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Wrong thread.

Chapter came out early because the chinese raws were released unusually early by publishers (apparently this is a big issue).

People where so thirsty for chapter once the raws came out that they just put a translation over the chinese raws. Chapter will come out in better quality as they normally do.


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Redx wrote: Lol. This one is old.

Redx wrote: Whitebeard is unreasonably downplayed though I’m sure you know this already.

People only consider the man to be city level at best when his feats clearly outclass city lvl by such a large margin that it’s not even funny.

Look at the size of the quakes he used to destroy the two Tsunamiís surrounding Marinford.


Now take a look at the size of the quake he used to split the entire island in half.


Note how the cracks in the air were much smaller than the ones he destroyed the Tsunamis with. This is a clear indication that whitebeard was holding back even on the brink of death. In fact the scene after wards implies that he held back on purpose to split the island in half in order to separate the Marines from his comrades so that the remaining Whitebeard pirates could escape. Not to mention this was the result of an indirect quake and Akainu had absorbed most if not all of the damage into his body and the island was split as a mere side effect.


The very first quakes he used at the start of the war are a clear indication that Whitebeard could have sunk Marineford at any time he desired. Just look at how the bulge he creates towers into the clouds and dwarfs the entire island.


He speed is also downplayed despite him showing some rather impressive speed feats throughout the war. Whitebeard general isnít considered fast simply because he is big and conventional logic tells us that Big people are slow. This doesnít apply to One Piece at all when we take a look at Oars and even the Yeti Cool brothers who despite their tremendous size have shown off great speed. Another reason heís considered slow is because he lacks certain speed tropes like streak lines or afterimages. As I stated before, his speed feats regardless of their lack of flashy tropes are still quite impressive.
For example take a look at how he manages to get behind Akainu during the war.


Now this may not seem rather impressive right off the bat because of the lack of streak lines and such but when we take into consideration that Akainu as an Admiral lvl fighter with precognition wasnít able to react to Whitebeardís surprise attack the feat becomes that much more impressive. Especially when we take into account that he was in a war surrounded by Marines an no one managed to see him until it was too late.
Then here this feat I discovered most recently when re-reading the war.


Here we clearly see that Kizaru is pretty much able to become light and enter lightspeed travel almost instantly as he blitzes past Gear 2nd Luffy and remarks that heís slow.
Yet here we see that Whitebeard is capable of intercepting Kizaru rather easily while the latter was attempting to travel at lightspeed.


Now does this mean that Whitebeard is FTL? Maybe, maybe not. We canít be certain of the time it takes kizaru to become light all we know is that he can do it instantly and that whitebeard was able to intercept him within that frame of time. Or Oda could be telling us that WB is in fact FTL because Kizaru is light during the scan when WB intercepts him. There is no way to know for certain because when you think about it Kizaru has not once been stated to be the fastest character in One Piece. So for all we know Oda might be trying to tell us that there are characters even faster than he is. But as I said weíll have to wait and see but as of right now what we can conclude from these showings is that whitebeard is incredibly fast. Much faster than people give him credit for that much is certain.
And this last one regarding Whitebeardís DC is pretty simple.


I know weíve all seen Whitebeard tilt the entire island plus the entire ocean surrounding it with a mere hand gesture but the feat is still underrated for the simple fact that ďhe only tilted water durrrĒ. Sure he only tilted water but thatís only because they just so happened to be surrounded by water and not land. Itís like saying that Mihawk canít cut anything above ice because his best feat only managed to cut ice. Itís retarded. Itís not hard to image what would happen to the landscape if they had been surrounded by a continent or even just a large land mass instead of the ocean. Whitebeard would have demolished everything with that ability.



Speaking of things like this, a lot of people never seem to notice that most of the islands, landscapes, buildings, etc. are multiple times larger than Giants, as they are an accepted/acknowledged race of people, and the structures are designed to house them.

Giants are dwarfed by islands, and on some can’t even be seen by aerial shot. Beings like Moriah (22ft) are considered ants to giants.

Ohara wasn’t that big of an island, compared to a lot of others in OP, yet Saul was only as big as one of the medium sized hills. Not even the whole range of it either, he was just as tall as it was, but we see bigger hills and mountains in the pictures too.
http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2499-17/one-piece/chapter-392.html

That’s just one example of how huge everything is in OP. I’ll get more and post them later (like Oimo and Kashi looking pretty small compared to the Judicial tower, when people like Usopp are smaller than their ears, etc). But you can see the point. When people like Whitebeard are using attacks larger than buildings and giant structures, it’s a lot bigger than people think. His attacks in those scans were multiple times larger than giants.


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So how strong is WBs Quake considered to be again ???


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Speaking of sizes, It makes me wonder how big Alabasta is.

The river was stated to be 50km in width, and we get a view of the entire country the right middle panel here;

http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/One-Piece/210/9


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I dont know how legit it is but OBD got Alabasta shit pretty big. And OP Earth is like 5xtimes our Earth.
Take a look if you want.
http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=20265


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I saw that, but pixel scaling doesn’t bode well here.

Just an FYI, the Nile river ranges is around 7km wide at it’s largest, and you can see it in the image below.

http://www.un-spider.org/sites/default/files/imagecache/image_main/120806_Africa.jpg


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I still haven’t heard everyone’s thoughts on this yet.

Redx wrote: This made a lot of sense.

If this theory turns out to be accurate it would explain why Haoshoku Haki is so feared and considered such a threat in the One Piece world.


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Redx wrote: I still haven’t heard everyone’s thoughts on this yet.

Redx wrote: This made a lot of sense.

If this theory turns out to be accurate it would explain why Haoshoku Haki is so feared and considered such a threat in the One Piece world.



Interesting, but I think the anime adaption, imo, didn’t really make the fire disappear or anything. I think it was just Ace coming back to his senses. This, of course, is subject to personal interpretation.

It would be awesome if Shanks could destroy entire mountains just by looking at it, too. Although, considering how little evidence we have, that’s kind of far-fetched.

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So pretty much if true shockwaves from a stare of a yonko is mountain level IF it comes out to be true.

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I think it’s possible, considering what Shanks & WB did with a single clash, and what Shanks did to WB’s ship. But I doubt we’ll see anything of that scale with just COC until we see a Yonkou going all out.


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PandaG wrote: I think it’s possible, considering what Shanks & WB did with a single clash, and what Shanks did to WB’s ship. But I doubt we’ll see anything of that scale with just COC until we see a Yonkou going all out.



All right thanks man.


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PandaG wrote: Speaking of sizes, It makes me wonder how big Alabasta is.

The river was stated to be 50km in width, and we get a view of the entire country the right middle panel here;

http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/One-Piece/210/9



I don’t know if you read the last page of that chapter, but Luffy brought down more than a few city blocks, on top of breaking through layers of bedrock.

I don’t know how I missed that...


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A tired and starved Ace @ Marineford was able to keep up with PS Akianu for a little while. That’s a pretty crazy endurance feat.


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Dictator wrote: A tired and starved Ace @ Marineford was able to keep up with PS Akianu for a little while. That’s a pretty crazy endurance feat.

Well duh. Just not as crazy as him fighting on par with Jimbei for 5 days straight.


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Redx wrote:

Dictator wrote: A tired and starved Ace @ Marineford was able to keep up with PS Akianu for a little while. That’s a pretty crazy endurance feat.

Well duh. Just not as crazy as him fighting on par with Jimbei for 5 days straight.



But wasn’t he being also tortured while he was a prisinoer at marine ford?

that endurance feat with Jimbei was when he was probably alot weaker than when he fought blackbeard. I don’t think neither Jimbei or Ace were admiral level at that point it was very earl on in Ace’s pirate career.


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lol I just noticed this shit while skimming through marineford.

Whitebeard was being shot at with rockets/bazookas and bullets and it didn’t do shit. Note: The blood is from his injuries fighting Kizaru and Akainu. The latter pumped magma into his chest and the former had lasered him at point blank range through the torso.

http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/One-Piece/573/3

Not only does this throw that Whitebeard downplay out the window it also acts as supporting evidence of the fact that the rest of the Blackbeard pirates have Haki for the fact that they were able to injure him with pistols when canons and such to the face didn’t even scratch WB.

The notion that the Blackbeard pirates(currently top tiers) don’t have Haki was already asinine to begin with tbh.

Someone else outlined all the main points.

http://www.animevice.com/one-piece/10-55/one-piece-durability-misconception-weaponry-and-haki/97-347598/


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The entire WB war was pretty much a tease in terms of characters strength. Nobody used Busoshoku Haki, and we know that Oda plans his shit out, so it’s not like he invented it on the spot. So along with what you’ve said WB’s durability would be even greater, because it’d make no sense for someone of Yonkou level to not be able to use hardening. Especially a more physical fighter (atleast to some degree) like WB.


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