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One Piece Vs Discussion Thread: Power, Strengths, Abilities etc.

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Redx wrote: But the thing I noticed is this, Since Kizaru is capable of concentrating his light so that when he fires a beam at lightspeed the force of that impact produces an explosion and if Kizaru converted himself to light when he was kicked to the ground, just how much force was behind Marco’s kick if he was capable of causing light to hit the ground hard enough to produce such an explosion?



The speed of light will be constant. So regardless of how hard Marco hit Kizaru, once Kizaru decided to turn into light (based on the anime portrayal), what really matters is how much Kizaru concentrated his own light.

I don’t know why Kizaru decided to turn into light. Oda probably did that because it looked cooler than Kizaru being sent flying into a wall in his physical form, since most villains in One Piece (and Shonen in general) have a large degree of composure (e.g. Mihawk, Aokiji, Doflamingo, Crocodile, Whitebeard) until they get beaten.

Basically, I don’t think it’s something we can look into very much or say about Marco’s fighting ability.

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PeacefulChaos wrote: The speed of light will be constant. So regardless of how hard Marco hit Kizaru, once Kizaru decided to turn into light (based on the anime portrayal), what really matters is how much Kizaru concentrated his own light.

I don’t know why Kizaru decided to turn into light. Oda probably did that because it looked cooler than Kizaru being sent flying into a wall in his physical form, since most villains in One Piece (and Shonen in general) have a large degree of composure (e.g. Mihawk, Aokiji, Doflamingo, Crocodile, Whitebeard) until they get beaten.

Basically, I don’t think it’s something we can look into very much or say about Marco’s fighting ability.

I’m aware of that but he still pretty much forced a mass of light into the ground at lightspeed. Which would still take significant force to accomplish since I doubt any ordinary fighter could bring Kizaru to the ground with a kick.

But you’re right in the sense that it doesn’t tell us much about Marco’s strength/fighting ability other than the fact that he’s really strong(which we already knew).

So I guess that puts us back to square one. lol.


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Heres a bunch of random shit I noticed while skimming through Enies Lobby that I found interesting.

Oda actually confirming that our reasoning in regards to why the strawhats lost to CP9 the first time around was correct.(Null’s translation is still pretty shitty though)

[url]http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/mangas/One%20Piece/359%20-%20Bingo/One%20Piece%20-%20359%20-%2017.png[/url]

Young Franky stopping the Sea Train. Albeit only momentarily it’s still rather impressive.

[url]http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/mangas/One%20Piece/357%20-%20Cutty%20Flam/One%20Piece%20-%20357%20-%2021.png[/url]

Captain lvl Marines actually dodging shots from Usopp. According to Panda the speed of Usopp’s bullets is about mach 30.

[url]http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/mangas/One%20Piece/426%20-%20A%20%20Ship%20Waiting%20for%20Wind/One_Piece-v44-139.png[/url]

^Should be scaleable to stronger Marines.

Nami actually holding her own against Marines of the same lvl. I personally thought this was rather impressive considering Nami’s generally seen as a shit tier pathetic fighter when that apparently isn’t the case.

[url]http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/mangas/One%20Piece/426%20-%20A%20%20Ship%20Waiting%20for%20Wind/One_Piece-v44-140.png[/url]

The exhausted strawhat crew(5 of them) were pretty much on par with and still dominating 200 Captain lvl Marines.

[img]http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/mangas/One%20Piece/427%20-%20It’s%20Not%20Like%20It’s%20Hell%20Here/One_Piece-v44-148.png[/img]

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Aoi Kunieda is a shit character wrote: Heres a bunch of random shit I noticed while skimming through Enies Lobby that I found interesting.

Oda actually confirming that our reasoning in regards to why the strawhats lost to CP9 the first time around was correct.(Null’s translation is still pretty shitty though)

http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/mangas/One%20Piece/359%20-%20Bingo/One%20Piece%20-%20359%20-%2017.png

Young Franky stopping the Sea Train. Albeit only momentarily it’s still rather impressive.

http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/mangas/One%20Piece/357%20-%20Cutty%20Flam/One%20Piece%20-%20357%20-%2021.png

Captain lvl Marines actually dodging shots from Usopp. According to Panda the speed of Usopp’s bullets is about mach 30.

http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/mangas/One%20Piece/426%20-%20A%20%20Ship%20Waiting%20for%20Wind/One_Piece-v44-139.png

^Should be scaleable to stronger Marines.

Nami actually holding her own against Marines of the same lvl. I personally thought this was rather impressive considering Nami’s generally seen as a shit tier pathetic fighter when that apparently isn’t the case.

http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/mangas/One%20Piece/426%20-%20A%20%20Ship%20Waiting%20for%20Wind/One_Piece-v44-140.png

The exhausted strawhat crew(5 of them) were pretty much on par with and still dominating 200 Captain lvl Marines.



Doesn’t usopp one shot a captain too, it could just be anime I’m thinking of.

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Aoi Kunieda is a shit character wrote: Heres a bunch of random shit I noticed while skimming through Enies Lobby that I found interesting.

Oda actually confirming that our reasoning in regards to why the strawhats lost to CP9 the first time around was correct.(Null’s translation is still pretty shitty though)

http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/mangas/One%20Piece/359%20-%20Bingo/One%20Piece%20-%20359%20-%2017.png

Young Franky stopping the Sea Train. Albeit only momentarily it’s still rather impressive.

http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/mangas/One%20Piece/357%20-%20Cutty%20Flam/One%20Piece%20-%20357%20-%2021.png

Captain lvl Marines actually dodging shots from Usopp. According to Panda the speed of Usopp’s bullets is about mach 30.

http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/mangas/One%20Piece/426%20-%20A%20%20Ship%20Waiting%20for%20Wind/One_Piece-v44-139.png

^Should be scaleable to stronger Marines.

Nami actually holding her own against Marines of the same lvl. I personally thought this was rather impressive considering Nami’s generally seen as a shit tier pathetic fighter when that apparently isn’t the case.

http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/mangas/One%20Piece/426%20-%20A%20%20Ship%20Waiting%20for%20Wind/One_Piece-v44-140.png

The exhausted strawhat crew(5 of them) were pretty much on par with and still dominating 200 Captain lvl Marines.

http://starkana.com/manga-img/776/28819/One_Piece-426-10-11.png
http://starkana.com/manga-img/776/28820/One_Piece-427-02.png

Fix’d. Thats better. Also, all those captains were from HQ meaning that they’d be stronger than Normal Marine Captains.


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@Redx

Yes it is impressive when you look at how it was stated that they were HQ level marines on the level of Smoker (Shows not only that Smoker was beyond some normal captain, but that each strawhat at that point in time were capable of defeating them whilst sustaining their injuries).

It looks like Oda wanted to show us that all of the strawhats are at least captain level and could hold their own against Smoker disregarding his logic abilities.

^Oh you already pointed that shit out.

Edited 04-07-2014 08:38 PM by Zeus.
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That was them while nerfed though. They were all already exhausted from their fights in the Judicial Tower.


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Where is Panda’s calc of Ussop’s bullets being mach 30? I wanna check It out.

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Locke. wrote: Where is Panda’s calc of Ussop’s bullets being mach 30? I wanna check It out.

I believe he posted it in the HST vs thread. I’ll go take a look.


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If it’s legit it should be saved here no?

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PandaG wrote:

PandaG wrote:

MollyMolly wrote:
how fast are ussops shots?





Ussop fires one bullet at Spandam



He then hits around 7 soldiers one after the other, before some of them have even hit the ground yet.



All from the tower of justice, which is a great distance away from the bridge Robin & Franky are on.





To add to this;

I’d take the average human (at 1.7m) about 0.5s to hit the ground freefalling (the marines likely fall faster because they were hit from an upward position).

If you say Usopp’s about 1 km away (probably more), he’s hitting 7 soldiers, so repeat that 7 times and you get 7km distance traveled. 7km/0.5s = 14,000 m/s = Mach 40 atleast, for the projectiles.



I missed the 7th’s guys foot behind the speech bubble next to Robin.


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I should put that in the OP.

Edit: Done.


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After taking another look at the Donquixote group I noticed an ongoing trend in the New World when it comes to the most prominent figures.


Instead of the captain or leader of the group being part of a trio of said group’s strongest fighters he’d be part of a group of four and or have 3 powerful subordinates ranked below him(however you wanna put it).

It was the same with Whitebeard whose strongest subordinates at the time were Marco, Ace & Jozu.


The same applies to the Marines as well considering Akainu has the 3 Admirals working below him.

It’s one of those small differences between the New World and Paradise. Though most of this shit is obvious as hell and you probably already know this, but the reason I point this out is because it gets me rather hyped for the fourth powerhouse in the strawhat crew.


And I know alot of people said that him joining would mess up the power dynamic in the crew but as I’ve just explained thats clearly complete bullshit seeing as how theres a whole new power dynamic for major pirates in the New World. And before anyone says some shit like: “we don’t know if he’ll actually join” jokes on you cause the dude pretty much already stated that he’ll join them no matter what later on.


This kinda makes me wonder in there was actually a fourth guy in Roger’s strongest group.


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It makes sense, in regards to the balance of power. Each crew needs 3 or so powerful people aside from the captain in order to combat the marines and other Yonkou. It’s probably a precedent that was set by Roger & WB.


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It does make sense,but I don’t think it’s Jinbe that will be the 4th strongest,maybe someone stronger will join the crew before or after Jinbe joins,and he/she will become the 4th strongest.


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Guess wrote: It does make sense,but I don’t think it’s Jinbe that will be the 4th strongest,maybe someone stronger will join the crew before or after Jinbe joins,and he/she will become the 4th strongest.

Why on earth would you think that? Theres no indication of that whatsoever. lmao.

Besides If Jimbei & Rebecca joins there will be no more new crew members.


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Redx wrote:

Guess wrote: It does make sense,but I don’t think it’s Jinbe that will be the 4th strongest,maybe someone stronger will join the crew before or after Jinbe joins,and he/she will become the 4th strongest.

Why on earth would you think that? Theres no indication of that whatsoever. lmao.

Besides If Jimbei & Rebecca joins there will be no more new crew members.

I never understood why people though Rebecca would join. Her “dream” is to live with Kyros, why would she leave to join the crew?

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Before any of the strawhats joined the crew they had other goals and dreams to achieve, it didn’t stop them from tagging along with Luffy.

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TruthReveals wrote: Before any of the strawhats joined the crew they had other goals and dreams to achieve, it didn’t stop them from tagging along with Luffy.

Yeah, bit all of their dreams could still be achieved by going with him. She can’t live with Kyros and go with Luffy. Just like how Vivi didn’t join because she couldn’t be the Princess and be a pirate.

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^Sanji had a debt to Zeff and sought to stay with him and the ship as well. I guess Vivi’s situation was much different since she had a role to lead a whole kingdom especially after having just recovered. Besides, her goalwas basically fulfilled which was to save Alabasta.

Now I’m not saying Vivi is weak either, she’s strong enough to be enlisted as Miss Wednesday (Or some other rank I dont remember) in Croc’s organization.

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