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ILikecookies... wrote: Kuma’s ability can teleport himself which I don’t really get. His power is to reflect. I don’t get how teleportation can be a part of the ability.



It’s not really teleportation, but he moves so fast it might as well be teleportation.

He reflects himself off of the ground or air and uses that momentum to get wherever he wants. He moves so fast many people mistake it for warping.

I’ve noticed a lot of One Piece’s speed feats are akin to warping. Oda doesn’t portray speed in the same conventional manner as the usual shounen battle manga would. Streak lines, disappearing from sight, afterimages etc. Oda rarely uses these things to make a character look fast. He will usually have them appear out of absolutely nowhere with no “speed marks” whatsoever as if they literally warped or something. So most people end up thinking that they’re slow due to expecting speed showings that look like DBZ/YYH type shit.



I can’t say too much about that, since the anime probably portrays some things differently than from the manga did. Overall, though, that seems to be the case when there is an incredibly fast character.

And I just now found out about the SBS ... wow xD.

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ILikecookies... wrote: Kuma’s ability can teleport himself which I don’t really get. His power is to reflect. I don’t get how teleportation can be a part of the ability.



It’s not really teleportation, but he moves so fast it might as well be teleportation.

He reflects himself off of the ground or air and uses that momentum to get wherever he wants. He moves so fast many people mistake it for warping.

I’ve noticed a lot of One Piece’s speed feats are akin to warping. Oda doesn’t portray speed in the same conventional manner as the usual shounen battle manga would. Streak lines, disappearing from sight, afterimages etc. Oda rarely uses these things to make a character look fast. He will usually have them appear out of absolutely nowhere with no “speed marks” whatsoever as if they literally warped or something. So most people end up thinking that they’re slow due to expecting speed showings that look like DBZ/YYH type shit.



I can’t say too much about that, since the anime probably portrays some things differently than from the manga did. Overall, though, that seems to be the case when there is an incredibly fast character.

And I just now found out about the SBS ... wow xD.

You’re certainly late to the party. lol.

This is the kind of thing I’m talking about.



There is no evidence of Jimbei’s movement prior to him intercepting Gear 2nd Luffy yet somehow in the next panel he’s just....there. I think people not understanding how Oda shows off speed led them to believe the characters were slow when in fact a lot of them even the really fat/large ones, are extremely fast.


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Redx wrote:

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ILikecookies... wrote: Kuma’s ability can teleport himself which I don’t really get. His power is to reflect. I don’t get how teleportation can be a part of the ability.



It’s not really teleportation, but he moves so fast it might as well be teleportation.

He reflects himself off of the ground or air and uses that momentum to get wherever he wants. He moves so fast many people mistake it for warping.

I’ve noticed a lot of One Piece’s speed feats are akin to warping. Oda doesn’t portray speed in the same conventional manner as the usual shounen battle manga would. Streak lines, disappearing from sight, afterimages etc. Oda rarely uses these things to make a character look fast. He will usually have them appear out of absolutely nowhere with no “speed marks” whatsoever as if they literally warped or something. So most people end up thinking that they’re slow due to expecting speed showings that look like DBZ/YYH type shit.



I can’t say too much about that, since the anime probably portrays some things differently than from the manga did. Overall, though, that seems to be the case when there is an incredibly fast character.

And I just now found out about the SBS ... wow xD.

You’re certainly late to the party. lol.

This is the kind of thing I’m talking about.



There is no evidence of Jimbei’s movement prior to him intercepting Gear 2nd Luffy yet somehow in the next panel he’s just....there. I think people not understanding how Oda shows off speed led them to believe the characters were slow when in fact a lot of them even the really fat/large ones, are extremely fast.



Yup :P Which website do you go to read the SBS?

I see what you mean. That and Kuma seem to be the major ones, and sometimes with Luffy it happens, too (like when he dodged that explosion from the fat ball guy in Skypeia, or when he dodged the explosion by Casear).

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PeacefulChaos wrote:

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ILikecookies... wrote: Kuma’s ability can teleport himself which I don’t really get. His power is to reflect. I don’t get how teleportation can be a part of the ability.



It’s not really teleportation, but he moves so fast it might as well be teleportation.

He reflects himself off of the ground or air and uses that momentum to get wherever he wants. He moves so fast many people mistake it for warping.

I’ve noticed a lot of One Piece’s speed feats are akin to warping. Oda doesn’t portray speed in the same conventional manner as the usual shounen battle manga would. Streak lines, disappearing from sight, afterimages etc. Oda rarely uses these things to make a character look fast. He will usually have them appear out of absolutely nowhere with no “speed marks” whatsoever as if they literally warped or something. So most people end up thinking that they’re slow due to expecting speed showings that look like DBZ/YYH type shit.



I can’t say too much about that, since the anime probably portrays some things differently than from the manga did. Overall, though, that seems to be the case when there is an incredibly fast character.

And I just now found out about the SBS ... wow xD.

You’re certainly late to the party. lol.

This is the kind of thing I’m talking about.



There is no evidence of Jimbei’s movement prior to him intercepting Gear 2nd Luffy yet somehow in the next panel he’s just....there. I think people not understanding how Oda shows off speed led them to believe the characters were slow when in fact a lot of them even the really fat/large ones, are extremely fast.



Yup :P Which website do you go to read the SBS?

I see what you mean. That and Kuma seem to be the major ones, and sometimes with Luffy it happens, too (like when he dodged that explosion from the fat ball guy in Skypeia, or when he dodged the explosion by Casear).

There are also several moments like this during the war involving whitebeard or even the Admirals and also Shanks. And Kuzan as well when he appeared behind doflamingo at punk hazard.

There are other places but I usually just read them here.

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/SBS


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OP charas teleport. So they are all ftl.


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PeacefulChaos wrote:

ILikecookies... wrote: Kuma’s ability can teleport himself which I don’t really get. His power is to reflect. I don’t get how teleportation can be a part of the ability.



It’s not really teleportation, but he moves so fast it might as well be teleportation.

He reflects himself off of the ground or air and uses that momentum to get wherever he wants. He moves so fast many people mistake it for warping.

I just read the part where he shows up and it is instantaneous teleportation pointed out by Nami.

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ILikecookies... wrote:

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ILikecookies... wrote: Kuma’s ability can teleport himself which I don’t really get. His power is to reflect. I don’t get how teleportation can be a part of the ability.



It’s not really teleportation, but he moves so fast it might as well be teleportation.

He reflects himself off of the ground or air and uses that momentum to get wherever he wants. He moves so fast many people mistake it for warping.

I just read the part where he shows up and it is instantaneous teleportation pointed out by Nami.

She’s just guessing. She has no idea what his ability is or how it works. He explains later thats it’s just him reflecting/repelling himself at high speed.


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Redx wrote:

ILikecookies... wrote:

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ILikecookies... wrote: Kuma’s ability can teleport himself which I don’t really get. His power is to reflect. I don’t get how teleportation can be a part of the ability.



It’s not really teleportation, but he moves so fast it might as well be teleportation.

He reflects himself off of the ground or air and uses that momentum to get wherever he wants. He moves so fast many people mistake it for warping.

I just read the part where he shows up and it is instantaneous teleportation pointed out by Nami.

She’s just guessing. She has no idea what his ability is or how it works. He explains later thats it’s just him reflecting/repelling himself at high speed.

I can’t find the chapter where he says that.


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Yeah, Kuma never said anything about reflecting himself at high speeds, unless I’m just missing it. Wouldn’t Kuma need to touch himself if that were true considering his Paws are what does the reflecting and all that. Other than air, he’s also capable of reflecting flames.

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He stated his paws reflect at light speed against Zoro, IIRC. And since he uses his paws to reflect himself, it only makes sense that he’d move as fast as whatever else he’s reflected.


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PandaG wrote: He stated his paws reflect at light speed against Zoro, IIRC. And since he uses his paws to reflect himself, it only makes sense that he’d move as fast as whatever else he’s reflected.

Wouldn’t he have to touch himself?


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ILikecookies... wrote: Yeah, Kuma never said anything about reflecting himself at high speeds, unless I’m just missing it. Wouldn’t Kuma need to touch himself if that were true considering his Paws are what does the reflecting and all that. Other than air, he’s also capable of reflecting flames.





He doesn’t need to touch himself to reflect himself. I know what he’s capable of you don’t have to tell me anything. He’s also capable of repelling abstract concepts like fatigue and pain.


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ILikecookies... wrote:

PandaG wrote: He stated his paws reflect at light speed against Zoro, IIRC. And since he uses his paws to reflect himself, it only makes sense that he’d move as fast as whatever else he’s reflected.

Wouldn’t he have to touch himself?



No, not really.

He can just reflect himself off the air or the ground if he wants.

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^ I should have been clearer. Isn’t it because of Kuma’s paws that he can reflect things? That’s why I pointed out he’d have to touch himself to reflect himself.


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I was skimming through Enies Lobby and I noticed that Kaku’s feat and by extension Zoro’s Asura was a lot more impressive than I remembered.

The island of Enies Lobby



The size of the Judicial Tower was almost 1/4 of the island.



Here it is from another angle



Kaku slices it in half with Rankyaku “Amane Dachi”



The aftermath



And Zoro’s Asura was able to completely disperse the shockwave with one no name swing of his arms.

Pre TS Enies Lobby Zoro’s Asura attack potency was definitely at least casual multi city block+/ large sky scraper+

Especially considering that Zoro & Kaku’s base strength be above Alabasta Luffy by quite a bit.


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ILikecookies... wrote: ^ I should have been clearer. Isn’t it because of Kuma’s paws that he can reflect things? That’s why I pointed out he’d have to touch himself to reflect himself.



Yes, Kuma’s paws let him reflect things.

But, like I just said, he can reflect himself off of air or the ground or any object, really. He doesn’t have to touch himself with his paws.

It’s kind of like pushing yourself off a wall or something to move in a certain direction. You never have to touch yourself. Even if you did, I don’t see how it would change anything.

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PeacefulChaos wrote:

ILikecookies... wrote:

PandaG wrote: He stated his paws reflect at light speed against Zoro, IIRC. And since he uses his paws to reflect himself, it only makes sense that he’d move as fast as whatever else he’s reflected.

Wouldn’t he have to touch himself?



No, not really.

He can just reflect himself off the air or the ground if he wants.

Well, I’m not sure because Nami points it out again. And Kuma has to take off his gloves first to reflect things, but we’ve seen him teleport with his gloves on.

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ILikecookies... wrote: ^ I should have been clearer. Isn’t it because of Kuma’s paws that he can reflect things? That’s why I pointed out he’d have to touch himself to reflect himself.

No, that clearly isn’t the case considering he’s able to move at such speeds without touching himself at all. His paws are probably only required to repel external objects other than himself.


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PandaG wrote: He stated his paws reflect at light speed against Zoro, IIRC. And since he uses his paws to reflect himself, it only makes sense that he’d move as fast as whatever else he’s reflected.

I dont think he can reflect people at LS because It took 3 days and 3 nights to get from Saobondy to their destination. Since light can travel around the Earth about 8 times in a second, the Planet would be extremely huge.


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ILikecookies... wrote:

PandaG wrote: He stated his paws reflect at light speed against Zoro, IIRC. And since he uses his paws to reflect himself, it only makes sense that he’d move as fast as whatever else he’s reflected.

I dont think he can reflect people at LS because It took 3 days and 3 nights to get from Saobondy to their destination. Since light can travel around the Earth about 8 times in a second, the Planet would be extremely huge.

Well the planet is huge but it’s also possible that they drastically slow down immediately after he sends them flying. Then again we won’t know for sure until Oda explains it.


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