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Theory Time-
Sugar never goes to sleep, because in doing so she would release the Toys. And you know what, to keep her up everyday she eats sweets which Trebol produces. Thats why Trebol protects her, he is a Sweet,Caramel,Batter,etc Logia or Paramecia who can keep Sugar awake at all times.


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superfreshbiltz. wrote:

The Vongolian King wrote: Wall of text coming towards why Zoro’s lightspeed dodging of Kuma’s technique is not hyperbole but not light speed.

Editing soon.



Lol Yaksha, Red, and GoGon you guys are screwed.



LOl I never said zoro is ftl cuz of kuma. I dont remember this lightspeed shit and I dont care about it ^^


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Yaksha wrote:

Redx wrote:

Yaksha wrote:

Redx wrote:

Yaksha wrote:

Redx wrote: Yeah I’m pretty sure Bart didn’t have his barrier up during that point in time.



You can see it.

I will show you in a minute in this game of LoL.

EDIT-Notice Sabo’s arm see the dark shadow around it that’s cracked.

Ummmm...holy shit. It looks like Sabo was in fact on the other side of the barrier and then broke through it. The other half of Sabo probably isn’t visible due to the Barrier itself.

How the hell did you even see that? What the fuck were you doing? going over the chapter with a microscope? lol.



Bart he has barrier up most of the time, the fact that sabo was annoying him further bolsters the fact that he would have it up.

It only becoming visible when its attacked, like i said sabo with a casual push broke the barrier which tanked a king punch, the man with the barrier being the same man who fodderized a low-mid tier vice admiral with so much ease it’s unreal.

I should really re-read this arc so far. I don’t pay much attention to Bart since Rebecca’s been stylin' all over him.

superfreshbiltz. wrote:

The Vongolian King wrote: Wall of text coming towards why Zoro’s lightspeed dodging of Kuma’s technique is not hyperbole but not light speed.

Editing soon.



Lol Yaksha, Red, and GoGon you guys are screwed.

I’m really not looking forward to this tbh.



You didn’t just go there Salty-Kun.


You didn’t just f**k**g go there.

cool


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Also JJ the mongolian kid cant harm the M3 of the OP thread.


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Redx wrote:

Yaksha wrote:

Redx wrote:

Yaksha wrote:

Redx wrote:

Yaksha wrote:

Redx wrote: Yeah I’m pretty sure Bart didn’t have his barrier up during that point in time.



You can see it.

I will show you in a minute in this game of LoL.

EDIT-Notice Sabo’s arm see the dark shadow around it that’s cracked.

Ummmm...holy shit. It looks like Sabo was in fact on the other side of the barrier and then broke through it. The other half of Sabo probably isn’t visible due to the Barrier itself.

Look at him fucking look at him.


Better than her in all areas except tits.

How the hell did you even see that? What the fuck were you doing? going over the chapter with a microscope? lol.



Bart he has barrier up most of the time, the fact that sabo was annoying him further bolsters the fact that he would have it up.

It only becoming visible when its attacked, like i said sabo with a casual push broke the barrier which tanked a king punch, the man with the barrier being the same man who fodderized a low-mid tier vice admiral with so much ease it’s unreal.

I should really re-read this arc so far. I don’t pay much attention to Bart since Rebecca’s been stylin' all over him.

superfreshbiltz. wrote:

The Vongolian King wrote: Wall of text coming towards why Zoro’s lightspeed dodging of Kuma’s technique is not hyperbole but not light speed.

Editing soon.



Lol Yaksha, Red, and GoGon you guys are screwed.

I’m really not looking forward to this tbh.



You didn’t just go there Salty-Kun.


You didn’t just f**k**g go there.

cool

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Gol D. Gon wrote:

superfreshbiltz. wrote:

The Vongolian King wrote: Wall of text coming towards why Zoro’s lightspeed dodging of Kuma’s technique is not hyperbole but not light speed.

Editing soon.



Lol Yaksha, Red, and GoGon you guys are screwed.



LOl I never said zoro is ftl cuz of kuma. I dont remember this lightspeed shit and I dont care about it ^^

Well Kuma’s pad canons aren’t lightspeed they are created by reflecting the air at at lightspeed. The attack itself doesn’t move that fast.

Though that probably doesn’t apply when he’s reflecting himself.

I think thats what Vongolian King might be getting at.


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Redx wrote:

Gol D. Gon wrote:

superfreshbiltz. wrote:

The Vongolian King wrote: Wall of text coming towards why Zoro’s lightspeed dodging of Kuma’s technique is not hyperbole but not light speed.

Editing soon.



Lol Yaksha, Red, and GoGon you guys are screwed.



LOl I never said zoro is ftl cuz of kuma. I dont remember this lightspeed shit and I dont care about it ^^

Well Kuma’s pad canons aren’t lightspeed they are created by reflecting the air at at lightspeed. The attack itself doesn’t move that fast.

Though that probably doesn’t apply when he’s reflecting himself.

I think thats what Vongolian King might be getting at.


Thx for the explanation. OP haters have no power here anyway.


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I’ll keep it short and simple.

First off, Kuma’s DF:



Kuma’s Pad Canon abiliy explanation:



Zoro’s feat:



These will be the two key factors of this explanation:

- Air resistance -Simple explanation

- Gravity (you should know wtf this is...)


First off, According to Kuma, he could “repel” against air at the speed of light.

Keyword: Repel -

re·pel
ri&#712;pel/Submit
verb
verb: repel; 3rd person present: repels; past tense: repelled; past participle: repelled; gerund or present participle: repelling
1.
drive or force (an attack or attacker) back or away.[/b]
“government units sought to repel the rebels”
synonyms: fight off, repulse, drive back/away, force back, beat back, push back
(of a magnetic pole or electric field) force (something similarly magnetized or charged) away from itself.
“electrically charged objects attract or repel one another”
(of a substance) resist mixing with or be impervious to (another substance).
“boots with good-quality leather uppers to repel moisture”
synonyms: be impervious to, be impermeable to, keep out, resist, be &#151;&#151;proof More
2.
be repulsive or distasteful to.
“she was repelled by the permanent smell of drink on his breath”
synonyms: revolt, disgust, repulse, sicken, nauseate, turn someone’s stomach, be repulsive, be distasteful, be repugnant; More
3.
formal
refuse to accept (something, esp. an argument or theory).
“the alleged right of lien led by the bankrupt’s attorney was repelled”




(If you’ve looked at the definition, look at the bolded words for the meaning we’re using in this situation.)

So, if he pushes air against it self, it would clash with the rest of air in the atmosphere. This is where air resistance comes into play. The moment he set the attack off with the speed of light push, the force of impact which was light speed level, it hit air resistance, making the speed drop significantly.

Now, if we were in space the attack would continue to move at the speed of light because there would be no air resistance or mass to interfere with it. This is why gravity sucks (to a degree) :P.

Air resistance is the reason things slow down on earth in flight (and gravity + only this until some other term comes into play, forgot the word).

This can also be supported with a later feat he displayed.

Sending the Luffy flying through the air and travel length statement:






Explanation wrote: air pressure is the amount of air pushing against something. When you are in the mountains there is less air pressing in around you then when you are sea level. Also that is why when you change altitudes your ears pop. They are equalising to the pressure.



So, if Luffy was blasted high into the sky, he would have to deal with less air pressure, meaning he’d go for an extended amount of time without slowing down completely to a stop, it plays out as a great theory of how Luffy and the others can still be flying at this amount of time (and the fact that they were pushed at the speed of light too). Less air pressure = less air resistance.

The only argument towards dealing with this theory is:

1) the distance between Zoro and Kuma.

2) how much can air resistance slow down that attack during the traveled distance between Zoro and Kuma.

This is my explanation towards why Kuma’s pushing could be light speed, but not the thing he’s pushing.


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The Vongolian King wrote: I’ll keep it short and simple.

First off, Kuma’s DF:



Kuma’s Pad Canon abiliy explanation:



Zoro’s feat:



These will be the two key factors of this explanation:

- Air resistance -Simple explanation

- Gravity (you should know wtf this is...)


First off, According to Kuma, he could “repel” against air at the speed of light.

Keyword: Repel -

re·pel
ri&#712;pel/Submit
verb
verb: repel; 3rd person present: repels; past tense: repelled; past participle: repelled; gerund or present participle: repelling
1.
drive or force (an attack or attacker) back or away.[/b]
“government units sought to repel the rebels”
synonyms: fight off, repulse, drive back/away, force back, beat back, push back
(of a magnetic pole or electric field) force (something similarly magnetized or charged) away from itself.
“electrically charged objects attract or repel one another”
(of a substance) resist mixing with or be impervious to (another substance).
“boots with good-quality leather uppers to repel moisture”
synonyms: be impervious to, be impermeable to, keep out, resist, be &#151;&#151;proof More
2.
be repulsive or distasteful to.
“she was repelled by the permanent smell of drink on his breath”
synonyms: revolt, disgust, repulse, sicken, nauseate, turn someone’s stomach, be repulsive, be distasteful, be repugnant; More
3.
formal
refuse to accept (something, esp. an argument or theory).
“the alleged right of lien led by the bankrupt’s attorney was repelled”




(If you’ve looked at the definition, look at the bolded words for the meaning we’re using in this situation.)

So, if he pushes air against it self, it would clash with the rest of air in the atmosphere. This is where air resistance comes into play. The moment he set the attack off with the speed of light push, the force of impact which was light speed level, it hit air resistance, making the speed drop significantly.

Now, if we were in space the attack would continue to move at the speed of light because there would be no air resistance or mass to interfere with it. This is why gravity sucks (to a degree) :P.

Air resistance is the reason things slow down on earth in flight (and gravity + only this until some other term comes into play, forgot the word).

This can also be supported with a later feat he displayed.

Sending the Luffy flying through the air and travel length statement:






Explanation wrote: air pressure is the amount of air pushing against something. When you are in the mountains there is less air pressing in around you then when you are sea level. Also that is why when you change altitudes your ears pop. They are equalising to the pressure.



So, if Luffy was blasted high into the sky, he would have to deal with less air pressure, meaning he’d go for an extended amount of time without slowing down, it plays out as a great theory of how Luffy and the others can still be flying at this amount of time (and the fact that they were pushed at the speed of light too). Less air pressure = less air resistance.

The only argument towards dealing with this theory is:

1) the distance between Zoro and Kuma.

2) how much can air resistance slow down that attack between the distance of Zoro and Kuma.

This is my explanation towards why Kuma’s pushing could be light speed, but not the thing he’s pushing.



And i here i was expecting some half assed concoction.

You put effort into it however well done, i will check this over later i am up for work in around six hours so i really cannot be arsed at the moment.


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Edited 12-12-2013 07:33 PM by Eiyu O
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Yaksha wrote:

The Vongolian King wrote: I’ll keep it short and simple.

First off, Kuma’s DF:



Kuma’s Pad Canon abiliy explanation:



Zoro’s feat:



These will be the two key factors of this explanation:

- Air resistance -Simple explanation

- Gravity (you should know wtf this is...)


First off, According to Kuma, he could “repel” against air at the speed of light.

Keyword: Repel -

re·pel
ri&#712;pel/Submit
verb
verb: repel; 3rd person present: repels; past tense: repelled; past participle: repelled; gerund or present participle: repelling
1.
drive or force (an attack or attacker) back or away.[/b]
“government units sought to repel the rebels”
synonyms: fight off, repulse, drive back/away, force back, beat back, push back
(of a magnetic pole or electric field) force (something similarly magnetized or charged) away from itself.
“electrically charged objects attract or repel one another”
(of a substance) resist mixing with or be impervious to (another substance).
“boots with good-quality leather uppers to repel moisture”
synonyms: be impervious to, be impermeable to, keep out, resist, be &#151;&#151;proof More
2.
be repulsive or distasteful to.
“she was repelled by the permanent smell of drink on his breath”
synonyms: revolt, disgust, repulse, sicken, nauseate, turn someone’s stomach, be repulsive, be distasteful, be repugnant; More
3.
formal
refuse to accept (something, esp. an argument or theory).
“the alleged right of lien led by the bankrupt’s attorney was repelled”




(If you’ve looked at the definition, look at the bolded words for the meaning we’re using in this situation.)

So, if he pushes air against it self, it would clash with the rest of air in the atmosphere. This is where air resistance comes into play. The moment he set the attack off with the speed of light push, the force of impact which was light speed level, it hit air resistance, making the speed drop significantly.

Now, if we were in space the attack would continue to move at the speed of light because there would be no air resistance or mass to interfere with it. This is why gravity sucks (to a degree) :P.

Air resistance is the reason things slow down on earth in flight (and gravity + only this until some other term comes into play, forgot the word).

This can also be supported with a later feat he displayed.

Sending the Luffy flying through the air and travel length statement:






Explanation wrote: air pressure is the amount of air pushing against something. When you are in the mountains there is less air pressing in around you then when you are sea level. Also that is why when you change altitudes your ears pop. They are equalising to the pressure.



So, if Luffy was blasted high into the sky, he would have to deal with less air pressure, meaning he’d go for an extended amount of time without slowing down, it plays out as a great theory of how Luffy and the others can still be flying at this amount of time (and the fact that they were pushed at the speed of light too). Less air pressure = less air resistance.

The only argument towards dealing with this theory is:

1) the distance between Zoro and Kuma.

2) how much can air resistance slow down that attack between the distance of Zoro and Kuma.

This is my explanation towards why Kuma’s pushing could be light speed, but not the thing he’s pushing.



And i here i was expecting some half assed concoction.

You put effort into it however well done, i will check this over later i am up for work in around six hours so i really cannot be arsed at the moment.




I never half ass shit, I look at all the things I want to explain and make it reasonable.


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I’m sorry but I’m gonna mention another series here.

Is Luffy really a lighting timer? This guy is saying Killua from
Hunter x Hunter has a major speed advantage on Luffy.
When Luffy battle Enel did he really actually dodge enels lighting
or what?


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The Vongolian King wrote: I’ll keep it short and simple.

First off, Kuma’s DF:



Kuma’s Pad Canon abiliy explanation:



Zoro’s feat:



These will be the two key factors of this explanation:

- Air resistance -Simple explanation

- Gravity (you should know wtf this is...)


First off, According to Kuma, he could “repel” against air at the speed of light.

Keyword: Repel -

re·pel
ri&#712;pel/Submit
verb
verb: repel; 3rd person present: repels; past tense: repelled; past participle: repelled; gerund or present participle: repelling
1.
drive or force (an attack or attacker) back or away.[/b]
“government units sought to repel the rebels”
synonyms: fight off, repulse, drive back/away, force back, beat back, push back
(of a magnetic pole or electric field) force (something similarly magnetized or charged) away from itself.
“electrically charged objects attract or repel one another”
(of a substance) resist mixing with or be impervious to (another substance).
“boots with good-quality leather uppers to repel moisture”
synonyms: be impervious to, be impermeable to, keep out, resist, be &#151;&#151;proof More
2.
be repulsive or distasteful to.
“she was repelled by the permanent smell of drink on his breath”
synonyms: revolt, disgust, repulse, sicken, nauseate, turn someone’s stomach, be repulsive, be distasteful, be repugnant; More
3.
formal
refuse to accept (something, esp. an argument or theory).
“the alleged right of lien led by the bankrupt’s attorney was repelled”




(If you’ve looked at the definition, look at the bolded words for the meaning we’re using in this situation.)

So, if he pushes air against it self, it would clash with the rest of air in the atmosphere. This is where air resistance comes into play. The moment he set the attack off with the speed of light push, the force of impact which was light speed level, it hit air resistance, making the speed drop significantly.

Now, if we were in space the attack would continue to move at the speed of light because there would be no air resistance or mass to interfere with it. This is why gravity sucks (to a degree) :P.

Air resistance is the reason things slow down on earth in flight (and gravity + only this until some other term comes into play, forgot the word).

This can also be supported with a later feat he displayed.

Sending the Luffy flying through the air and travel length statement:






Explanation wrote: air pressure is the amount of air pushing against something. When you are in the mountains there is less air pressing in around you then when you are sea level. Also that is why when you change altitudes your ears pop. They are equalising to the pressure.



So, if Luffy was blasted high into the sky, he would have to deal with less air pressure, meaning he’d go for an extended amount of time without slowing down, it plays out as a great theory of how Luffy and the others can still be flying at this amount of time (and the fact that they were pushed at the speed of light too). Less air pressure = less air resistance.

The only argument towards dealing with this theory is:

1) the distance between Zoro and Kuma.

2) how much can air resistance slow down that attack during the traveled distance between Zoro and Kuma.

This is my explanation towards why Kuma’s pushing could be light speed, but not the thing he’s pushing.

That was a well written and decent explanation.

Good job. Another thing worth noting in your explanation would have been how the opponent would appear to disappear instantaneously when he used his ability indicating that they started out moving ridiculously fast but then slowed down over time.

Other than that your wall of txt is legit.


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beelzebub64 wrote: I’m sorry but I’m gonna mention another series here.

Is Luffy really a lighting timer? This guy is saying Killua from
Hunter x Hunter has a major speed advantage on Luffy.
When Luffy battle Enel did he really actually dodge enels lighting
or what?



Yes. he dodged it/reacted to it and kicked it away.


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beelzebub64 wrote: Is Luffy really a lighting timer?

You don’t have to mention another series if this is all you wanted to know.

And yes. He kicked a lightning bolt from the clouds back in Skypeia.


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Redx wrote:

The Vongolian King wrote: I’ll keep it short and simple.

First off, Kuma’s DF:



Kuma’s Pad Canon abiliy explanation:



Zoro’s feat:



These will be the two key factors of this explanation:

- Air resistance -Simple explanation

- Gravity (you should know wtf this is...)


First off, According to Kuma, he could “repel” against air at the speed of light.

Keyword: Repel -

re·pel
ri&#712;pel/Submit
verb
verb: repel; 3rd person present: repels; past tense: repelled; past participle: repelled; gerund or present participle: repelling
1.
drive or force (an attack or attacker) back or away.[/b]
“government units sought to repel the rebels”
synonyms: fight off, repulse, drive back/away, force back, beat back, push back
(of a magnetic pole or electric field) force (something similarly magnetized or charged) away from itself.
“electrically charged objects attract or repel one another”
(of a substance) resist mixing with or be impervious to (another substance).
“boots with good-quality leather uppers to repel moisture”
synonyms: be impervious to, be impermeable to, keep out, resist, be &#151;&#151;proof More
2.
be repulsive or distasteful to.
“she was repelled by the permanent smell of drink on his breath”
synonyms: revolt, disgust, repulse, sicken, nauseate, turn someone’s stomach, be repulsive, be distasteful, be repugnant; More
3.
formal
refuse to accept (something, esp. an argument or theory).
“the alleged right of lien led by the bankrupt’s attorney was repelled”




(If you’ve looked at the definition, look at the bolded words for the meaning we’re using in this situation.)

So, if he pushes air against it self, it would clash with the rest of air in the atmosphere. This is where air resistance comes into play. The moment he set the attack off with the speed of light push, the force of impact which was light speed level, it hit air resistance, making the speed drop significantly.

Now, if we were in space the attack would continue to move at the speed of light because there would be no air resistance or mass to interfere with it. This is why gravity sucks (to a degree) :P.

Air resistance is the reason things slow down on earth in flight (and gravity + only this until some other term comes into play, forgot the word).

This can also be supported with a later feat he displayed.

Sending the Luffy flying through the air and travel length statement:






Explanation wrote: air pressure is the amount of air pushing against something. When you are in the mountains there is less air pressing in around you then when you are sea level. Also that is why when you change altitudes your ears pop. They are equalising to the pressure.



So, if Luffy was blasted high into the sky, he would have to deal with less air pressure, meaning he’d go for an extended amount of time without slowing down, it plays out as a great theory of how Luffy and the others can still be flying at this amount of time (and the fact that they were pushed at the speed of light too). Less air pressure = less air resistance.

The only argument towards dealing with this theory is:

1) the distance between Zoro and Kuma.

2) how much can air resistance slow down that attack during the traveled distance between Zoro and Kuma.

This is my explanation towards why Kuma’s pushing could be light speed, but not the thing he’s pushing.

That was a well written and decent explanation.

Good job. Another thing worth noting in your explanation would have been how the opponent would appear to disappear instantaneously when he used his ability indicating that they started out moving ridiculously fast but then slowed down over time.

Other than that your wall of txt is legit.



Forgot that, thanks.


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I never doubted you, VK. Not one bit. cool

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Yaksha wrote:

beelzebub64 wrote: I’m sorry but I’m gonna mention another series here.

Is Luffy really a lighting timer? This guy is saying Killua from
Hunter x Hunter has a major speed advantage on Luffy.
When Luffy battle Enel did he really actually dodge enels lighting
or what?



Yes. he dodged it/reacted to it and kicked it away.



Ok thanks I’ll go look up the scan of it then


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beelzebub64 wrote:

Yaksha wrote:

beelzebub64 wrote: I’m sorry but I’m gonna mention another series here.

Is Luffy really a lighting timer? This guy is saying Killua from
Hunter x Hunter has a major speed advantage on Luffy.
When Luffy battle Enel did he really actually dodge enels lighting
or what?



Yes. he dodged it/reacted to it and kicked it away.



Ok thanks I’ll go look up the scan of it then

Check the pages listed in the OP.


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I don’t get why noobs slap everything as “Lol hyperbole” or quick to wank “lol ftl zoro”. I like to evaluate things unbiased.


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The Vongolian King wrote: I don’t get why noobs slap everything as “Lol hyperbole” or quick to wank “lol ftl zoro”. I like to evaluate things unbiased.

Such claims actually had me believing that the showing was an inconsistency when it turns out people were just misinterpreting what Kuma stated about his ability.


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