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Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote: nah I mean I still think he is mach 100+ EoS not continent Speed haha BWAKA xD



I know that was funny Mach100+ agree and sub relativistic reactions. But LS Luffy (in any form) would make Kizaru’s power almost completely pointless. Just saiyaning.



Well otherwise I dont see anyone winning against kizaru. Pre cog is needed so you dont Need to be as fast as him but youll Need to react to him at least.



But the thing is Kizaru can’t fight at LS his combat speed should be the greatest but with sub-rev. reactions + precog Luffy should be able to fight him. And besides its not like speed is everything someone slower can win from a faster opponent. Similarly just how a weaker person can win form a stronger person. Strength/speed aren’t everything.


but if no one will every reach Kizarus Speed then all the fights are like a tortoise vs a Lion. If your Opponent is massively faster you simply have no Chance.



I think Kizaru at most will only be able to fight at a certain percentage of Light lets say 10% (for ease). Now Lets say EoS Luffy can fight at 5% LS and his precog allows him to REACT to attacks at least twice as fast as him. Do you see were I am coming from here? But if Kizaru can fight at anywhere near LS then that would be pulling a Kubo by Oda.

Not really, it would still be consistent.



How so? Since if he can fight even at 50% LS for long periods of time would really bring in to question wth haven’t the marines used this kind of hax power way more often. I personally think Kizaru going at LS puts strain even on him. That’s why we haven’t seen him use anything like it yet.

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

PandaG wrote: ^





Haha so awesome. Pandamans Name was on the poneglyph in arabasta. He might Play a very important role.



Seriously when/where? Could you post the scan again please? I think I missed that one.


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Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote: nah I mean I still think he is mach 100+ EoS not continent Speed haha BWAKA xD



I know that was funny Mach100+ agree and sub relativistic reactions. But LS Luffy (in any form) would make Kizaru’s power almost completely pointless. Just saiyaning.



Well otherwise I dont see anyone winning against kizaru. Pre cog is needed so you dont Need to be as fast as him but youll Need to react to him at least.



But the thing is Kizaru can’t fight at LS his combat speed should be the greatest but with sub-rev. reactions + precog Luffy should be able to fight him. And besides its not like speed is everything someone slower can win from a faster opponent. Similarly just how a weaker person can win form a stronger person. Strength/speed aren’t everything.


but if no one will every reach Kizarus Speed then all the fights are like a tortoise vs a Lion. If your Opponent is massively faster you simply have no Chance.



I think Kizaru at most will only be able to fight at a certain percentage of Light lets say 10% (for ease). Now Lets say EoS Luffy can fight at 5% LS and his precog allows him to REACT to attacks at least twice as fast as him. Do you see were I am coming from here? But if Kizaru can fight at anywhere near LS then that would be pulling a Kubo by Oda.

Not really, it would still be consistent.



How so? Since if he can fight even at 50% LS for long periods of time would really bring in to question wth haven’t the marines used this kind of hax power way more often. I personally think Kizaru going at LS puts strain even on him. That’s why we haven’t seen him use anything like it yet.

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

PandaG wrote: ^





Haha so awesome. Pandamans Name was on the poneglyph in arabasta. He might Play a very important role.



Seriously when/where? Could you post the scan again please? I think I missed that one.


It was on a poneglyph in japanese and a fan figured it out and asked oda in a sbs and oda confirmed that .


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The original :

Pandaman’s appearances are not limited to his actual appearance but also include his name as well. In the first panel in page 144 of Volume 22, on the Alabasta Poneglyph, his name can be seen written in Japanese. This writing on the Poneglyph was noted by a fan and confirmed by Oda


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Roronoa GoGon wrote: The original :

Pandaman’s appearances are not limited to his actual appearance but also include his name as well. In the first panel in page 144 of Volume 22, on the Alabasta Poneglyph, his name can be seen written in Japanese. This writing on the Poneglyph was noted by a fan and confirmed by Oda



So is this Pandaman supposed to be Oda in his own work or something?


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Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote: The original :

Pandaman’s appearances are not limited to his actual appearance but also include his name as well. In the first panel in page 144 of Volume 22, on the Alabasta Poneglyph, his name can be seen written in Japanese. This writing on the Poneglyph was noted by a fan and confirmed by Oda



So is this Pandaman supposed to be Oda in his own work or something?


Dunno rly. It could still be just a gag chara but if he was mentioned on one of the poneglyphs it should be serious.


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Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote: The original :

Pandaman’s appearances are not limited to his actual appearance but also include his name as well. In the first panel in page 144 of Volume 22, on the Alabasta Poneglyph, his name can be seen written in Japanese. This writing on the Poneglyph was noted by a fan and confirmed by Oda



So is this Pandaman supposed to be Oda in his own work or something?


Dunno rly. It could still be just a gag chara but if he was mentioned on one of the poneglyphs it should be serious.



Perhaps the one who created the DF perhaps? Or discovered Haki?


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I thought that Pandaman was just a gag character? He sometimes appears in fillers :P

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PeacefulChaos wrote: I thought that Pandaman was just a gag character? He sometimes appears in fillers :P



Pandaman is God.


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Padaman is probably 800 years old he lived in the void century


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Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote: nah I mean I still think he is mach 100+ EoS not continent Speed haha BWAKA xD



I know that was funny Mach100+ agree and sub relativistic reactions. But LS Luffy (in any form) would make Kizaru’s power almost completely pointless. Just saiyaning.



Well otherwise I dont see anyone winning against kizaru. Pre cog is needed so you dont Need to be as fast as him but youll Need to react to him at least.



But the thing is Kizaru can’t fight at LS his combat speed should be the greatest but with sub-rev. reactions + precog Luffy should be able to fight him. And besides its not like speed is everything someone slower can win from a faster opponent. Similarly just how a weaker person can win form a stronger person. Strength/speed aren’t everything.


but if no one will every reach Kizarus Speed then all the fights are like a tortoise vs a Lion. If your Opponent is massively faster you simply have no Chance.



I think Kizaru at most will only be able to fight at a certain percentage of Light lets say 10% (for ease). Now Lets say EoS Luffy can fight at 5% LS and his precog allows him to REACT to attacks at least twice as fast as him. Do you see were I am coming from here? But if Kizaru can fight at anywhere near LS then that would be pulling a Kubo by Oda.

Not really, it would still be consistent.



How so? Since if he can fight even at 50% LS for long periods of time would really bring in to question wth haven’t the marines used this kind of hax power way more often. I personally think Kizaru going at LS puts strain even on him. That’s why we haven’t seen him use anything like it yet.

There are a lot of false premises here.

-Why do you assume we haven’t seen him travel at lightspeed on panel when he does so whenever he becomes light?

-Why do you assume that the marines aren’t utilizing his ability when Vegapunk is clearly reproducing his attacks to use in pacifistas and possibly other weaponry.

-Why would going at LS put strain on him? Logias haven’t been shown to require much effort when utilizing their abilities.

Also you could look at PandaG’s userpage for info on pandaman.


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Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote: nah I mean I still think he is mach 100+ EoS not continent Speed haha BWAKA xD



I know that was funny Mach100+ agree and sub relativistic reactions. But LS Luffy (in any form) would make Kizaru’s power almost completely pointless. Just saiyaning.



Well otherwise I dont see anyone winning against kizaru. Pre cog is needed so you dont Need to be as fast as him but youll Need to react to him at least.



But the thing is Kizaru can’t fight at LS his combat speed should be the greatest but with sub-rev. reactions + precog Luffy should be able to fight him. And besides its not like speed is everything someone slower can win from a faster opponent. Similarly just how a weaker person can win form a stronger person. Strength/speed aren’t everything.


but if no one will every reach Kizarus Speed then all the fights are like a tortoise vs a Lion. If your Opponent is massively faster you simply have no Chance.



I think Kizaru at most will only be able to fight at a certain percentage of Light lets say 10% (for ease). Now Lets say EoS Luffy can fight at 5% LS and his precog allows him to REACT to attacks at least twice as fast as him. Do you see were I am coming from here? But if Kizaru can fight at anywhere near LS then that would be pulling a Kubo by Oda.

Not really, it would still be consistent.



How so? Since if he can fight even at 50% LS for long periods of time would really bring in to question wth haven’t the marines used this kind of hax power way more often. I personally think Kizaru going at LS puts strain even on him. That’s why we haven’t seen him use anything like it yet.

There are a lot of false premises here.

-1)Why do you assume we haven’t seen him travel at lightspeed on panel when he does so whenever he becomes light?

-2)Why do you assume that the marines aren’t utilizing his ability when Vegapunk is clearly reproducing his attacks to use in pacifistas and possibly other weaponry.

-3)Why would going at LS put strain on him? Logias haven’t been shown to require much effort when utilizing their abilities.

4) Also you could look at PandaG’s userpage for info on pandaman.



1) Cause if he did it would have been super obvious. I am being simply honest about. Like I have said before I have no doubts he can do it but simply has not been given the opportunity to show it yet.
2)I already know that when did I neglect that issue?
3) That is my assumption since if it didn’t why hasn’t he been running amok with it? Unless if it is PIS.
4) Thanks.

Edit: And those are pretty much points except the first one dealing with my premise of Kizaru.


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PandaG wrote:

PeacefulChaos wrote: I thought that Pandaman was just a gag character? He sometimes appears in fillers :P



Pandaman is God.



I was going to say no, but then ...



That’s you in real life, isn’t it.

Edited 05-10-2013 08:57 PM by PeacefulChaos
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Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote: nah I mean I still think he is mach 100+ EoS not continent Speed haha BWAKA xD



I know that was funny Mach100+ agree and sub relativistic reactions. But LS Luffy (in any form) would make Kizaru’s power almost completely pointless. Just saiyaning.



Well otherwise I dont see anyone winning against kizaru. Pre cog is needed so you dont Need to be as fast as him but youll Need to react to him at least.



But the thing is Kizaru can’t fight at LS his combat speed should be the greatest but with sub-rev. reactions + precog Luffy should be able to fight him. And besides its not like speed is everything someone slower can win from a faster opponent. Similarly just how a weaker person can win form a stronger person. Strength/speed aren’t everything.


but if no one will every reach Kizarus Speed then all the fights are like a tortoise vs a Lion. If your Opponent is massively faster you simply have no Chance.



I think Kizaru at most will only be able to fight at a certain percentage of Light lets say 10% (for ease). Now Lets say EoS Luffy can fight at 5% LS and his precog allows him to REACT to attacks at least twice as fast as him. Do you see were I am coming from here? But if Kizaru can fight at anywhere near LS then that would be pulling a Kubo by Oda.

Not really, it would still be consistent.



How so? Since if he can fight even at 50% LS for long periods of time would really bring in to question wth haven’t the marines used this kind of hax power way more often. I personally think Kizaru going at LS puts strain even on him. That’s why we haven’t seen him use anything like it yet.

There are a lot of false premises here.

-Why do you assume we haven’t seen him travel at lightspeed on panel when he does so whenever he becomes light?

-Why do you assume that the marines aren’t utilizing his ability when Vegapunk is clearly reproducing his attacks to use in pacifistas and possibly other weaponry.

-Why would going at LS put strain on him? Logias haven’t been shown to require much effort when utilizing their abilities.

Also you could look at PandaG’s userpage for info on pandaman.



Yeah I’ve already looked at his page, but I thought he was just a funny gag character.

I never thought he’d be relevant to the actual plot as a whole or be a main character in OP.

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Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote: nah I mean I still think he is mach 100+ EoS not continent Speed haha BWAKA xD



I know that was funny Mach100+ agree and sub relativistic reactions. But LS Luffy (in any form) would make Kizaru’s power almost completely pointless. Just saiyaning.



Well otherwise I dont see anyone winning against kizaru. Pre cog is needed so you dont Need to be as fast as him but youll Need to react to him at least.



But the thing is Kizaru can’t fight at LS his combat speed should be the greatest but with sub-rev. reactions + precog Luffy should be able to fight him. And besides its not like speed is everything someone slower can win from a faster opponent. Similarly just how a weaker person can win form a stronger person. Strength/speed aren’t everything.


but if no one will every reach Kizarus Speed then all the fights are like a tortoise vs a Lion. If your Opponent is massively faster you simply have no Chance.



I think Kizaru at most will only be able to fight at a certain percentage of Light lets say 10% (for ease). Now Lets say EoS Luffy can fight at 5% LS and his precog allows him to REACT to attacks at least twice as fast as him. Do you see were I am coming from here? But if Kizaru can fight at anywhere near LS then that would be pulling a Kubo by Oda.

Not really, it would still be consistent.



How so? Since if he can fight even at 50% LS for long periods of time would really bring in to question wth haven’t the marines used this kind of hax power way more often. I personally think Kizaru going at LS puts strain even on him. That’s why we haven’t seen him use anything like it yet.

There are a lot of false premises here.

-1)Why do you assume we haven’t seen him travel at lightspeed on panel when he does so whenever he becomes light?

-2)Why do you assume that the marines aren’t utilizing his ability when Vegapunk is clearly reproducing his attacks to use in pacifistas and possibly other weaponry.

-3)Why would going at LS put strain on him? Logias haven’t been shown to require much effort when utilizing their abilities.

4) Also you could look at PandaG’s userpage for info on pandaman.



1) Cause if he did it would have been super obvious. I am being simply honest about. Like I have said before I have no doubts he can do it but simply has not been given the opportunity to show it yet.
2)I already know that when did I neglect that issue?
3) That is my assumption since if it didn’t why hasn’t he been running amok with it? Unless if it is PIS.
4) Thanks.

Edit: And those are pretty much points except the first one dealing with my premise of Kizaru.

What on earth are you talking about? Whenever he moves around as light he’s moving at lightspeed? Why do you keep pretending like this doesn’t happen?

Redx wrote: You mean Yata no Kagami?

He’s moved around as light without it quite easily.



Why do people keep ignoring the fact that he doesn’t need to yata no kagami to move around as light?

He’s a logia. They can become and move around as their element at will.



Explanation for the scene with Apoo.

Redx wrote: Yata no kagami is a light path that simply shines upon his opponent until kizaru decides to travel through it.

All Apoo saw was the light from the path. Kizaru had not traveled through it yet.

By the time Kizaru did travel through the path at lightspeed he was already on top of Apoo before the latter could do anything.


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PeacefulChaos wrote:

Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote: nah I mean I still think he is mach 100+ EoS not continent Speed haha BWAKA xD



I know that was funny Mach100+ agree and sub relativistic reactions. But LS Luffy (in any form) would make Kizaru’s power almost completely pointless. Just saiyaning.



Well otherwise I dont see anyone winning against kizaru. Pre cog is needed so you dont Need to be as fast as him but youll Need to react to him at least.



But the thing is Kizaru can’t fight at LS his combat speed should be the greatest but with sub-rev. reactions + precog Luffy should be able to fight him. And besides its not like speed is everything someone slower can win from a faster opponent. Similarly just how a weaker person can win form a stronger person. Strength/speed aren’t everything.


but if no one will every reach Kizarus Speed then all the fights are like a tortoise vs a Lion. If your Opponent is massively faster you simply have no Chance.



I think Kizaru at most will only be able to fight at a certain percentage of Light lets say 10% (for ease). Now Lets say EoS Luffy can fight at 5% LS and his precog allows him to REACT to attacks at least twice as fast as him. Do you see were I am coming from here? But if Kizaru can fight at anywhere near LS then that would be pulling a Kubo by Oda.

Not really, it would still be consistent.



How so? Since if he can fight even at 50% LS for long periods of time would really bring in to question wth haven’t the marines used this kind of hax power way more often. I personally think Kizaru going at LS puts strain even on him. That’s why we haven’t seen him use anything like it yet.

There are a lot of false premises here.

-Why do you assume we haven’t seen him travel at lightspeed on panel when he does so whenever he becomes light?

-Why do you assume that the marines aren’t utilizing his ability when Vegapunk is clearly reproducing his attacks to use in pacifistas and possibly other weaponry.

-Why would going at LS put strain on him? Logias haven’t been shown to require much effort when utilizing their abilities.

Also you could look at PandaG’s userpage for info on pandaman.



Yeah I’ve already looked at his page, but I thought he was just a funny gag character.

I never thought he’d be relevant to the actual plot as a whole or be a main character in OP.

He might or he might not be we really don’t know for sure at this point.


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Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote: nah I mean I still think he is mach 100+ EoS not continent Speed haha BWAKA xD



I know that was funny Mach100+ agree and sub relativistic reactions. But LS Luffy (in any form) would make Kizaru’s power almost completely pointless. Just saiyaning.



Well otherwise I dont see anyone winning against kizaru. Pre cog is needed so you dont Need to be as fast as him but youll Need to react to him at least.



But the thing is Kizaru can’t fight at LS his combat speed should be the greatest but with sub-rev. reactions + precog Luffy should be able to fight him. And besides its not like speed is everything someone slower can win from a faster opponent. Similarly just how a weaker person can win form a stronger person. Strength/speed aren’t everything.


but if no one will every reach Kizarus Speed then all the fights are like a tortoise vs a Lion. If your Opponent is massively faster you simply have no Chance.



I think Kizaru at most will only be able to fight at a certain percentage of Light lets say 10% (for ease). Now Lets say EoS Luffy can fight at 5% LS and his precog allows him to REACT to attacks at least twice as fast as him. Do you see were I am coming from here? But if Kizaru can fight at anywhere near LS then that would be pulling a Kubo by Oda.

Not really, it would still be consistent.



How so? Since if he can fight even at 50% LS for long periods of time would really bring in to question wth haven’t the marines used this kind of hax power way more often. I personally think Kizaru going at LS puts strain even on him. That’s why we haven’t seen him use anything like it yet.

There are a lot of false premises here.

-1)Why do you assume we haven’t seen him travel at lightspeed on panel when he does so whenever he becomes light?

-2)Why do you assume that the marines aren’t utilizing his ability when Vegapunk is clearly reproducing his attacks to use in pacifistas and possibly other weaponry.

-3)Why would going at LS put strain on him? Logias haven’t been shown to require much effort when utilizing their abilities.

4) Also you could look at PandaG’s userpage for info on pandaman.



1) Cause if he did it would have been super obvious. I am being simply honest about. Like I have said before I have no doubts he can do it but simply has not been given the opportunity to show it yet.
2)I already know that when did I neglect that issue?
3) That is my assumption since if it didn’t why hasn’t he been running amok with it? Unless if it is PIS.
4) Thanks.

Edit: And those are pretty much points except the first one dealing with my premise of Kizaru.



1) What on earth are you talking about? Whenever he moves around as light he’s moving at lightspeed? Why do you keep pretending like this doesn’t happen?

Redx wrote: You mean Yata no Kagami?

He’s moved around as light without it quite easily.



Why do people keep ignoring the fact that he doesn’t need to yata no kagami to move around as light?

He’s a logia. They can become and move around as their element at will.



I am not pretending like it doesn’t happen. Then there is another issue with it. IF what your saying is true than that means he can only do it when he is travelling with points A to B. Which to me seems to make less sense since this is OP he should be able to do more with it. Personally I thought in that panel he was going relativistic. Perhaps its best to actually wait for him to get an opportunity to go all out before we both discuss about this.


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Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote: nah I mean I still think he is mach 100+ EoS not continent Speed haha BWAKA xD



I know that was funny Mach100+ agree and sub relativistic reactions. But LS Luffy (in any form) would make Kizaru’s power almost completely pointless. Just saiyaning.



Well otherwise I dont see anyone winning against kizaru. Pre cog is needed so you dont Need to be as fast as him but youll Need to react to him at least.



But the thing is Kizaru can’t fight at LS his combat speed should be the greatest but with sub-rev. reactions + precog Luffy should be able to fight him. And besides its not like speed is everything someone slower can win from a faster opponent. Similarly just how a weaker person can win form a stronger person. Strength/speed aren’t everything.


but if no one will every reach Kizarus Speed then all the fights are like a tortoise vs a Lion. If your Opponent is massively faster you simply have no Chance.



I think Kizaru at most will only be able to fight at a certain percentage of Light lets say 10% (for ease). Now Lets say EoS Luffy can fight at 5% LS and his precog allows him to REACT to attacks at least twice as fast as him. Do you see were I am coming from here? But if Kizaru can fight at anywhere near LS then that would be pulling a Kubo by Oda.

Not really, it would still be consistent.



How so? Since if he can fight even at 50% LS for long periods of time would really bring in to question wth haven’t the marines used this kind of hax power way more often. I personally think Kizaru going at LS puts strain even on him. That’s why we haven’t seen him use anything like it yet.

There are a lot of false premises here.

-1)Why do you assume we haven’t seen him travel at lightspeed on panel when he does so whenever he becomes light?

-2)Why do you assume that the marines aren’t utilizing his ability when Vegapunk is clearly reproducing his attacks to use in pacifistas and possibly other weaponry.

-3)Why would going at LS put strain on him? Logias haven’t been shown to require much effort when utilizing their abilities.

4) Also you could look at PandaG’s userpage for info on pandaman.



1) Cause if he did it would have been super obvious. I am being simply honest about. Like I have said before I have no doubts he can do it but simply has not been given the opportunity to show it yet.
2)I already know that when did I neglect that issue?
3) That is my assumption since if it didn’t why hasn’t he been running amok with it? Unless if it is PIS.
4) Thanks.

Edit: And those are pretty much points except the first one dealing with my premise of Kizaru.



1) What on earth are you talking about? Whenever he moves around as light he’s moving at lightspeed? Why do you keep pretending like this doesn’t happen?

Redx wrote: You mean Yata no Kagami?

He’s moved around as light without it quite easily.



Why do people keep ignoring the fact that he doesn’t need to yata no kagami to move around as light?

He’s a logia. They can become and move around as their element at will.



I am not pretending like it doesn’t happen. Then there is another issue with it. IF what your saying is true than that means he can only do it when he is travelling with points A to B. Which to me seems to make less sense since this is OP he should be able to do more with it. Personally I thought in that panel he was going relativistic. Perhaps its best to actually wait for him to get an opportunity to go all out before we both discuss about this.


I dont know what oda is hiding in his world but I think that there are beings in the new world who would put an end to an admirals life if he is not careful . Kizaru cant go wild cuz he would get killed by way stronger guys.


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Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote: nah I mean I still think he is mach 100+ EoS not continent Speed haha BWAKA xD



I know that was funny Mach100+ agree and sub relativistic reactions. But LS Luffy (in any form) would make Kizaru’s power almost completely pointless. Just saiyaning.



Well otherwise I dont see anyone winning against kizaru. Pre cog is needed so you dont Need to be as fast as him but youll Need to react to him at least.



But the thing is Kizaru can’t fight at LS his combat speed should be the greatest but with sub-rev. reactions + precog Luffy should be able to fight him. And besides its not like speed is everything someone slower can win from a faster opponent. Similarly just how a weaker person can win form a stronger person. Strength/speed aren’t everything.


but if no one will every reach Kizarus Speed then all the fights are like a tortoise vs a Lion. If your Opponent is massively faster you simply have no Chance.



I think Kizaru at most will only be able to fight at a certain percentage of Light lets say 10% (for ease). Now Lets say EoS Luffy can fight at 5% LS and his precog allows him to REACT to attacks at least twice as fast as him. Do you see were I am coming from here? But if Kizaru can fight at anywhere near LS then that would be pulling a Kubo by Oda.

Not really, it would still be consistent.



How so? Since if he can fight even at 50% LS for long periods of time would really bring in to question wth haven’t the marines used this kind of hax power way more often. I personally think Kizaru going at LS puts strain even on him. That’s why we haven’t seen him use anything like it yet.

There are a lot of false premises here.

-1)Why do you assume we haven’t seen him travel at lightspeed on panel when he does so whenever he becomes light?

-2)Why do you assume that the marines aren’t utilizing his ability when Vegapunk is clearly reproducing his attacks to use in pacifistas and possibly other weaponry.

-3)Why would going at LS put strain on him? Logias haven’t been shown to require much effort when utilizing their abilities.

4) Also you could look at PandaG’s userpage for info on pandaman.



1) Cause if he did it would have been super obvious. I am being simply honest about. Like I have said before I have no doubts he can do it but simply has not been given the opportunity to show it yet.
2)I already know that when did I neglect that issue?
3) That is my assumption since if it didn’t why hasn’t he been running amok with it? Unless if it is PIS.
4) Thanks.

Edit: And those are pretty much points except the first one dealing with my premise of Kizaru.



1) What on earth are you talking about? Whenever he moves around as light he’s moving at lightspeed? Why do you keep pretending like this doesn’t happen?

Redx wrote: You mean Yata no Kagami?

He’s moved around as light without it quite easily.



Why do people keep ignoring the fact that he doesn’t need to yata no kagami to move around as light?

He’s a logia. They can become and move around as their element at will.



I am not pretending like it doesn’t happen. Then there is another issue with it. IF what your saying is true than that means he can only do it when he is travelling with points A to B. Which to me seems to make less sense since this is OP he should be able to do more with it. Personally I thought in that panel he was going relativistic. Perhaps its best to actually wait for him to get an opportunity to go all out before we both discuss about this.


I dont know what oda is hiding in his world but I think that there are beings in the new world who would put an end to an admirals life if he is not careful . Kizaru cant go wild cuz he would get killed by way stronger guys.



That maybe it. We don’t really know anything about the new world. Best to wait to continue this discussion after probably ch.800 or more. lol.


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I don’t understand your reasons, Tornado.


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Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote: nah I mean I still think he is mach 100+ EoS not continent Speed haha BWAKA xD



I know that was funny Mach100+ agree and sub relativistic reactions. But LS Luffy (in any form) would make Kizaru’s power almost completely pointless. Just saiyaning.



Well otherwise I dont see anyone winning against kizaru. Pre cog is needed so you dont Need to be as fast as him but youll Need to react to him at least.



But the thing is Kizaru can’t fight at LS his combat speed should be the greatest but with sub-rev. reactions + precog Luffy should be able to fight him. And besides its not like speed is everything someone slower can win from a faster opponent. Similarly just how a weaker person can win form a stronger person. Strength/speed aren’t everything.


but if no one will every reach Kizarus Speed then all the fights are like a tortoise vs a Lion. If your Opponent is massively faster you simply have no Chance.



I think Kizaru at most will only be able to fight at a certain percentage of Light lets say 10% (for ease). Now Lets say EoS Luffy can fight at 5% LS and his precog allows him to REACT to attacks at least twice as fast as him. Do you see were I am coming from here? But if Kizaru can fight at anywhere near LS then that would be pulling a Kubo by Oda.

Not really, it would still be consistent.



How so? Since if he can fight even at 50% LS for long periods of time would really bring in to question wth haven’t the marines used this kind of hax power way more often. I personally think Kizaru going at LS puts strain even on him. That’s why we haven’t seen him use anything like it yet.

There are a lot of false premises here.

-1)Why do you assume we haven’t seen him travel at lightspeed on panel when he does so whenever he becomes light?

-2)Why do you assume that the marines aren’t utilizing his ability when Vegapunk is clearly reproducing his attacks to use in pacifistas and possibly other weaponry.

-3)Why would going at LS put strain on him? Logias haven’t been shown to require much effort when utilizing their abilities.

4) Also you could look at PandaG’s userpage for info on pandaman.



1) Cause if he did it would have been super obvious. I am being simply honest about. Like I have said before I have no doubts he can do it but simply has not been given the opportunity to show it yet.
2)I already know that when did I neglect that issue?
3) That is my assumption since if it didn’t why hasn’t he been running amok with it? Unless if it is PIS.
4) Thanks.

Edit: And those are pretty much points except the first one dealing with my premise of Kizaru.



1) What on earth are you talking about? Whenever he moves around as light he’s moving at lightspeed? Why do you keep pretending like this doesn’t happen?

Redx wrote: You mean Yata no Kagami?

He’s moved around as light without it quite easily.



Why do people keep ignoring the fact that he doesn’t need to yata no kagami to move around as light?

He’s a logia. They can become and move around as their element at will.



I am not pretending like it doesn’t happen. Then there is another issue with it. IF what your saying is true than that means he can only do it when he is travelling with points A to B. Which to me seems to make less sense since this is OP he should be able to do more with it. Personally I thought in that panel he was going relativistic. Perhaps its best to actually wait for him to get an opportunity to go all out before we both discuss about this.

None of what you just said made any sense. Why would traveling as a beam of light mean that he was only moving at relativistic speeds?

Why would that mean he could only do it while traveling from point A to B? Isn’t that pretty much how all movement speed works? You move from one location to another really quickly? Besides light moves in a straight line but Kizaru has the yata mirror in which he uses to move at angles.

You’re right we shouldn’t be discussing this. There is very little know about Kizaru and what he can do because his abilities haven’t been explained yet.


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