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Lol who did I own??



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Raniero wrote: People who don’t know shit about Naruto of course. lol



jonnty6 wrote: Oh lol well nigga’s on MVC gotta learn about nardo somehow
I catch dat downplay from em a mile away cool lol



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Ahh well thanks for compliment lol and yeah newcomers are wanking/downplaying the shit out of nardo lately


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jonnty6 wrote: Ahh well thanks for compliment lol and yeah newcomers are wanking/downplaying the shit out of nardo lately



But isnt Naruto currently strongest out of the hst?


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Gay Lord wrote:

jonnty6 wrote: Ahh well thanks for compliment lol and yeah newcomers are wanking/downplaying the shit out of nardo lately



But isnt Naruto currently strongest out of the hst?

Chilll don’t mention that in this thread please, strictly naruto lol


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jonnty6 wrote:

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jonnty6 wrote: Ahh well thanks for compliment lol and yeah newcomers are wanking/downplaying the shit out of nardo lately



But isnt Naruto currently strongest out of the hst?

Chilll don’t mention that in this thread please, strictly naruto lol



fine buts its true regardless


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what do you guys think will happen in the fight between Rikudou and Juubi if kishi shows it? i know they’re gods in the verse but i don’t expect to see some omnipotent level attacks or haxx.


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Pre-Crisis Sasuke wrote: what do you guys think will happen in the fight between Rikudou and Juubi if kishi shows it? i know they’re gods in the verse but i don’t expect to see some omnipotent level attacks or haxx.

Omnipotent level attacks are a no-go but moon level attacks is maybe, definitely will be seeing mountains and countries being blown up imo though
I just have a scary thought of a 100% Prime Rikudo capabilities lol


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Pre-Crisis Sasuke wrote: what do you guys think will happen in the fight between Rikudou and Juubi if kishi shows it? i know they’re gods in the verse but i don’t expect to see some omnipotent level attacks or haxx.



No idea.


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jonnty6 wrote:

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jonnty6 wrote: Am I the only one that noticed Byakugo Tsunade kept up with Raikage/Oonoki combo via pincer??
she also intercepted madara’s fire style once too
And Tsunade tanked Madara’s amateratsu disc’s(Forgot what they’re called)

Also Mei took a hit from Madara’s complete susanoo glare
and her water jutsu matched madara’s fire style while it took a good handful of ninja to do this

This might actually give some other Nardo chars a good boost as well via logic and powerscaling but I’ll wait and see what you guys think



Hmmm, can I see Mei’s tanking feat and Tsunade’s as well?

SHe didn’t necassarily “Tank” it per say but she sure as hell wasn’t down for the count like average ninja would be




Complete susanoo also had enough potency to tear through Gaara’s sand via susanoo sword, same sand that tanked a town buster
Tsunade broke that sword in her byakugo form



And here is tsunade’s tanking feat




Those were the same disc’s with potency that could almost get through Gaara’s and Oonoki’s Sand/Rock Golem shield


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jonnty6 wrote:

jonnty6 wrote:

superfreshbiltz. wrote:

jonnty6 wrote: Am I the only one that noticed Byakugo Tsunade kept up with Raikage/Oonoki combo via pincer??
she also intercepted madara’s fire style once too
And Tsunade tanked Madara’s amateratsu disc’s(Forgot what they’re called)

Also Mei took a hit from Madara’s complete susanoo glare
and her water jutsu matched madara’s fire style while it took a good handful of ninja to do this

This might actually give some other Nardo chars a good boost as well via logic and powerscaling but I’ll wait and see what you guys think



Hmmm, can I see Mei’s tanking feat and Tsunade’s as well?

SHe didn’t necassarily “Tank” it per say but she sure as hell wasn’t down for the count like average ninja would be




Complete susanoo also had enough potency to tear through Gaara’s sand via susanoo sword, same sand that tanked a town buster
Tsunade broke that sword in her byakugo form



And here is tsunade’s tanking feat




Those were the same disc’s with potency that could almost get through Gaara’s and Oonoki’s Sand/Rock Golem shield


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Was it implied that the 3rd Raikage is slower than the 4th, because I think it’s the opposite. I mean SM Naruto only dodged him due to extremely acute sensing.

And since he dodged FRS, the calc. I posted, he should be MHS, don’t you think?


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Oops, I mean he was implied to be the same speed as A.

Plus, he dodged FRS the first time, when the sun was in his eyes.

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juniorsworld wrote:

jonnty6 wrote:

jonnty6 wrote:

superfreshbiltz. wrote:

jonnty6 wrote: Am I the only one that noticed Byakugo Tsunade kept up with Raikage/Oonoki combo via pincer??
she also intercepted madara’s fire style once too
And Tsunade tanked Madara’s amateratsu disc’s(Forgot what they’re called)

Also Mei took a hit from Madara’s complete susanoo glare
and her water jutsu matched madara’s fire style while it took a good handful of ninja to do this

This might actually give some other Nardo chars a good boost as well via logic and powerscaling but I’ll wait and see what you guys think



Hmmm, can I see Mei’s tanking feat and Tsunade’s as well?

SHe didn’t necassarily “Tank” it per say but she sure as hell wasn’t down for the count like average ninja would be




Complete susanoo also had enough potency to tear through Gaara’s sand via susanoo sword, same sand that tanked a town buster
Tsunade broke that sword in her byakugo form



And here is tsunade’s tanking feat




Those were the same disc’s with potency that could almost get through Gaara’s and Oonoki’s Sand/Rock Golem shield


Speaking on the subject
you guys can check this out now and see if it’s good so far
http://jonnty6.wikispaces.com/

Complaints, disagreements are always welcome



Was it implied that the 3rd Raikage is slower than the 4th, because I think it’s the opposite. I mean SM Naruto only dodged him due to extremely acute sensing.

And since he dodged FRS, the calc. I posted, he should be MHS, don’t you think?

The whole Sage Naruto thing was practically the one reason I assumed he was slightly slower, RM naruto essentially blitzed once that FRS came back towards him, 3rd was too slow to react then
When on the other hand Partial lightning armored raikage was keeping the same speed as RM Naruto
But I do see your point though lol I’ll keep messing around with it then and look back in the manga

The way I always thought of the two
Speed
4th>3rd
Power
3rd>4th

And while your FRS calc is good I personally don’t think 3rd was that fast, 4th is a possibility via reaction(His reaction speed should be equal to if not slightly slower that Base minato I think)


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Calculated by: ~Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother~

Link: http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/naruto-vs-discussion-thread-how-strong-they-are-abilities-etc-291096/66#msg5610146
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Alright then this was a bit annoying but I am finally done it. First of all those Bijju bombs aren’t spherical (similar) but ellipsoids which is a fancy term for a sphere which has been stretched along its diameter. So it becomes oblique.

Also since the Bijuu Bomb has shown to be half an Ellipsoid we will be using this equation:

v=2/3*pi*abc Full ellipsoid: v=4/3*pi*abc

Were c is the diameter, b is the cross sectional distance (what you can call “length”wink and a is the height.

And since we know that the B.B. is at least powerful enough to destroy the leaf village we will be using those dimensions as calculated in this thread:

http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/juubi-respect-thread-293771/

- On the last 2 pages of the thread I believe.

So we get c=50 km, b= 20 km, a=10 km. (a was gotten from the proportion that it rises as compared to the base of the BB. This is more noticeable for the BB’s in the background).

Edit: Also assuming that the average of all the BB from the various tailed beasts equals out.
Also the tailed beasts in question are:
4tails, 2 tails, 6 tails, 7 tails, and 3 tails.



Going off by panel we can see that most in the back ground are about 1/8th the size of BB while some are 1/3rd of BB and 2 about 2/3 of BB. So to calculate the approximate average mountain size I’ll be using the 1/3 value.

1 meter = 3.281 feet and 1000 meters = 1 Kilometer.

So the height of the mountain(s) are: 1/3(10 km)= 3.3 km = 10,936.7 feet

The base of the mountain(s) are: 1/3(50)= 16.7 km = 54,683.3 feet.

Since mountains are cone shaped ideally we will use the cone formula for the approximate volume for the mountain(s).

v=1/3*pi*r^2*h.

So in this case r=d/2=50/2=25 km and h=3.3 km So,

v=1/3*pi*(25)^2*3.3= 2,159.845 km^3

So the total volume of the mountains is 5v (since 5 were fired from the Jinchrikuus): 5v= 10,799.225 km^3.



Now to calculate the volume of the BB going by the dimensions mentioned earlier.

V=2/3*pi*abc=2/3*pi*(10)(20)(50)= 20,943.951 km^3

So the total volume is 5V which is:

5*20,943.951 km^3= 104,719.755 km^3.



So the attack potency of each single BB is at least equivalent to multi-mountain. I can get more accurate values if someone knows the chemical potential energy of the explosives used in mining for minerals from mountains in RL. Thanks.



Lastly on the panel it showed 5 BB. So the total damage in volume is 5V= 104,719.755 km^3= 343,585,516.155 feet^3.

So assuming that all happened in 5 seconds (firing 1 BB per second) then the speed of the Tailed Beasts' BB would be:

*mach 1 = 340.29 m/s*

5(50 km)/ 5 s= 50 km/s= 50,000 m/s = Mach 146.9335 (at the very least). So this is truly MHS.



Now if you guys want to find the attack potency (w/o chemical potential) I am going to need the average mean density of the Earth and use the equation V= M/D.

Since we have the volume of the mountain already all we need is the density to find the mass. Which is 5.515 g/cm3 or 5515 kg/m^3.

1 km^3= 1,000,000,000 m^3 [B/c 1 km=1000 m. So (1 km)^3= (1000 m)^3]

d= 5515 kg//^3 v=2159.845 km^3 = 2,159,845,000,000 m^3

So M=DV= 5515 kg/m^3*2,159,845,000,000 m^3

M= 11,911,545,175,000,000 kg= 11,911,545,175,000 tons

M= 11.9 trillion tons (apx.)

So the total mass eradicated by the 5 BBs is 5M which is:

Total M= 59,557,725,875,000,000 kg= 59,557,725,875,000 tons

T. M= 59.56 trillion tons.



So the momentum behind each BB is:

p=mv= 11,911,545,175,000,000 kg* 50,000 m/s (equals)
p= 595,577,258,750,000,000,000 kg*m/s = 595.6 quintillion kg*m/s (apx.)

So the total momentum is 5p which is:

595.6 quintillion kg*m/s*5= 2,978 quintillion kg*m/s = 3 sextillion kg*m/s.




Now before we calculate the force behind each BB we need the acceleration. Earlier on we assumed this all happened in t= 5 seconds. Therefore:

a=v/t= 50,000 m/s / 5 s = 10,000 m/s^2

f=ma= 11,911,545,175,000,000 kg*10,000 m/s^2 (equals)
f= 119,115,451,750,000,000,000 N = 119.1 quintillion N (apx.)


So the total force of the BBs is 5f:

Total f= 5*119.1 quintillion N= 59,557,725,875,000,000,000 N
T. f= 59.56 quintillion N.




Sources:

The method used to calculate the mountains mass is known as “Schiehallion experiment” and can be studied more in depth by this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schiehallion_experiment

Also the values for the mean density of Earth and such can be Googled or be found on Wikipedia or the physics hyper text book.

Edit: Here is the image of the feat in question:





Credits:
Special thanks to @Johnny6 who took the time to read it and critique it. Also for the scans, labeling errors, and helpful assumptions. Not to mention helping me update this continuously.

Also when ever you see the Juubi come up ( I may have missed some) just replace it with Jinchrikuus (or however they are spelt) or the Tailed beasts. Also for the scans, base assumptions, and helpful interpretations.

@ilikeCookies for the help reinforce Johnny6.



So we know that the combined powers of the tailed beasts was able to eradicate tens of trillions of tons, it’s projectiles can go up to mach 140+ to mach 147 speeds, and is quintillions in force and momentum. Which is equivalent to destroying small countries(s).


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Edited the dead link from the calc in the OP; for the images and touched up on the conclusion thanks to what you said a bit earlier in the thread jonnty.

Sorry about this jonnty I know this is a hassle but could you replace this with the one we currently have in the OP? Right after I add the link and post # to it.

Edit: It’s done. Thanks jonnty.

2nd edit: You can go over it again if you like but I won’t nag you over it if you feel anything is a miss. I just want to do this again b/c you brought up alot of good things in the vs threads. So you may have gained some further insight and might find some flaws to it that you didn’t the first time.

Thanks I will start on the juubi calcs after I finish the 3 that are in line right now.


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Shouldn’t Naruto be a Island buster, Bret ?

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jonnty6 wrote:

juniorsworld wrote:

jonnty6 wrote:

jonnty6 wrote:

superfreshbiltz. wrote:

jonnty6 wrote: Am I the only one that noticed Byakugo Tsunade kept up with Raikage/Oonoki combo via pincer??
she also intercepted madara’s fire style once too
And Tsunade tanked Madara’s amateratsu disc’s(Forgot what they’re called)

Also Mei took a hit from Madara’s complete susanoo glare
and her water jutsu matched madara’s fire style while it took a good handful of ninja to do this

This might actually give some other Nardo chars a good boost as well via logic and powerscaling but I’ll wait and see what you guys think



Hmmm, can I see Mei’s tanking feat and Tsunade’s as well?

SHe didn’t necassarily “Tank” it per say but she sure as hell wasn’t down for the count like average ninja would be

[img]http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/739/338825/9.jpg[/img]


[img]http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/739/338825/11.jpg[/img]



Complete susanoo also had enough potency to tear through Gaara’s sand via susanoo sword, same sand that tanked a town buster
Tsunade broke that sword in her byakugo form

[img]http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/739/262681/6.jpg[/img]



And here is tsunade’s tanking feat

[img]http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/739/262681/7.jpg[/img]


[img]http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/739/262681/8.jpg[/img]



Those were the same disc’s with potency that could almost get through Gaara’s and Oonoki’s Sand/Rock Golem shield

[img]http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/739/210235/10.jpg[/img]


[img]http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/739/210235/11.jpg[/img]

Speaking on the subject
you guys can check this out now and see if it’s good so far
[url]http://jonnty6.wikispaces.com/[/url]

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Was it implied that the 3rd Raikage is slower than the 4th, because I think it’s the opposite. I mean SM Naruto only dodged him due to extremely acute sensing.

And since he dodged FRS, the calc. I posted, he should be MHS, don’t you think?

The whole Sage Naruto thing was practically the one reason I assumed he was slightly slower, RM naruto essentially blitzed once that FRS came back towards him, 3rd was too slow to react then
When on the other hand Partial lightning armored raikage was keeping the same speed as RM Naruto
But I do see your point though lol I’ll keep messing around with it then and look back in the manga

The way I always thought of the two
Speed
4th>3rd
Power
3rd>4th

And while your FRS calc is good I personally don’t think 3rd was that fast, 4th is a possibility via reaction(His reaction speed should be equal to if not slightly slower that Base minato I think)



Sorry, look at the post I posted as a guest, when Naruto implied they were the same speed.

When RM Naruto got to his back, it was after he just dodged FRS.

@Tornado
What do you think of the calc (simple) I did on page 66 or 67?

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@juniors: We are on page 66 and there isn’t a page 67 yet. Link for it please? Then I can give my input on it.

And btw if you want to check out my incomplete calc (I wouldn’t recommend it but its on page 281 n the dbz discussion thread I’m still working on it though).


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Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote: @juniors: We are on page 66 and there isn’t a page 67 yet. Link for it please? Then I can give my input on it.

And btw if you want to check out my incomplete calc (I wouldn’t recommend it but its on page 281 n the dbz discussion thread I’m still working on it though).



Oops, I derped.

Posts 1244 and 1245

Oh, and I misread. The Forest of Death’s diameter is 20km.


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tornado wrote: Edited the dead link from the calc in the OP; for the images and touched up on the conclusion thanks to what you said a bit earlier in the thread jonnty.

Sorry about this jonnty I know this is a hassle but could you replace this with the one we currently have in the OP? Right after I add the link and post # to it.

Edit: Itís done. Thanks jonnty.

2nd edit: YOu cna go over it again if you like but I wonít nag you over it if you feel anything is a miss. I just want to do this again b/c you brought up alot of good things in the vs threads. So you may have gained some further insight and might find some flaws to it that you didnít the first time.

Thanks I will start on the juubi calcs after I finish the 3 that are in line right now

Sure I’ll replace it no prob

junior wrote: Sorry, look at the post I posted as a guest, when Naruto implied they were the same speed.

When RM Naruto got to his back, it was after he just dodged FRS.

Ahh yes you’re right misinterpreted the scenario on my part lol my bad

King louie wrote: Shouldnít Naruto be a Island buster, Bret ?

Ehh I gave him Small Island because I don’t think that Bijuu bomb was on par with juubi’s casual one but I’ll look at it again and mess around some more


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juniorsworld wrote:

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote: @juniors: We are on page 66 and there isn’t a page 67 yet. Link for it please? Then I can give my input on it.

And btw if you want to check out my incomplete calc (I wouldn’t recommend it but its on page 281 n the dbz discussion thread I’m still working on it though).



Oops, I derped.

Posts 1244 and 1245

Oh, and I misread. The Forest of Death’s diameter is 20km.



Everything looks fine to me but I got 50 km if you are using Konohano as a reference its diameter is 50 km I believe will ahve to look back I have it in there.

So 50 km in 1 second. This implies that v=50,000 m/s which is about mach 147.06 a bit faster than the BB’s of the Jinchirikuus which is almost mach 147.

Edit: Also both of these speed feats kind of make my earlier assumption seem more solid. That Pain, jinchirikuus should be about mach 147 top speed. Along with other elite tiers in Naruto.

The top tiers should be in th 147-180+ range and the nigh god tiers for now unknown.


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