightning but they dont care. I mean they come up with stuff that sanji is faster underwater than on land or Sanji has lower strength than punching grown men through a wall. Bro maybe we should search a new site to debate. MVC is infested with OP haters atm.

Indeed. I plan on not posting here for a while. Theres just far too many tards.


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Roronoa GoGon wrote: Yea I know but even bringing up These feats means nothing to OP haters. I already know that they are able to react to lightning and to even move faster than lightning but they dont care. I mean they come up with stuff that sanji is faster underwater than on land or Sanji has lower strength than punching grown men through a wall. Bro maybe we should search a new site to debate.MVC is infested with OP haters atm.


That’s actually a great Idea.

I’ve been planning to do that for a while now

I’m finding a new site ASAP.


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