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One Piece Vs Discussion Thread: Power, Strengths, Abilities etc.

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Guesst wrote:

superfreshbiltz. wrote:

Redx wrote:

superfreshbiltz. wrote: Spiral Haki’s explanation makes as much sense as Redx’s translation and both of them can be seen in the manga.

Oda hasn’t gone in depth with haki yet (if Redx tries to tell you I’m talking crap, search for one of his posts where he said this same thing), so as it is, there isn’t one set explanation in this case.

all we know is that haki helps to touch a logia. We don’t know the specifics of “why”.

This is basically everything I was saying. Though we really don’t know the exact mechanics of how Haki interacts with logias or DFs in general we do know that when it comes to attacking logias Haki’s ability to “grab matter” is part of it and that is has nothing to do with attacking a “real body”.

Junior I’m beginning to wonder if you simply argue with me on purpose because it doesn’t seem as though you actually disagreed with me at all :I



Yes, arguing with you gives me a strong one.

The “grab matter” bit I call into question.

They can’t grab air for example.

Jimbei can grab water and Sanji “technically” kicks the air.

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superfreshbiltz. wrote: So why should he take fan translations over company translations? As in, why should he take the translations you took?

Panda showed a translation error (quite rare) from a while back by the way.



Like I said, one of the translators that use to translate OP on apforums actually became a Viz translator. So some of the legitimate translators (cnet128 & mangarule/powermanga) would be just as accurate as the Viz translations.

We’ve seen how Haki is used in relation to Logia users, and it matches Rayleigh’s explanation. The “grabbing matter” was a mangastream translation, IIRC. So far, we haven’t seen it used outside of DF users.

Any sort of “real body” grabbing doesn’t make sense because the Logia’s transform into their respective element, thus making their “real body” the element itself.

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However, the translation he’s using changes the meaning in that Rayleigh wasn’t as specific as this: &#147;With it, even the fluid bodies of the near-invincible logia users can be forced into solidity&#147;



It’s a less specific translation the same as with the Blackbeard scan. It doesn’t really change the meaning, it more like it leaves out more specific details and generalizes it as making the Logia’s vulnerable without explaining how.

Just because viz chose to be less specific and deviate a bit from the literal translation doesn’t mean that others that chose to be more literal should be ignored. Especially if characters interacting with logia’s support the more literal definition.

Also, Viz leaving out Haki in the BB scan wasn’t an error. It was more so an appeal to English audiences because if they threw in “Haki” with no explanation as to what it was, it would of thrown a lot of readers off.

They did the same thing with Haki’s definition in the earlier pages. It has multiple literal definitions (Presense/Spirit/Aura) but they simplified it to just sensing spiritual energy.


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We should really try to hold off on Haki discussions tbh.

Mainly because Rayleigh only explained the basics and seeing as how Oda loves to chuck new shit in, without explaining it for hundreds of chapters I’d say it’ll be a while before we fully understand everything about Haki and what it can really do.


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Just leaving this here so I know where it’s at. Getting tired of repeating the same shit over and over.

Mastalks wrote: Even Aokiji and Akainu failed to actually destroy an island.

Sakazuki and Kuzan never “failed” to do anything. You can’t fail a test you never took. Just like you can’t fail at something you were never even trying to do. Of course they didn’t destroy the island. The were fighting eachother not the landmass they were fighting on. Why would they destroy the island only to die in the ocean due to their inability to move in the ocean? smh. Just because OP doesn’t satisfy your need for constant “splosions” and “environmental destruction” doesn’t mean that they’re weak straight

You’re only looking at the environmental destruction without taking into account any of the context which is necessary in order to grasp Luffy’s potential at full strength. The ship was more durable than the island itself. We’ve been over this like a million times.

Honestly, we’ve been over the durability of Noah so many times it’s becoming tedious to have to constantly repeat ourselves.

Redx wrote: Noah was capable of surviving at a depth of 10,000 meters for 800 years(seeing as how it’s been there since the Void Century) whereas the strawhats steel shark sub could only withstand half that depth for a few minutes before being crushed. The ship crashed into a massive undersea mountain and destroyed said mountain without receiving even a single scratch. This coupled in with the fact that Luffy has been fodderizing steel since early on in the series yet Noah could still somewhat hold up against his Haki imbued G3 blows without being torn apart like mere paper is another testament to it’s durability. In addition to that Luffy was destroying it while on the brink of passing out due to massive blood loss. The only reason he didn’t finish destroying is because someone else stepped in and interrupted him.



To sum up: due to the fact that Noah’s durability was far greater than the island it was about to destroy Luffy’s DC(while on the verge of passing out) is easily above island lvl while using a nerfed Elephant Gatling(which isn’t even his strongest move).


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03-26-2014 03:34 PM
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Redx wrote: Just leaving this here so I know where it’s at. Getting tired of repeating the same shit over and over.

Mastalks wrote: Even Aokiji and Akainu failed to actually destroy an island.

Sakazuki and Kuzan never “failed” to do anything. You can’t fail a test you never took. Just like you can’t fail at something you were never even trying to do. Of course they didn’t destroy the island. The were fighting eachother not the landmass they were fighting on. Why would they destroy the island only to die in the ocean due to their inability to move in the ocean? smh. Just because OP doesn’t satisfy your need for constant “splosions” and “environmental destruction” doesn’t mean that they’re weak straight

You’re only looking at the environmental destruction without taking into account any of the context which is necessary in order to grasp Luffy’s potential at full strength. The ship was more durable than the island itself. We’ve been over this like a million times.

Honestly, we’ve been over the durability of Noah so many times it’s becoming tedious to have to constantly repeat ourselves.

Redx wrote: Noah was capable of surviving at a depth of 10,000 meters for 800 years(seeing as how it’s been there since the Void Century) whereas the strawhats steel shark sub could only withstand half that depth for a few minutes before being crushed. The ship crashed into a massive undersea mountain and destroyed said mountain without receiving even a single scratch. This coupled in with the fact that Luffy has been fodderizing steel since early on in the series yet Noah could still somewhat hold up against his Haki imbued G3 blows without being torn apart like mere paper is another testament to it’s durability. In addition to that Luffy was destroying it while on the brink of passing out due to massive blood loss. The only reason he didn’t finish destroying is because someone else stepped in and interrupted him.




Mastalks is on his own level when it comes to downplay.

He believes no.6 of you know which group (from clorox) would blitz Law lol.

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03-26-2014 03:37 PM
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Redx wrote: Just leaving this here so I know where it’s at. Getting tired of repeating the same shit over and over.

Mastalks wrote: Even Aokiji and Akainu failed to actually destroy an island.

Sakazuki and Kuzan never “failed” to do anything. You can’t fail a test you never took. Just like you can’t fail at something you were never even trying to do. Of course they didn’t destroy the island. The were fighting eachother not the landmass they were fighting on. Why would they destroy the island only to die in the ocean due to their inability to move in the ocean? smh. Just because OP doesn’t satisfy your need for constant “splosions” and “environmental destruction” doesn’t mean that they’re weak straight

You’re only looking at the environmental destruction without taking into account any of the context which is necessary in order to grasp Luffy’s potential at full strength. The ship was more durable than the island itself. We’ve been over this like a million times.

Honestly, we’ve been over the durability of Noah so many times it’s becoming tedious to have to constantly repeat ourselves.

Redx wrote: Noah was capable of surviving at a depth of 10,000 meters for 800 years(seeing as how it’s been there since the Void Century) whereas the strawhats steel shark sub could only withstand half that depth for a few minutes before being crushed. The ship crashed into a massive undersea mountain and destroyed said mountain without receiving even a single scratch. This coupled in with the fact that Luffy has been fodderizing steel since early on in the series yet Noah could still somewhat hold up against his Haki imbued G3 blows without being torn apart like mere paper is another testament to it’s durability. In addition to that Luffy was destroying it while on the brink of passing out due to massive blood loss. The only reason he didn’t finish destroying is because someone else stepped in and interrupted him.




Mastalks is on his own level when it comes to downplay.

He believes no.6 of you know which group (from clorox) would blitz Law in base lol

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GGGGL wrote:

GGGGL wrote:

Redx wrote: Just leaving this here so I know where it’s at. Getting tired of repeating the same shit over and over.

Mastalks wrote: Even Aokiji and Akainu failed to actually destroy an island.

Sakazuki and Kuzan never “failed” to do anything. You can’t fail a test you never took. Just like you can’t fail at something you were never even trying to do. Of course they didn’t destroy the island. The were fighting eachother not the landmass they were fighting on. Why would they destroy the island only to die in the ocean due to their inability to move in the ocean? smh. Just because OP doesn’t satisfy your need for constant “splosions” and “environmental destruction” doesn’t mean that they’re weak straight

You’re only looking at the environmental destruction without taking into account any of the context which is necessary in order to grasp Luffy’s potential at full strength. The ship was more durable than the island itself. We’ve been over this like a million times.

Honestly, we’ve been over the durability of Noah so many times it’s becoming tedious to have to constantly repeat ourselves.

Redx wrote: Noah was capable of surviving at a depth of 10,000 meters for 800 years(seeing as how it’s been there since the Void Century) whereas the strawhats steel shark sub could only withstand half that depth for a few minutes before being crushed. The ship crashed into a massive undersea mountain and destroyed said mountain without receiving even a single scratch. This coupled in with the fact that Luffy has been fodderizing steel since early on in the series yet Noah could still somewhat hold up against his Haki imbued G3 blows without being torn apart like mere paper is another testament to it’s durability. In addition to that Luffy was destroying it while on the brink of passing out due to massive blood loss. The only reason he didn’t finish destroying is because someone else stepped in and interrupted him.




Mastalks is on his own level when it comes to downplay.

He believes no.6 of you know which group (from clorox) would blitz Law in base lol

Rofl. Wow.


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03-26-2014 03:42 PM
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He also believes Mihawk is slower than pre TS Luffy because he failed to cut him.

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GGGGL wrote: He also believes Mihawk is slower than pre TS Luffy because he failed to cut him.

Yeah I remember that. He still for some reason fails to comprehend that Mihawk wasn’t even trying.


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Currently re-reading this thread. Seeing some interesting posts from myself and Panda that I had completely forgotten about.


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I found this on page 60 or something. Important question I don’t remember answering.

PeacefulChaos wrote: This is kind of random, but why does PandaG have the “G” at the end of his username? I get the whole panda theme, but I don’t understand the G.



Because Panda’s are G/Gangsta as fuck.


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I remember pointing this out.

Redx wrote: Also an interesting strength feat from fodder during Enies Lobby.



Also did you skip a bunch of pages Panda? cuz you’re way ahead of me. lol.


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I was just skimming pages 40 ~ 60. I stopped when I saw that question.


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You guys seriously going through all the posts.

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@Panda: Ah I see.

Spiral Haki wrote: You guys seriously going through all the posts.

Well I am I guess. I started re-reading from page one and just haven’t stopped yet.

On page 42 atm.


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Well your a man on a mission I leave you to it.


I could never read that much.

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Spiral Haki wrote: Well your a man on a mission I leave you to it.


I could never read that much.

I’m just doing it out of boredom. lol.

Besides it’s kinda interesting to read comments from myself at an earlier time.


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Redx wrote:

Spiral Haki wrote: Well your a man on a mission I leave you to it.


I could never read that much.

I’m just doing it out of boredom. lol.

Besides it’s kinda interesting to read comments from myself at an earlier time.



I suppose it would bring up memories of a different time when you’d have views opposite to now, to see growth and what not would be enjoyable I geuss you could even fell a sense of pride but well I’ll stop I’m just rambling on now.

I think Edgar got to me, I get to much into my thoughts of analyzing things and fell the need to post, probably do to me looking too much into things and having an over flow of information from it.

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Spiral Haki wrote: Ramble Ramble Ramble~

Gotcha.

Also anyone else notice this? I’m probably late as fuck but I just noticed Law used shambles without even activating his room.




Note how his room only activates after he switches places with the log he threw.


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Alimo wrote: Gag feat and certainly impossible for us to judge just how far he was sent. Where did it state that he was sent to another country? Several times in the manga luffy punched and used his Bazooka on a lot of people though he did not manage to Kill them with his supposed country level punches.

Please refer to me a scan in the manga in which he destroyed a country or a continent. A continent is usually several times bigger than a country and that ice he split has no size attributes of either a country or a continent. It looked huge although there is no way for us to tell just HOW huge it was.

It wasn’t gag. Thats not what “gag” is. It wasn’t done for comedy. There is no indication of that. Thats just a cop out. lol. First you tried to tell me the showings never happened and now you’re trying to tell me they were gag. Stop grasping at straws. Whether or not someone was killed is completely fucking irrelevant. Nobody said that Luffy had country lvl regular punches either so I don’t know where you got that from. lmao.

If you’re referring to Chinjao, When did I fucking say he destroyed a continent? Can you even read?

Redx wrote: Nobody called him a continent “buster”. Just because he didn’t satisfy people’s apparent need for “lolsplosions” doesn’t make the attack any less impressive or effective in combat.


Again.

Redx wrote: Reading comprehension: You lack it.


We don’t need to know how big it was. Thats irrelevant. The context indicates that it was in fact a continent. An extremely durable one at that.

Anyways I’m so fucking sick of discussing chinjao. It’s always the same fucking retarded arguments from people who are obsessed with picking at minor details in order to downplay.


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