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One Piece Vs Discussion Thread: Power, Strengths, Abilities etc.

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Pell surviving was great, favorite zoan b4 marco entered the series.
Mr. 2 had a big ass scenery style death wit all da toppings, but got brought back. I guess Magellan really does follow rules and uses intimidation only for intimidation.
I wouldn’t mind Sabo being alive if the punk was dead. But it’s not the case.

As for FI arc, there were hella feats and impressive things that happened in it. Ppl who don’t like/read OP don’t know that and a lot of OP fans don’t go back and read it cuz the pacing. I don’t know which was harder to follow pacing wise, skypeia or FI arc.

What made the arc horrible for me-
#1. Entire island, huge ass island btw (like a mini earth underwater), of “sea people” weaker than sanji- nevermind luffy. For the ONLY.place where sea folk can live underwater it had no strong points. Fishman karate wasn’t expanded on, fishman swordplay wasn’t expanded on, etc.
#2. The prince were weak. The dad was weak but years out of combat and age make me accept that (barely).
#3. No full power, fishman vs fishman fights. Hody pretty much fodderized the prince when in water.
#4. Wtf wasn’t the island filled with water. In better words, why was bubbles put around the island for air? Almost like they want humans to come to fishman island and do what the fuck they want. To much to go into use your brain and think about and you’ll understand what I mean.
#5. Tiger died like a bitch.

Also Hyouzu in base>Hody in base.
Hell transformed hyouzu didn’t fight in water to stack him up to transformed hody. Only reason I put transformed hody over transformed hyouzu is because hody ate so many damn pills.


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^ I see where you’re coming from but theres a frew things I disagree with.

The princes weren’t weak. They casually one-shotted a horde of giant beats as large as the Krakken and were actually stomping Hodi’s crew until the latter decided to cheat and power up with steroids.

I do agree the Fishman Karate should have been expanded upon since the Fishman Karate school was considered the pride of Fishman island yet for some reason we never got to see it.

The swordsman ship didn’t really need to be expanded upon seeing as how there was no specific type of swordsmanship on Fishman island.

Not designing the island the way Oda did would have made the entire arc almost impossible to occur. There needed to be air.

Tiger’s death was rather realistic. Not every character can go out like some badass.


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The only real reason FI disappointed me was the fishman being weak.
I know it had to be done or the straw hats 2 years of training would seem like nothing it was to show how far they came but its the same reason skypeia was disappointing to me.
I still enjoyed all the info, events, and adventure with FI even skypeia just one piece does need some epic fights in the mix.

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I don’t care how strong Hodi’s crew was. Shit was just a warm-up arc anyways meaning they were warm-up villains.

They were never meant to be anything special. Why would Oda make the strawhats go all out on their first arc back together rather than saving all the epic shit for later arcs and releasing their best moves over a period of time? If he showcased everything the crew was capable of now it would lessen the shock value later on.


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Redx wrote: I don’t care how strong Hodi’s crew was. Shit was just a warm-up arc anyways meaning they were warm-up villains.

They were never meant to be anything special. Why would Oda make the strawhats go all out on their first arc back together rather than saving all the epic shit for later arcs and releasing their best moves over a period of time? If he showcased everything the crew was capable of now it would lessen the shock value later.



Speaking of shock.


Dat Thor gun he used.


Damn luffy.


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Yaksha wrote:

Redx wrote: I don’t care how strong Hodi’s crew was. Shit was just a warm-up arc anyways meaning they were warm-up villains.

They were never meant to be anything special. Why would Oda make the strawhats go all out on their first arc back together rather than saving all the epic shit for later arcs and releasing their best moves over a period of time? If he showcased everything the crew was capable of now it would lessen the shock value later.



Speaking of shock.


Dat Thor gun he used.


Damn luffy.

Indeed. That shit came outta nowhere.


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Redx wrote: I don’t care how strong Hodi’s crew was. Shit was just a warm-up arc anyways meaning they were warm-up villains.

They were never meant to be anything special. Why would Oda make the strawhats go all out on their first arc back together rather than saving all the epic shit for later arcs and releasing their best moves over a period of time? If he showcased everything the crew was capable of now it would lessen the shock value later.



Yeah I know that already, just it does disappoint me going through all the build up with the fishman and them being a joke.

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Redx wrote:

Yaksha wrote:

Redx wrote: I don’t care how strong Hodi’s crew was. Shit was just a warm-up arc anyways meaning they were warm-up villains.

They were never meant to be anything special. Why would Oda make the strawhats go all out on their first arc back together rather than saving all the epic shit for later arcs and releasing their best moves over a period of time? If he showcased everything the crew was capable of now it would lessen the shock value later.



Speaking of shock.


Dat Thor gun he used.


Damn luffy.

Indeed. That shit came outta nowhere.



Oda has alot of explaining to do when we finally get to haki.


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Yaksha wrote:

Redx wrote: I don’t care how strong Hodi’s crew was. Shit was just a warm-up arc anyways meaning they were warm-up villains.

They were never meant to be anything special. Why would Oda make the strawhats go all out on their first arc back together rather than saving all the epic shit for later arcs and releasing their best moves over a period of time? If he showcased everything the crew was capable of now it would lessen the shock value later.



Speaking of shock.


Dat Thor gun he used.


Damn luffy.



Yeah I can’t wait to see, Jet elephant Thor Red Hawk.

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Yeah, It’d make absolutely no sense for the SH’s to struggle against opponents right after 2 years of training.

But at the same time, Oda’s not going to leap into the action without extensively setting it up.

I can’t wait to see a Red Hawk on land. Let alone Gear 3rd Red Hawk.


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A G3 Red Hawk Rifle would be pretty sick. Or possibly a G3 Red Hawk or Thor Gatling.

Would be beast as fuck....


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What woukd good name for that because i doubt it would be Elephant Thor Red Hawk.


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Jet Red thor hawk fireworks


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I know many of us know this but just throwing it out there b/c of a recent thread. New world fodders are the likes of the pacifistas and ones that can go toe to toe with them individually.


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Redx wrote: ^ I see where you’re coming from but theres a frew things I disagree with.

The princes weren’t weak. They casually one-shotted a horde of giant beats as large as the Krakken and were actually stomping Hodi’s crew until the latter decided to cheat and power up with steroids.

I do agree the Fishman Karate should have been expanded upon since the Fishman Karate school was considered the pride of Fishman island yet for some reason we never got to see it.

The swordsman ship didn’t really need to be expanded upon seeing as how there was no specific type of swordsmanship on Fishman island.

Not designing the island the way Oda did would have made the entire arc almost impossible to occur. There needed to be air.

Tiger’s death was rather realistic. Not every character can go out like some badass.



I know about the prince which is why I compared the entire island to sanji, who’d easily wreck the prince. Using steroids to boost themselves meant shit to the SH’s so that’s why the prince didn’t do anything impressive.

The swordsmanship concept was slightly more interesting than the karate. Just because the vast different of bodies they have to boost their blade skills.

The arc didn’t NEED to occur the way it did is what the bottomline is, it didn’t need to even be remotely that long. It should have been simple. Hell FI wouldn’t have the problems they did if it wasn’t designed so they’ve live on dry land. FI should’ve been a quick exposition passerby arc.

Tiger’s death wasn’t realistic. I don’t know anybody who’d die on a bed crying around a bunch of men about how he can’t forgive people for treating him bad. And I, as well as plenty of people I know, have been treated bad.

If he’d died just crying w/o all the “boo hoo” involved then I wouldn’t have minded it. But it was all the self pity that made me turn that whole scene down.

Pretty much, FI arc made jimbei the strongest of either group of sea folk in the series. I don’t even like the idea that sea folk can eat DF.


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An analysis of Luffy’s range/reach.

The Kraken is around 300m big.

http://imgbox.com/adbyQnSv




Wadatsumi around the size of the Kraken, probably 100m smaller.



Noah is much larger than him;



Luffy rapid fired Elephant Gun/Gatling over about half the length of the ship;



You can see how far some of the blood has fallen off of Luffy in the time he has rapid fired his arms atleast 3 times each, or two for his right.

And given that Luffy can stretch over these distances;



And that Gear 3rd slows him down in exchange for power, he should be able to do the same much quicker with Gear 2nd. Meaning that he could possibly stretch and propel himself out of range.


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^ Nice Panda. So not only is Luffy island lvl in terms of DC he also has that kind of attack range.


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Redx wrote: ^ Nice Panda. So not only is Luffy island lvl in terms of DC he also has that kind of attack range.



Luffy has dc&aoe of island yes? Guess I was right all along as well. Good job Panda.


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Also, just in case theres anyone who somehow hasn’t noticed. I’d like to point out that Luffy is capable of freely altering the size of his G3 fists.

Note: Shirahoshi who as about 17 meters and larger than the strawhats ship looks minuscule in comparison to just one of Luffy’s fists.



Then theres the half-assed version he used to one-shot Monster(Franky) Chopper.



Then theres the one he used inside of the frozen lab/mountain against CC.



I also just realized that CC has some pretty damn good reactions for an antagonist of his caliber.


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I wonder how big he can make them the largest ones he made were with the Kraken or Noah correct. And Thor was pretty small too.


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