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Cookies wrote: Luffy should stretch out his arms more. It obviously deals more damage.I don’t understand why he doesn’t do so. I guess it’s because he’d get hit before he even gets to do anything? I remember Luffy fighting some dude (girl?) and what he did was he moved with Soru leaving his arms in the spot he moved from, appearing in front of his opponent then Bazookad the opponent. If Luffy can do that, all he needs to worry about is how far he can move from place to place.

Are you thinking about Luffy vs the Boa sisters?


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^I think so.


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Redx wrote:

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ILikecookies... wrote: Enies Lobby:
Did anyone not notice this? I jut bought volume 40 and when Nami shows off her new weapon, she says this.



What of it?

Ussop was able to change the speed of the lightning. Wasnt the baton from Alabasta already lightning speed?

The speed of lightning varies so it’s possible the lightning bolts got faster or she simply meant the activation speed of certain techniques the climatact possessed had gotten faster.

She had already created the cloud for the lightning. Then she states its faster.


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ILikecookies... wrote:

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ILikecookies... wrote:

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ILikecookies... wrote: Enies Lobby:
Did anyone not notice this? I jut bought volume 40 and when Nami shows off her new weapon, she says this.



What of it?

Ussop was able to change the speed of the lightning. Wasnt the baton from Alabasta already lightning speed?

The speed of lightning varies so it’s possible the lightning bolts got faster or she simply meant the activation speed of certain techniques the climatact possessed had gotten faster.

She had already created the cloud for the lightning. Then she states its faster.

Oh, well then I guess she might have been referring to the lightning. But it’s still possible she was referring to the speed at which she preforms the techniques. Either way, reacting to it’s lightning is still an impressive feat for Kalifa.


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^ How long did she take for her to create the lightning back in Alabasta?


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ILikecookies... wrote: ^ How long did she take for her to create the lightning back in Alabasta?

Well it took her a bit of time to form the cloud. From what I recall it took her approximately maybe a minute or 2 but thats just a rough estimation.


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^ I went back and looked at it and it didn’t seem like it took much time at all. Its on chapter 192. In Enies Lobby, the way she does it is a bit different. Instead of just cool ball and heat ball, she adds a ball of electricity which could presumably be lightning from a dial.

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ILikecookies... wrote: ^ I went back and looked at it and it didn’t seem like it took much time at all. Its on chapter 192. In Enies Lobby, the way she does it is a bit different. Instead of just cool ball and heat ball, she adds a ball of electricity which could presumably be lightning from a dial.

Looks like she was referring to the lightning then. Impressive.

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Also, is anyone else curious about this?

I think certain characters mastery of Busoshoku Haki allows them to generate and be immune to flames but they need a catalyst to get them started(depending on their lvl of skill). Kinda like how Marigold needs a lighter to set herself on fire here.



and how Sanji needed to spin to get the flames going pre TS.



Also, note how neither of them feel the heat from the flames yet anyone else gets burned from the contact.



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^ That all stems from this theory btw.


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yea redx it is obviously haki. I just noticed that sanji has many stuff related with the devil and hell and stuff.

I mean diable Jambe, Hell memories, he was literally in hell for 2 years(okama hell). Maybe oda pulls some crazy stuff eos out of his godly anus. Same for zoro and the demon related stuff. Sanji is the devil and zoro is a demon. ^^


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Roronoa GoGon wrote: yea redx it is obviously haki. I just noticed that sanji has many stuff related with the devil and hell and stuff.

I mean diable Jambe, Hell memories, he was literally in hell for 2 years(okama hell). Maybe oda pulls some crazy stuff eos out of his godly anus. Same for zoro and the demon related stuff. Sanji is the devil and zoro is a demon. ^^

Yeah I started noticing KOL was right when I was reading through Enies Lobby and kep seeing all these Demon images behind Zoro that weren’t there previously during his attacks.

Theres also this statement made by Sanji



I think the ability/type of Haki they have depends on their personality somewhat.

And this statement by Zoro when he’s using Asura saying he prefers a path of carnage.



Wikipedia wrote: Asura reflects the mental state of a human being obsessed with force and violence, always looking for an excuse to get into a fight, angry with everyone and unable to maintain calm or solve problems peacefully.



So basically Busoshoku Haki can take on abilities that reflects the users spirit.


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Damn redx you probably figured out something big. That would probably mean armament haki has 3 sections :

Shield (shown by the admirals)
hardening limbs (vergo,luffy etc)
Manifestation of the users Soul (sanji is the devil, zoro is asura blabla)

just like Observation haki

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Roronoa GoGon wrote: Damn redx you probably figured out something big. That would probably mean armament haki has 3 sections :

Shield (shown by the admirals)
hardening limbs (vergo,luffy etc)
Manifestation of the users Soul (sanji is the devil, zoro is asura blabla)

just like Observation haki

inaninmate
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all creations.

Seems likely.

However Luffy, Vergo, Smoker and Zephyr’s Haki is probably referred to as “Black Armaments” or something.

Theres also Madam Shyarly’s ability to see the future which (as KOL already pointed out) maybe another form of “specified” Kenbunshoku Haki.


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Redx wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote: Damn redx you probably figured out something big. That would probably mean armament haki has 3 sections :

Shield (shown by the admirals)
hardening limbs (vergo,luffy etc)
Manifestation of the users Soul (sanji is the devil, zoro is asura blabla)

just like Observation haki

inaninmate
animate
all creations.

Seems likely.

However Luffy, Vergo, Smoker and Zephyr’s Haki is probably referred to as “Black Armaments” or something.

Theres also Madam Shyarly’s ability to see the future which (as KOL already pointed out) maybe another form of “specified” Kenbunshoku Haki.


but wasnt roger able to see the future as well ?


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Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Redx wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote: Damn redx you probably figured out something big. That would probably mean armament haki has 3 sections :

Shield (shown by the admirals)
hardening limbs (vergo,luffy etc)
Manifestation of the users Soul (sanji is the devil, zoro is asura blabla)

just like Observation haki

inaninmate
animate
all creations.

Seems likely.

However Luffy, Vergo, Smoker and Zephyr’s Haki is probably referred to as “Black Armaments” or something.

Theres also Madam Shyarly’s ability to see the future which (as KOL already pointed out) maybe another form of “specified” Kenbunshoku Haki.


but wasnt roger able to see the future as well ?

Maybe but his seemed to be on another level all together.

Being able to “hear the voice of all creation” sounds overpowered as shit.


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Oh shit... I thought Haki was just going to be a simple ability, but I guess not. Rayleigh did state you can do other stuff with it if you’re proficient enough when he explains it to Luffy. Sweet.


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ILikecookies... wrote: Oh shit... I thought Haki was just going to be a simple ability, but I guess not. Rayleigh did state you can do other stuff with it if you’re proficient enough when he explains it to Luffy. Sweet.

Did you watch the video I posted? Post #1,029


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Observation haki :

Animate stuff (living beings):
- know where they are
- how many of them are there
- the area to sense them varies
- hear and feel them
- predict the moves of animate stuff
- probably see the complete future about a certain being

Inanimate stuff (swords, Stones)
- hear and feel the presence of every object
- know the future Events about the objects (know where falling rocks land)
- area to sense stuff varies

Of all creations

basically section 1 and 2 combined while everything is mastered.

- planetary range or more to sense inanimate and animate stuff
- hear everything (objects and living beings)
- see the complete future of everything


Zoro and Rayleigh have shown the second section of Observation haki.
Zoro when he predicted where his sword was and he knows where the rocks would land.
Rayleigh when he threw the explosive collar away before it detonated.

Yea thats how I think about haki


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ILikecookies... wrote:

Redx wrote:

ILikecookies... wrote:

PeacefulChaos wrote:

ILikecookies... wrote: Enies Lobby:
Did anyone not notice this? I jut bought volume 40 and when Nami shows off her new weapon, she says this.



What of it?

Ussop was able to change the speed of the lightning. Wasnt the baton from Alabasta already lightning speed?

The speed of lightning varies so it’s possible the lightning bolts got faster or she simply meant the activation speed of certain techniques the climatact possessed had gotten faster.

She had already created the cloud for the lightning. Then she states its faster.



This simply suggests that she may have been referring to the set-up of the cloud. I read the discussion you had with Redx, but I still hold this opinion. You stated it didn’t take much time in Alabasta, yet it took her approximately 5 pages or so to simply set her cloud up.

What chapter specifically are you referring to in volume 40 when Nami states her weapon has improved? Is this during the Enies Lobby arc? If so, then that simply shows that she was referring to the set up time of the climatact and not the actual lightning speed itself.

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PeacefulChaos wrote:

ILikecookies... wrote:

Redx wrote:

ILikecookies... wrote:

PeacefulChaos wrote:

ILikecookies... wrote: Enies Lobby:
Did anyone not notice this? I jut bought volume 40 and when Nami shows off her new weapon, she says this.



What of it?

Ussop was able to change the speed of the lightning. Wasnt the baton from Alabasta already lightning speed?

The speed of lightning varies so it’s possible the lightning bolts got faster or she simply meant the activation speed of certain techniques the climatact possessed had gotten faster.

She had already created the cloud for the lightning. Then she states its faster.



This simply suggests that she may have been referring to the set-up of the cloud. I read the discussion you had with Redx, but I still hold this opinion. You stated it didn’t take much time in Alabasta, yet it took her approximately 5 pages or so to simply set her cloud up.

What chapter specifically are you referring to in volume 40 when Nami states her weapon has improved? Is this during the Enies Lobby arc? If so, then that simply shows that she was referring to the set up time of the climatact and not the actual lightning speed itself.

RedX said Nami could have just been saying the speed of the cloud forming because he thought it took two minutes. And no. It did not take 5 pages. She does her cool and heat ball thing then the girl attacks her and she loses sight of it. In the next oage she noticed it was complete. The speed to form the cloud wasn’t that long. Nami then proceeds to add more of the cool and heat ball to make it bigger then she fries the girl. In EL, she says her Climatact has gotten faster and bigger. She also adds electricity to it now unlike before. I don’t think Nami added electricity before did she?


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