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All One Piece vs discussion is to be limited to this thread its only purpose is to discuss powers abilities and anything vs related to One Piece only.

Any mention of other series in a vs manner will result in a ban from vs general.




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Redx wrote: I don’t recall every moment where he’s used his death wink but heres him creating numerous afterimages in order to preform his galaxy wink.



Okay thanks. I believe someone mentioned earlier that each wink of Iva is like a canonball hitting you correct? Given that those are afterimages and not duplicates and Iva is only using one eye to wink at a time not both. Counting how many faces she has in the bottom panel the total is: 10. Assuming she did this at the best PS Luffy speed mach 180= 180*340.29 m/s (room temp. sound speed)= 61,252.2 m/s.

The low end for a canonball is about 250 kg the maximum is about 270 kg going by hypertextbook (google if you wish). So the momentum behind one wink is: p=(250 kg)(61,252.2 m/s)= 15,313,050 kg.m/s = 15.3 mil Newton second. (apx.)

Multiply that by 10 to get the momentum for Iva’s galaxy wink is : 153.1305 million Newton Second (N.s).

Holy shit that is much higher value than I thought.

Thanks Redx.




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Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

Stardust wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote: Sanji moved at supersonic Speeds 5 km underwater. Thats a few thousand tons on his Body. He has 10 times more durability than your modern war submarine. Sanji being below mach 10 is laughable.

Then how fast do you think he is? I already proved Nagato having mach 30 reaction speed since he dodged Naruto’s Rasenshuriken at point blank range.


I sadly cannot calc his feat. At least supersonic movements while having a perssure of 10.000+ tons on his Body. I have no idea how fast he would be on land.



Wait give me the estimate how fast he was moving under water at I believe was 10,000 meters underwater correct? I may be able to calculate his land speed. And tbh how was the pressure 10,000 tons? I would think it being more than 10,000 times the atmospheric pressure. Just need some information before I can calculate it.

Side-Note: For Redx, Gongon, and Ghost- Did you guys already post how much stronger is the hell wink than the death wink? Just to get the power behind the stronger wink. Thanks.

I can’t be exactly sure as I don’t recall impel down all that well but I know that saying it’s only 10x stronger would be low balling.



Since I went by the lowest estimate for the death wink saying it is about a 250 kg canonball I got 1 death wink is 15,313,050 N.s and of course 10 of them on panel were AT LEAST 153.1305 million N.s

So the hell wink should be by what you are saying at the very least 153.1305 million N.s That is amazing. Considering these are the lowest reasonable values. If not even a bit lower.




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Roronoa GoGon wrote: 1 bar every 10 meters.



I see thanks don’t worry I took care of it here is the calc mind you I had these base assumptions: t= 1 second. Density of seawater=distilled water (could not find better values)

Friction, drag, full affect of deceleration, energy heat loss, and energy sound loss were all ignored so the values could be a bit higher or lower.

Sanji’s Underwater Calc:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

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Roronoa GoGon wrote: goku here Sanji is 177 cm



Yea I got his height from the OP wiki, but need his length and widht. I’m assuming he is more skinny than me so his width (waist) should be about 28 inches to 30 inches (28 inches to be conservative). Just need his approximate length.


14 inches


apx. mass of Sanji= 70 kg
density of human= 1g/ cm^3 --> 1,000.00 kg/m³
Since 1 inch=0.0254 m
Then 14 inches= 0.3556 m 28 inches= 0.7112 m height= 1.8 m

V=lwh= 0.455224896 m^3 (“surface” volume for Sanji)
Volume=m/d = 70/1000= 0.07 m^3. (displacement volume for Sanji)

Now for the water: To calculate it we need density, height, and the gravitational constant (since the weight of the water will exert a force of f=mg; but we are only looking for pressure)

So p=d*h*g= 1000 kg/m^3*5000 m*9.8 m/s^2=49,000,000 kg/m*s^2= 49 million N/m^2 (total pressure of 5km volume of water if all of it was pressing down on Sanji-kun :P).

Ground level: 14.7 psi, 0.445 psi increase per meter. So pressure on Sanji is:
14.7+ 0.445(5000)= 2239.7 psi

Now that we know the water pressure of Sanji it’s time to see how much energy or force would be needed to go at least at mach 1=340.29 m / s under that much pressure.

F=ma=m*v/t; the v=340.29 m/s assume t=1 second (b/c of mach 1) m=49 kg then the force required to move at mach 1 on land is:

F=23,820.3 kg*m/s^2= 23,820.3 N in 14.7 psi

*Unfortunately I have decided not to calculate for friction since it will take too much time since when one is underwater the salt content is shifted and has slight changes in viscosity. And I can’t take a low friction solid since then that is just pulling numbers out of the ass. So this calc does not include the friction from water ( that means this estimate is lower than it should really be). Of course this also ignores fluid (liquid) drag.*

We get 2239,7/14.7= 152.361 (apx.) of pressure difference.

So the force needed to move that fast underwater: 23,820.3* 152.361= 3,629,284.7283 N
To get the approximate land speed:

F=ma-->a=F/m=3,629,284.7283/70= 51,846.92469 m/s^2 (initial acceleration-is NOT continuous obviously)

Deceleration: 9.8 m/s^2

*2nd Edit: 51,846.92469 m/s^2 * 1 s= 51,846.92469 m/s*

51,846.92469 /340.29=152.361 (mach) that means Sanji has at least mach 152 reaction speed on land.

*Note: This value should be increased when friction and drag are taken into account AND decreased when the full effects of deceleration and loss of energy due to heat and sound are taken into account*

So that is mach 152 reaction speed that means Sanji was just as capable of owning Hody’s ass like Luffy since the gap between the M3 and Hody is that large it would be hard to tell who is the strongest. Especially for someone like Hody who is far behind any of them. On a a side note this would put Sanji’s combat speed is easily above mach 50.

If anything is wrong with this calc please let me know and I’ll fix what I can.

@PandaG: And the things that have been confirmed through feats, heavy implication, data books, or solid calcs please put them on the OP so we don’t have a repeat of the DB discussion thread were people, trolls, and downplayers keep asking the same thing over and over again. Thanks.

Sources: http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=307277 (formulas for pressure and other things with water (volume, density, etc.)

The dimensions for Sanji were gotten by the OP wiki and GonGon
Scans and such: Redx (as well as correction for speed and mass for Sanji) and GonGon.

Peace.

P.S. Let me know if it is solid or not.

Edit: Spaced for easier reading, also spelling and some grammar fixed.

3rd Edit: Assuming that the water at 5 km is around room temperature. I think I forgot to mention this when I took this into account. But traveling at higher speeds in possibly warmer temperatures (e.g. achieving sound speed) is a lot more difficult.




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Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

Redx wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote: What about about Gongon and PandaG?

I didn’t count them because they weren’t here atm.



Doh... not me.

But anyways a quick question you know that scan that Gon put a bit back with the 7 canonballs. How far do you think the canons were from Zoro? I think they are about 10 meters. Would that be a fine assumption to make? Thanks.

5-7 meters sounds more accurate tbh.



So I’ll just use 7 meters okay? I’ll try finishing it in an hour. Hopefully I can post it up before then.

Sure. Thats fine.



My calcs were giving me 10.33 m/s (for the cannonballs' speed leaving the cannons)lol but I found out some mathematician has already done this here:



At the usual 20 degrees used for firing cannons. 45 degrees is too high, it may be lower than 20 degrees imo. But using the standard angle. We get that each cannonball is going at 110 m/s. Since there were 7 of them and Zoro has 3 swords. 7/3= 2.33...

Then, 110* 2.33= 256.7 m/s of Zoro casually cutting it all those cannonballs. Assuming no air resistance, and that those are 18th century cannons. So technically at that time going by calcs it’s not even mach 1. I have double checked this. I’ll go over it again later maybe tomorrow and post everything in depth. But it seems like that mach 9 may be a high value at that time in OP.

Redx wrote: That was a casual feat for Zoro anyways. He had surpassed mach 9 a long time ago. Especially during Skypeia.

In anime/manga not every speed feat will be superior to the previous one.



Yeah I know I think end of PS the M3 were mach 20 anyways. Not all showing will scale linearly or be always consistent. But it does give us idea that 18th century cannons were usleess to very early SH even.

But going by calcs that feat was not even mach 1 at room temperature of course (mach @ 20 Celsius=340.29 m/s). I was thinking it would be a mach 11.2 feat with my estimate going off by mach 9. But they were way off. And then when I as doing it myself I was getting like 10.33 m/s. But realistically if Zoro was to do that in RL its 256.7 m/s= 924.12 kph= 577.575 mph. If Oda was trying to show that Zoro is a certain mach speed then it didn’t work out. But if he trying to show that normal human weapons are useless against the SH then it was a very good way of portraying Zoro’s capabilities. Thanks to you and Gon for the scans and base assumptions. Peace.

Edit: FYI - The Bugatti Super Sport the world’s current fastest hyper-car’s top speed is about 256 mph.




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18th Century Cannonball:

mass= 42 lbs=19.0509 kg v= 110 m/s (gotten from previous calc posted earlier)

theta= 20 (standard angle for cannons' used)
g=9.8m/s^2

t=[2(velocity)sin2theta]/g
t=2(110)sin2*20/9.8= 7.678 s

a= v/t= 110/7.678= 14.33 m/s^2

f=ma= 19.0509*14.33= 273 N (for one cannonball)

273*7= 1911 N (for all cannonballs)

Now for the cannon: (He only cut one cannon on panel)

Short gun Cannon= 1 ton = 1000 kg

*Note: Zoro must have been going at least at the same or greater acceleration then than the cannons (greater actually since he weighs less than 133.7 kg (total mass of the cannonballs)*
*Addition: This is w/o taking momentum of Zoro into account*
But going by a=14.33 m/s^2

F=(1000)(14.33)= 14,330 N

Total force of the feat= 1911 N + 14,330 N= 16,241 N

For each sword just divide it by 3 we get: 5,413.7 N for each of Zoro’s swords.

*Note: The thing is this value can be possibly almost 10x or even larger. B/c the acceleration I used is less than what would be need for this feat. And even more importantly, the density of an iron cast cannonball and cannon is about: 7874 kg/m^3. Not to mention taking thickness into account.*

To put this into perspective this is equivalent for Zoro to accelerate more than 5 tons of iron at about 14.33 m/s^2 for almost 8 seconds (with one hit for one sword). Or for even further downplay, just 1 m/s^2 for 1 second.

Technically this is by far humanely impossible.

Sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_cannon

Mass of cannon used. Under the 18th century section.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/12/cannon-balls-size-matters/

Almost everything cannon related in regards to speed, angle, force, acceleration, etc. (Formulas and calculations)

http://arc.id.au/Cannonballs.html

16th-18th Century cannonballs and cannons.


Once again thanks Gongon, and Redx for the scans, base assumptions, and helpful interpretations.

@PandaG: Hope this is useful.



Gol D. Gon wrote: Calcing pre skip luffys speed now.


We got kalifa at lightning speed. Someone stronger than her like blueno would be AT LEAST as fast as her.

So I will use mach 130 blueno.

I will use this scan to calc luffys base speed.



Here we see blueno charging at luffy. The distance between them is around 2 meters. Blueno speed is mach 130 or 44.237,7 m/s


Luffy dodged him and appeared around 5 meters away from him right when he lands.



t = s/v

s = 2m

v = 44.237,7 m/s

t = 4,521030705x10^-5

v = s/t

t = 4,521030705x10^-5

s = 5m

v = mach 263


Base Luffy mach 263.



Now we use this scan for his jet pistol speed.



Blueno was in mid soru. I assume he was able to maybe move a few centimeters at best before jet pistol hit him but since we low ball OP calcs I will use 1 meter for the distance blueno crossed before jet pistol hit him.

v = mach 130

s = 1m

t = 2,26......x10^-5


s = 6m

t = 2,26......x10^-5

v = mach 780

mach 780 for jet pistol speed


Luffys movement speed




In this scan blueno literally almost grabs luffy. There is maybe a 20 cm distance between them. Luffy re appears around 3 meters behind blueno.


v = mach 130

s = 0,2 m

t = 4,52......x10^-6


s = 3m

t = 4,52......x10^-6

v = Mach 1950 ! low end


Quad digits luffy pre skip. GG





1) Size of 1 of the Long Ring Islands.



Notice how the view is much higher than the Going Merry, and you still can’t see the full Island, or the ocean at the end.

Merry is a Caravel ship, whose average lengths are about 23m

Using that and this;

http://www.ringbell.co.uk/info/hdist.htm

You get 17.1 km for the length of 1 Island.



Here we see that Aokiji froze past at least 2 Islands. 2(17.2) = 34.2 km



Here we see that Aokiji froze beyond the horizon from a view point higher than the Sea King, but since most of it’s body was likely underwater we can’t use 5km. But the viewpoint is obviously higher than anyone there.

I’ll go with the Giants height of about 11.9m

Once again, this

http://www.ringbell.co.uk/info/hdist.htm

Gives me about 12.3 km

This same scan shows us that Aokiji froze 3 bodies of water between the Islands.



3(12.3) = 36.9

Add that to the value for the Islands.

36.9 + 34.2 = 71.1 km for the distance Aokiji froze casually.





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One Piece Rants
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/one-piece-vs-discussion-thread-how-strong-they-are-abilities-etc-291098/100

Post #694 (Addressing a Misconception about Kizaru)
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/one-piece-vs-discussion-thread-how-strong-they-are-abilities-etc-291098/35

Post #815 (AP of Preskip Zoro’s Asura)
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/one-piece-vs-discussion-thread-how-strong-they-are-abilities-etc-291098/41

Haki discussions starting from post #1,028 and down
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/one-piece-vs-discussion-thread-how-strong-they-are-abilities-etc-291098/52

Post #5,384 (Debunking some Admiral downplay and addressing Luffy’s Noah feat for the billionth time)
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/one-piece-vs-discussion-thread-how-strong-they-are-abilities-etc-291098/270

Posts #1156 and #1157 (Strawhats lightning showings)
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/one-piece-vs-discussion-thread-how-strong-they-are-abilities-etc-291098/58

(Nami’s lightning showings) Post #1413. Post #1414 (Haki theories).
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/one-piece-vs-discussion-thread-how-strong-they-are-abilities-etc-291098/71

Posts #1,890 #1,892 #1,893(Luffy, Garp, Kuzan and a quote debunking some WB downplay)
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/one-piece-vs-discussion-thread-how-strong-they-are-abilities-etc-291098/95

Post #1,907 and #1,917(Debunking OP gun downplay and OP Blue Deep databook info)
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/one-piece-vs-discussion-thread-how-strong-they-are-abilities-etc-291098/96

Debunking the “whitebeard can get hurt by ordinary bullets” downplay. Post #2,039
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/one-piece-vs-discussion-thread-how-strong-they-are-abilities-etc-291098/102

The durability of the Continent Chinjao bisected post #2,567
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/one-piece-vs-discussion-thread-how-strong-they-are-abilities-etc-291098/129

Luffy’s attack range/reach. Post #2,736
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/one-piece-vs-discussion-thread-how-strong-they-are-abilities-etc-291098/137

Devil Fruits/Logia rant Post #3,147 and Post #3,160
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The power of Marine HQ compared to other Marine bases Post #4,231
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The speed of Usopp’s projectiles during Enies Lobby Post #5,611
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/one-piece-vs-discussion-thread-how-strong-they-are-abilities-etc-291098/281#msg6699036

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So basically we can only talk about how strong we think OP is as a verse and can’t compare it to other series so as not to start a shitstorm correct?


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Yeah.


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I have a feeling many people will not adhere these rules and then many people will report other people

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I feel like they’ll adhere to it as much as they adhere to the dbz one so something like 70-30 which I can live with plus once they see how fast they get banned I’m sure the majority will fall in line.


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i.e. Keep the Versus faggotry out of the Discussion Threads?

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da A.D.M.I.N. STOMPER wrote: i.e. Keep the Versus faggotry out of the Discussion Threads?

Good stuff, my bald-ass nigga.

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I just realized you locked the dbz discussion thread. Wtf man?


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on topic they could be the strongest physically out of the hst.


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sooo.. who else agrees Sanji is faster than Base Luffy and possibly faster than G2 Luffy?


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There isn’t enough appreciate for the crazy endurance of OP characters in the vs forum.

Zoro’s pain tolerance is insane.

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Richard cranium wrote: on topic they could be the strongest physically out of the hst.


no they ARE the physically strongest


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Who’s stronger? Doflamingo or Mihawk?


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YuNarukami wrote: Who’s stronger? Doflamingo or Mihawk?

Mihawk


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YuNarukami wrote: Who’s stronger? Doflamingo or Mihawk?



more than likely mihawk


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Richard cranium wrote: on topic they could be the strongest physically out of the hst.

They are. OP characters are the physical monsters of the HST when it comes to endurance and physical strength.


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Yeah, i’d say mihawk too. We haven’t seen Don’s DF yet, but Mihawk is still probably stronger


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Raniero wrote:
Zoro’s pain tolerance is insane.

You haven’t even seen the half of it.


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YuNarukami wrote: Yeah, i’d say mihawk too. We haven’t seen Don’s DF yet, but Mihawk is still probably stronger

Of course he is. The dude used to go toe to toe with Shanks.


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Raniero wrote: Zoro’s pain tolerance is insane.

Just wait until you see him in Thriller Bark...

Oh man, he’s the biggest badass in the HST for a reason, after all.


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