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Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

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AQW rules wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

6Shinigami6Slayer6 wrote: Ye baldy



wut?



FUCK you 6Shinigami he is probably crying cuz of your inapropriate language



I’m sorry Tornado-san! Forgive me for I haven’t sinned!


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6Shinigami6Slayer6 wrote:

AQW rules wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

6Shinigami6Slayer6 wrote: Ye baldy



wut?



FUCK you 6Shinigami he is probably crying cuz of your inapropriate language



I’m sorry Tornado-san! Forgive me for I haven’t sinned!



Who knows?Maybe its too late now.You will maybe feel the wrath of his LOGIC?!?!

PS: he is pure evil

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AQW rules wrote:

6Shinigami6Slayer6 wrote:

AQW rules wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

6Shinigami6Slayer6 wrote: Ye baldy



wut?



FUCK you 6Shinigami he is probably crying cuz of your inapropriate language



I’m sorry Tornado-san! Forgive me for I haven’t sinned!



Who knows?Maybe its too late now.You will maybe feel the wrath of his LOGIC?!?!

PS: he is pure evil



We are all pure evil at birth, till we break free of the chains of darkness, and seek knowledge.


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AQW rules wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

6Shinigami6Slayer6 wrote: Ye baldy



wut?



FUCK you 6Shinigami he is probably crying cuz of your inapropriate language



What are you talking about?

6Shinigami6Slayer6 wrote:

AQW rules wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

6Shinigami6Slayer6 wrote: Ye baldy



wut?



FUCK you 6Shinigami he is probably crying cuz of your inapropriate language



I’m sorry Tornado-san! Forgive me for I haven’t sinned!



Sure I forgive you. Don’t know what you guy(s) are going on about.


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Before I start, this is a simple calculation and not meant for pixel scaling, differential equations, Coriolis effect and all that stuff. I’m also going to get a range, even though I posted that I will use an average of Tornado and my estimation for Konoha. That said, let’s get started.



Titan Maximum wrote: The tower really wasn&#146;t that huge. Plus I posted an actually map of the Leaf village pointing where the forest of death was. It&#146;s at least twice the size of the Forest of Death.

EDIT:
Here is a simplist picture of the Forest of Death.
http://www.mangatoyou.org/Naruto/45/08/

Here is a map of The Leaf pointing to the FOD&#146;s location.
http://www.exisle.net/mb/index.php?/topic/53580-naruto-rpg/

Now look at this(to the top right).



In order to get the diameter of Konoha, we use the diameter of the Forest of Death, which is 20km, in order to get the diameter. Since the crater of Konoha is indeed a circle, we will have to take the full diameter, because we are going to compare it to Chibaku Tensei’s crater, which is a full circle as well. Using a crude method (eyeballing and using a plain straight edge), I determined the size to be 56km and Tornado has the size of Konoha at 50km.

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

A Life Without Regrets wrote: Here: http://www.mangahit.com/naruto/45/8
The forest has a total of a 20 KM diameter. Konoha is ~50-60 KM.



If you are saying Konohana has a diameter of 50 KM (you are always suppose to take lower estimates. Conservatism mate). Then the radius of Konohan is 25 km. Which would mean that if assuming that Konohana is also “circular” (don’t think it is)then the area should be about: 1963.5 km^2. You’re right it is a tiny country. In our world it would be the 181st largest country larger than Comoros (1862) but smaller than Mauritius (2030).


So we will use the range, 50km - 56km for Konoha’s diameter.



We see that CT’s crater is similar sized to Konoha in the picture of Chibaku Tensei below (Konoha’s crater is on the top right of the last panel where we see Chibaku Tensei), actually a bit bigger, but for simplicity sake, we’ll make it the same as Konoha’s crater, so 50km - 56km.



A little background. Pein’s Shinra Tensei, after its use, takes 5 seconds to be used again, and this was the opening Naruto used. Pein dodges Rasenshuriken while dealing with two clones from point blank, as shown in these pictures.



However, with the background information of Shinra Tensei, we see that it takes one second for the Flying Rasenshuriken to cross the entire diameter of Chibaku Tensei.



Now, the easy part. We know it takes FRS to cross 50-56 kilometers in 1 second. According to USCS, this is the speed of sound or Mach 1. So we turn 50 - 56 km to meters, which yields 50,000 - 56,000m and divide by 344m, which yields Mach 145 - 162 at the lowest, since we know that Nagato was out of chakra, meaning Deva Path wasn’t as agile anymore and the fact that I didn’t account for the difference in the size of the craters


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Juubidamas cross 1000s of kms in a second so Mach 3020 is the speed for Juubidamas.


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@juniors pretty good: Here this is were we got leaf village to be 50 km in diameter:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

A Life Without Regrets wrote: Here: http://www.mangahit.com/naruto/45/8
The forest has a total of a 20 KM diameter. Konoha is ~50-60 KM.



If you are saying Konohana has a diameter of 50 KM (you are always suppose to take lower estimates. Conservatism mate). Then the radius of Konohan is 25 km. Which would mean that if assuming that Konohana is also “circular” (don’t think it is)then the area should be about: 1963.5 km^2. You’re right it is a tiny country. In our world it would be the 181st largest country larger than Comoros (1862) but smaller than Mauritius (2030).



It was me, ilikecookies, a life without regrets, ten tailed god, and I think jonnty6 as well can’t remember though.

And I always assume room temperature so about mach 1 = 340 m/s. But yes everything’s fine let me just touch it up a bit if you don’t mind.


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Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote: @juniors pretty good: Here this is were we got leaf village to be 50 km in diameter:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

A Life Without Regrets wrote: Here: http://www.mangahit.com/naruto/45/8
The forest has a total of a 20 KM diameter. Konoha is ~50-60 KM.



If you are saying Konohana has a diameter of 50 KM (you are always suppose to take lower estimates. Conservatism mate). Then the radius of Konohan is 25 km. Which would mean that if assuming that Konohana is also “circular” (don’t think it is)then the area should be about: 1963.5 km^2. You’re right it is a tiny country. In our world it would be the 181st largest country larger than Comoros (1862) but smaller than Mauritius (2030).



It was me, ilikecookies, a life without regrets, ten tailed god, and I think jonnty6 as well can’t remember though.

And I always assume room temperature so about mach 1 = 340 m/s. But yes everything’s fine let me just touch it up a bit if you don’t mind.



I’ll add your explanation of how you got 50km into the calc.

But sure, you can touch it up.


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juniorsworld wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote: @juniors pretty good: Here this is were we got leaf village to be 50 km in diameter:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

A Life Without Regrets wrote: Here: http://www.mangahit.com/naruto/45/8
The forest has a total of a 20 KM diameter. Konoha is ~50-60 KM.



If you are saying Konohana has a diameter of 50 KM (you are always suppose to take lower estimates. Conservatism mate). Then the radius of Konohan is 25 km. Which would mean that if assuming that Konohana is also “circular” (don’t think it is)then the area should be about: 1963.5 km^2. You’re right it is a tiny country. In our world it would be the 181st largest country larger than Comoros (1862) but smaller than Mauritius (2030).



It was me, ilikecookies, a life without regrets, ten tailed god, and I think jonnty6 as well can’t remember though.

And I always assume room temperature so about mach 1 = 340 m/s. But yes everything’s fine let me just touch it up a bit if you don’t mind.



I’ll add your explanation of how you got 50km into the calc.

But sure, you can touch it up.



Yea i have added that part already and just showing how you got it just in case if someone doesn’t now how to. You don’t mind if I make it a similar format that I made for the jinchirikuu calc right?


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Edited 07-31-2013 06:20 PM by Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother
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Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

juniorsworld wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote: @juniors pretty good: Here this is were we got leaf village to be 50 km in diameter:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

A Life Without Regrets wrote: Here: [url]http://www.mangahit.com/naruto/45/8[/url]
The forest has a total of a 20 KM diameter. Konoha is ~50-60 KM.



If you are saying Konohana has a diameter of 50 KM (you are always suppose to take lower estimates. Conservatism mate). Then the radius of Konohan is 25 km. Which would mean that if assuming that Konohana is also “circular” (don’t think it is)then the area should be about: 1963.5 km^2. You’re right it is a tiny country. In our world it would be the 181st largest country larger than Comoros (1862) but smaller than Mauritius (2030).



It was me, ilikecookies, a life without regrets, ten tailed god, and I think jonnty6 as well can’t remember though.

And I always assume room temperature so about mach 1 = 340 m/s. But yes everything’s fine let me just touch it up a bit if you don’t mind.



I’ll add your explanation of how you got 50km into the calc.

But sure, you can touch it up.



Yea i have added that part already and just showing how you got it just in case if someone doesn’t now how to. You don’t mind if I make it a similar format that I made for the jinchirikuu calc right?



Go ahead.

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Calculated by: juniorsworld
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Link to calc: http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/naruto-vs-discussion-thread-how-strong-they-are-abilities-etc-291096/69#msg5614792
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Post #: 1,366 & from 1,368 to 1,372.

Your welcome folks.

juniorsworld wrote:

Before I start, this is a simple calculation and not meant for pixel scaling, differential equations, Coriolis effect and all that stuff. I’m also going to get a range, even though I posted that I will use an average of Tornado and my estimation for Konoha. That said, let’s get started.



Titan Maximum wrote: The tower really wasn&#146;t that huge. Plus I posted an actually map of the Leaf village pointing where the forest of death was. It&#146;s at least twice the size of the Forest of Death.

EDIT:
Here is a simplist picture of the Forest of Death.
http://www.mangatoyou.org/Naruto/45/08/

Here is a map of The Leaf pointing to the FOD&#146;s location.
http://www.exisle.net/mb/index.php?/topic/53580-naruto-rpg/

Now look at this(to the top right).



In order to get the diameter of Konoha, we use the diameter of the Forest of Death, which is 20km, in order to get the diameter. Since the crater of Konoha is indeed a circle, we will have to take the full diameter, because we are going to compare it to Chibaku Tensei’s crater, which is a full circle as well. Using a crude method (eyeballing and using a plain straight edge), I determined the size to be 56km and Tornado has the size of Konoha at 50km.

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

A Life Without Regrets wrote: Here: http://www.mangahit.com/naruto/45/8
The forest has a total of a 20 KM diameter. Konoha is ~50-60 KM.



If you are saying Konohana has a diameter of 50 KM (you are always suppose to take lower estimates. Conservatism mate). Then the radius of Konohan is 25 km. Which would mean that if assuming that Konohana is also “circular” (don’t think it is)then the area should be about: 1963.5 km^2. You’re right it is a tiny country. In our world it would be the 181st largest country larger than Comoros (1862) but smaller than Mauritius (2030).


So we will use the range, 50km - 56km for Konoha’s diameter.



We see that CT’s crater is similar sized to Konoha in the picture of Chibaku Tensei above (Konoha’s crater is on the top right of the last panel where we see Chibaku Tensei), actually a bit bigger, but for simplicity sake, we’ll make it the same as Konoha’s crater, so 50km - 56km.




A little background. Pein’s Shinra Tensei, after its use, takes 5 seconds to be used again, and this was the opening Naruto used. Pein dodges Rasenshuriken while dealing with two clones from point blank, as shown in these pictures.



However, with the background information of Shinra Tensei, we see that it takes one second for the Flying Rasenshuriken to cross the entire diameter of Chibaku Tensei.



Now, the easy part. We know it takes FRS to cross 50-56 kilometers in 1 second. According to USCS, this is the speed of sound or Mach 1. So we turn 50 - 56 km to meters, which yields 50,000 - 56,000m and divide by 344m, which yields Mach 145 - 162 at the lowest, since we know that Nagato was out of chakra, meaning Deva Path wasn’t as agile anymore and the fact that I didn’t account for the difference in the size of the craters.

Added (for people who want to know how the value was determined exactly):
So for the lowest end we have: 50,000m/344 m/s= 145.35 s The ratio is the same so, low end: mach 145.35

High end: 56,000/344= mach 162.8

The average would be 53 km (most reliable) so, 53000/344= mach 154.07.

So Pain is about mach 154.07. We can assume non edo Nagato moves at a similar speed as well.



1) http://artsites.ucsc.edu/ems/Music/tech_background/TE-01/soundSpeed.html

juniorsworld for doing the Pain’s speed feat calculation; and for proving Naruto characters hit mach 100+ earlier than previously believed.



1) Pain is around mach 150+ so we can infer that SM Naruto and non edo Nagata also have similar speeds. Hence lightning timers as well by low average showings of mach 130 to mach 180 (for lightning).
2) Naruto characters hit mach 100+ much more earlier then previously believed by many.
3) Town-City+ attacks have also been in Naruto earlier than previously known as shown by juniors scan and calculation and others.


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Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

juniorsworld wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote: @juniors pretty good: Here this is were we got leaf village to be 50 km in diameter:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

A Life Without Regrets wrote: Here: http://www.mangahit.com/naruto/45/8
The forest has a total of a 20 KM diameter. Konoha is ~50-60 KM.



If you are saying Konohana has a diameter of 50 KM (you are always suppose to take lower estimates. Conservatism mate). Then the radius of Konohan is 25 km. Which would mean that if assuming that Konohana is also “circular” (don’t think it is)then the area should be about: 1963.5 km^2. You’re right it is a tiny country. In our world it would be the 181st largest country larger than Comoros (1862) but smaller than Mauritius (2030).



It was me, ilikecookies, a life without regrets, ten tailed god, and I think jonnty6 as well can’t remember though.

And I always assume room temperature so about mach 1 = 340 m/s. But yes everything’s fine let me just touch it up a bit if you don’t mind.



I’ll add your explanation of how you got 50km into the calc.

But sure, you can touch it up.



Yea i have added that part already and just showing how you got it just in case if someone doesn’t now how to. You don’t mind if I make it a similar format that I made for the jinchirikuu calc right?



Go ahead.



Alright done let me know if anything is wrong with it on my part. I just added the credits, conclusion bits and what not.


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Hey Tornado, real quick, after I edit my calc. post, you should edit yours, because I didn’t put the Chibaku Tensei scan, so we can see the size of Konoha and CT’s craters.

Edit: Done.


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juniorsworld wrote: Hey Tornado, real quick, after I edit my calc. post, you should edit yours, because I didn’t put the Chibaku Tensei scan, so we can see the size of Konoha and CT’s craters.

Edit: Done.



okay you just added the scan right? okay cool. I will add to that then send you a pm if you are satisfied with it post it here and request jonnty6 to post it in the OP and for others to criticize it. Cause the fonts are getting smaller so I will be taking away my quotes; s its easier for others to read as well. Hold up brah.


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Ok.


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Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote: @juniors pretty good: Here this is were we got leaf village to be 50 km in diameter:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

A Life Without Regrets wrote: Here: http://www.mangahit.com/naruto/45/8
The forest has a total of a 20 KM diameter. Konoha is ~50-60 KM.



If you are saying Konohana has a diameter of 50 KM (you are always suppose to take lower estimates. Conservatism mate). Then the radius of Konohan is 25 km. Which would mean that if assuming that Konohana is also “circular” (don’t think it is)then the area should be about: 1963.5 km^2. You’re right it is a tiny country. In our world it would be the 181st largest country larger than Comoros (1862) but smaller than Mauritius (2030).



It was me, ilikecookies, a life without regrets, ten tailed god, and I think jonnty6 as well can’t remember though.

And I always assume room temperature so about mach 1 = 340 m/s. But yes everything’s fine let me just touch it up a bit if you don’t mind.

wait, isnt mach 1 = 720 m/s? or is it 720 m/h..i remember it being one of them.


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Pre-Crisis Sasuke wrote: wait, isnt mach 1 = 720 m/s? or is it 720 m/h..i remember it being one of them.



well the speed of sound changes with temperature but at room temperature its 340 m/s.

So an easy conversion trick is whenever you want to find out how many km/h in m/s is. Just multiply the m/s value by 3.6 An example:

10 m/s in km/h it is: 10*3.6= 36 km/h.

Hope this answers your questions.

juniorsworld wrote: Ok.



Done mate.


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Final Calculation. Hey jonnty, I would like this to be on the front page.

Credits to Tornado for the final edits.




Requested by N/A (no one).

Calculated by: juniorsworld
Input by: ~Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother~
Honourable mentions: jonnty6, ilikicokkies, A life without regrets
Link to calc: http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/naruto-vs-discussion-thread-how-strong-they-are-abilities-etc-291096/69#msg5614792
Page: 69
Post #: 1,366 & from 1,368 to 1,372.

Your welcome folks.

Before I start, this is a simple calculation and not meant for pixel scaling, differential equations, Coriolis effect and all that stuff. I’m also going to get a range, even though I posted that I will use an average of Tornado and my estimation for Konoha. That said, let’s get started.



Titan Maximum wrote: The tower really wasn&#146;t that huge. Plus I posted an actually map of the Leaf village pointing where the forest of death was. It&#146;s at least twice the size of the Forest of Death.

EDIT:
Here is a simplist picture of the Forest of Death.
http://www.mangatoyou.org/Naruto/45/08/

Here is a map of The Leaf pointing to the FOD&#146;s location.
http://www.exisle.net/mb/index.php?/topic/53580-naruto-rpg/

Now look at this(to the top right).



In order to get the diameter of Konoha, we use the diameter of the Forest of Death, which is 20km, in order to get the diameter. Since the crater of Konoha is indeed a circle, we will have to take the full diameter, because we are going to compare it to Chibaku Tensei’s crater, which is a full circle as well. Using a crude method (eyeballing and using a plain straight edge), I determined the size to be 56km and Tornado has the size of Konoha at 50km.

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

A Life Without Regrets wrote: Here: http://www.mangahit.com/naruto/45/8
The forest has a total of a 20 KM diameter. Konoha is ~50-60 KM.



If you are saying Konohana has a diameter of 50 KM (you are always suppose to take lower estimates. Conservatism mate). Then the radius of Konohan is 25 km. Which would mean that if assuming that Konohana is also “circular” (don’t think it is)then the area should be about: 1963.5 km^2. You’re right it is a tiny country. In our world it would be the 181st largest country larger than Comoros (1862) but smaller than Mauritius (2030).


So we will use the range, 50km - 56km for Konoha’s diameter.



We see that CT’s crater is similar sized to Konoha in the picture of Chibaku Tensei above (Konoha’s crater is on the top right of the last panel where we see Chibaku Tensei), actually a bit bigger, but for simplicity sake, we’ll make it the same as Konoha’s crater, so 50km - 56km.




A little background. Pein’s Shinra Tensei, after its use, takes 5 seconds to be used again, and this was the opening Naruto used. Pein dodges Rasenshuriken while dealing with two clones from point blank, as shown in these pictures.



However, with the background information of Shinra Tensei, we see that it takes one second for the Flying Rasenshuriken to cross the entire diameter of Chibaku Tensei.



Now, the easy part. We know it takes FRS to cross 50-56 kilometers in 1 second. According to USCS, this is the speed of sound or Mach 1. So we turn 50 - 56 km to meters, which yields 50,000 - 56,000m and divide by 344m, which yields Mach 145 - 162 at the lowest, since we know that Nagato was out of chakra, meaning Deva Path wasn’t as agile anymore and the fact that I didn’t account for the difference in the size of the craters.

Added (for people who want to know how the value was determined exactly):
So for the lowest end we have: 50,000m/344 m/s= 145.35 s The ratio is the same so, low end: mach 145.35

High end: 56,000/344= mach 162.8

The average would be 53 km (most reliable) so, 53000/344= mach 154.07.

So Pain is about mach 154.07. We can assume non edo Nagato moves at a similar speed as well.



1) http://artsites.ucsc.edu/ems/Music/tech_background/TE-01/soundSpeed.html

juniorsworld for doing the Pain’s speed feat calculation; and for proving Naruto characters hit mach 100+ earlier than previously believed.



1) Pain is around mach 150+ so we can infer that SM Naruto and non edo Nagata also have similar speeds. Hence lightning timers as well by low average showings of mach 130 to mach 180 (for lightning).
2) Naruto characters hit mach 100+ much more earlier then previously believed by many.
3) Town-City+ attacks have also been in Naruto earlier than previously known as shown by juniors scan and calculation and others.


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@juniors: Still I don’t think anyone will have a problem with more characters being mach 100+


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