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All Naruto vs discussion is to be limited to this thread its only purpose is to discuss powers abilities and anything vs related to Naruto only.

Any mention of other series in a vs manner will result in a ban from vs general.

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Jonnty6’s Wiki(Not complete, still messing around with a few characters, opinions and disagreements are always welcome)
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Awesome calc by Tornado

Requested by ilikeCookies.

Calculated by: ~Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother~

Link: http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/naruto-vs-discussion-thread-how-strong-they-are-abilities-etc-291096/66#msg5610146
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Alright then this was a bit annoying but I am finally done it. First of all those Bijju bombs aren’t spherical (similar) but ellipsoids which is a fancy term for a sphere which has been stretched along its diameter. So it becomes oblique.

Also since the Bijuu Bomb has shown to be half an Ellipsoid we will be using this equation:

v=2/3*pi*abc Full ellipsoid: v=4/3*pi*abc

Were c is the diameter, b is the cross sectional distance (what you can call “length”wink and a is the height.

And since we know that the B.B. is at least powerful enough to destroy the leaf village we will be using those dimensions as calculated in this thread:

http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/juubi-respect-thread-293771/

- On the last 2 pages of the thread I believe.

So we get c=50 km, b= 20 km, a=10 km. (a was gotten from the proportion that it rises as compared to the base of the BB. This is more noticeable for the BB’s in the background).

Edit: Also assuming that the average of all the BB from the various tailed beasts equals out.
Also the tailed beasts in question are:
4tails, 2 tails, 6 tails, 7 tails, and 3 tails.



Going off by panel we can see that most in the back ground are about 1/8th the size of BB while some are 1/3rd of BB and 2 about 2/3 of BB. So to calculate the approximate average mountain size I’ll be using the 1/3 value.

1 meter = 3.281 feet and 1000 meters = 1 Kilometer.

So the height of the mountain(s) are: 1/3(10 km)= 3.3 km = 10,936.7 feet

The base of the mountain(s) are: 1/3(50)= 16.7 km = 54,683.3 feet.

Since mountains are cone shaped ideally we will use the cone formula for the approximate volume for the mountain(s).

v=1/3*pi*r^2*h.

So in this case r=d/2=50/2=25 km and h=3.3 km So,

v=1/3*pi*(25)^2*3.3= 2,159.845 km^3

So the total volume of the mountains is 5v (since 5 were fired from the Jinchrikuus): 5v= 10,799.225 km^3.



Now to calculate the volume of the BB going by the dimensions mentioned earlier.

V=2/3*pi*abc=2/3*pi*(10)(20)(50)= 20,943.951 km^3

So the total volume is 5V which is:

5*20,943.951 km^3= 104,719.755 km^3.



So the attack potency of each single BB is at least equivalent to multi-mountain. I can get more accurate values if someone knows the chemical potential energy of the explosives used in mining for minerals from mountains in RL. Thanks.



Lastly on the panel it showed 5 BB. So the total damage in volume is 5V= 104,719.755 km^3= 343,585,516.155 feet^3.

So assuming that all happened in 5 seconds (firing 1 BB per second) then the speed of the Tailed Beasts' BB would be:

*mach 1 = 340.29 m/s*

5(50 km)/ 5 s= 50 km/s= 50,000 m/s = Mach 146.9335 (at the very least). So this is truly MHS.



Now if you guys want to find the attack potency (w/o chemical potential) I am going to need the average mean density of the Earth and use the equation V= M/D.

Since we have the volume of the mountain already all we need is the density to find the mass. Which is 5.515 g/cm3 or 5515 kg/m^3.

1 km^3= 1,000,000,000 m^3 [B/c 1 km=1000 m. So (1 km)^3= (1000 m)^3]

d= 5515 kg//^3 v=2159.845 km^3 = 2,159,845,000,000 m^3

So M=DV= 5515 kg/m^3*2,159,845,000,000 m^3

M= 11,911,545,175,000,000 kg= 11,911,545,175,000 tons

M= 11.9 trillion tons (apx.)

So the total mass eradicated by the 5 BBs is 5M which is:

Total M= 59,557,725,875,000,000 kg= 59,557,725,875,000 tons

T. M= 59.56 trillion tons.



So the momentum behind each BB is:

p=mv= 11,911,545,175,000,000 kg* 50,000 m/s (equals)
p= 595,577,258,750,000,000,000 kg*m/s = 595.6 quintillion kg*m/s (apx.)

So the total momentum is 5p which is:

595.6 quintillion kg*m/s*5= 2,978 quintillion kg*m/s = 3 sextillion kg*m/s.




Now before we calculate the force behind each BB we need the acceleration. Earlier on we assumed this all happened in t= 5 seconds. Therefore:

a=v/t= 50,000 m/s / 5 s = 10,000 m/s^2

f=ma= 11,911,545,175,000,000 kg*10,000 m/s^2 (equals)
f= 119,115,451,750,000,000,000 N = 119.1 quintillion N (apx.)


So the total force of the BBs is 5f:

Total f= 5*119.1 quintillion N= 59,557,725,875,000,000,000 N
T. f= 59.56 quintillion N.




Sources:

The method used to calculate the mountains mass is known as “Schiehallion experiment” and can be studied more in depth by this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schiehallion_experiment

Also the values for the mean density of Earth and such can be Googled or be found on Wikipedia or the physics hyper text book.

Edit: Here is the image of the feat in question:





Credits:
Special thanks to @Johnny6 who took the time to read it and critique it. Also for the scans, labeling errors, and helpful assumptions. Not to mention helping me update this continuously.

Also when ever you see the Juubi come up ( I may have missed some) just replace it with Jinchrikuus (or however they are spelt) or the Tailed beasts. Also for the scans, base assumptions, and helpful interpretations.

@ilikeCookies for the help reinforce Johnny6.



So we know that the combined powers of the tailed beasts was able to eradicate tens of trillions of tons, it’s projectiles can go up to mach 140+ to mach 147 speeds, and is quintillions in force and momentum. Which is equivalent to destroying small countries(s).



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Link to calc: http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/naruto-vs-discussion-thread-how-strong-they-are-abilities-etc-291096/69#msg5614792
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Your welcome folks.

Before I start, this is a simple calculation and not meant for pixel scaling, differential equations, Coriolis effect and all that stuff. I’m also going to get a range, even though I posted that I will use an average of Tornado and my estimation for Konoha. That said, let’s get started.



Titan Maximum wrote: The tower really wasn’t that huge. Plus I posted an actually map of the Leaf village pointing where the forest of death was. It’s at least twice the size of the Forest of Death.

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Here is a simplist picture of the Forest of Death.
http://www.mangatoyou.org/Naruto/45/08/

Here is a map of The Leaf pointing to the FOD’s location.
http://www.exisle.net/mb/index.php?/topic/53580-naruto-rpg/

Now look at this(to the top right).



In order to get the diameter of Konoha, we use the diameter of the Forest of Death, which is 20km, in order to get the diameter. Since the crater of Konoha is indeed a circle, we will have to take the full diameter, because we are going to compare it to Chibaku Tensei’s crater, which is a full circle as well. Using a crude method (eyeballing and using a plain straight edge), I determined the size to be 56km and Tornado has the size of Konoha at 50km.

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote:

A Life Without Regrets wrote: Here: http://www.mangahit.com/naruto/45/8
The forest has a total of a 20 KM diameter. Konoha is ~50-60 KM.



If you are saying Konohana has a diameter of 50 KM (you are always suppose to take lower estimates. Conservatism mate). Then the radius of Konohan is 25 km. Which would mean that if assuming that Konohana is also “circular” (don’t think it is)then the area should be about: 1963.5 km^2. You’re right it is a tiny country. In our world it would be the 181st largest country larger than Comoros (1862) but smaller than Mauritius (2030).


So we will use the range, 50km - 56km for Konoha’s diameter.



We see that CT’s crater is similar sized to Konoha in the picture of Chibaku Tensei above (Konoha’s crater is on the top right of the last panel where we see Chibaku Tensei), actually a bit bigger, but for simplicity sake, we’ll make it the same as Konoha’s crater, so 50km - 56km.




A little background. Pein’s Shinra Tensei, after its use, takes 5 seconds to be used again, and this was the opening Naruto used. Pein dodges Rasenshuriken while dealing with two clones from point blank, as shown in these pictures.



However, with the background information of Shinra Tensei, we see that it takes one second for the Flying Rasenshuriken to cross the entire diameter of Chibaku Tensei.



Now, the easy part. We know it takes FRS to cross 50-56 kilometers in 1 second. According to USCS, this is the speed of sound or Mach 1. So we turn 50 - 56 km to meters, which yields 50,000 - 56,000m and divide by 344m, which yields Mach 145 - 162 at the lowest, since we know that Nagato was out of chakra, meaning Deva Path wasn’t as agile anymore and the fact that I didn’t account for the difference in the size of the craters.

Added (for people who want to know how the value was determined exactly):
So for the lowest end we have: 50,000m/344 m/s= 145.35 s The ratio is the same so, low end: mach 145.35

High end: 56,000/344= mach 162.8

The average would be 53 km (most reliable) so, 53000/344= mach 154.07.

So Pain is about mach 154.07. We can assume non edo Nagato moves at a similar speed as well.



1) http://artsites.ucsc.edu/ems/Music/tech_background/TE-01/soundSpeed.html

juniorsworld for doing the Pain’s speed feat calculation; and for proving Naruto characters hit mach 100+ earlier than previously believed.



1) Pain is around mach 150+ so we can infer that SM Naruto and non edo Nagata also have similar speeds. Hence lightning timers as well by low average showings of mach 130 to mach 180 (for lightning).
2) Naruto characters hit mach 100+ much more earlier then previously believed by many.
3) Town-City+ attacks have also been in Naruto earlier than previously known as shown by juniors scan and calculation and others.



Standout feats and explanations.

So let’s revisit how powerful Rasengan truly is.

We’ll use Naruto’s first Rasengan and then, we can scale our way up.

Naruto’s first good Rasengan hits Kabuto here.
Kabuto explains his abilities and we get an idea that this is an internal attack. Yet, even after all that, Kabuto goes bye-bye for a while.

Now, let’s compare it with Post time skip KN3’s shockwave. Yes, that’s KN3.

A quick note. It would be hard to prove Kabuto got any stronger in the time-skip to the point he got hit by KN3’s shockwave, since he had to take care of Oro’s body and his experiments while Oro was incapacitated. Little time for practice.

Here and here, we see Kabuto is essentially one-shotted by just KN3’s chakra wave and lies down for a while.
However, Kabuto lied down for a longer time after taking KN3’s wave.

From this we can see that Naruto’s initial Rasengan is comparable to post-time skip KN3’s wave, but a bit weaker.

And we have even stronger forms of Rasengan that puts the initial Rasengan to shame, even in Pt. 1, much less Pt. 2.

Then we have the fact that Cho Odama Rasengan is mountain level per the databook.



juniorsworld wrote: Let’s look at Perfect Susanoo’s size.

Here, we see how big the trees are from Madara’s Mokuton. You can even say the tallest trees would be 1/4th the size of Madara’s “meteor”.


To get a better Idea of how big the plants are, look how big Madara’s incomplete Susanoo is compared to the Kages. That’s a couple of stories right there, maybe 7. But look at how small it is compared to The World of Flowering Advent.

Now, in this picture of Perfect Susanoo, those big branches you saw thinner than PS' clogs or shoes. Not to mention it is taller than Madara’s meteor.

Remember how you can see those Meteors from miles away?

Needless to say, both PS and Madara’s meteor are taller than a mountain.


Let’s start with AIDB’sour favorite character, Itachi. He was able to survive Kirin, a mountain buster, thanks to his Susanoo ribs blocking out Kirin.


Bu but juniors, how do we know that it wasn’t full Susanoo? Well, if it was, the Yata mirror would have reflected that attack, or at the very least, Itachi wouldn’t have been as damaged.

Bu but juniors, how do we know Kirin is a mountain buster? Well, kids,



Consider the size of the average pine tree, which are typical forest trees, which are 40-60 ft. Of course, they are bigger, if you consider the next image.





Sasuke, that small black spot on top of the huge pillar, can barely be seen and he’s 168cm (5.5ft) per the databook in Pt. II. (he’s real short)

So those trees would be larger than the average, seeing as how...



So, yes, it’s a mountain, albeit small, compared to the monster mountains we know of.
However, Itachi was scarred considerably so we know some of the heat and force hit him, therefore, his Susanoo ribs were destroyed but managed to protect him. So its ribs max durability is small mountain level.

Now, Gai’s AT completely obliterated Madara’s Complete Susanoo, at base, while he was weakened.




As we already know, Madara’s chakra is much more sinister and powerful that Itachi’s thus even his Susanoo ribs > Itachi’s. And we see this as it takes several physical attacks from all Kages to do simply break it, not vaporize, Cho Odama Rasengan, which is said to hollow a mountain (whatever the size, we don’t know) didn’t crack it.

How much more powerful would it be, juniors? 2? What?! Sure, it’s just twice as powerful, if you’re Crayons and want to downplay all hell. But if you’re reasonable, you would guess Madara’s Susanoo’s ribs would be 3+ times more durable.

But this is his Complete Susanoo form:

. And we can downplay and say it’s only 10x more durable than his ribcage, but even if, that’s multi-mountain or mountain range level. However, being reasonable, it’s at least, mountain range level, as we’ve downplayed it.

But Gai wipes it out at base, while injured and nearly out of chakra. That would easily put AT at mountain range +, at its weakest. So at its most powerful, even if you downplay and say it’s 2 times stronger, at most, that’s island+, as a mountain range is comparable to a small island.



Let’s start with Complete Susanoo. From here, we see that Madara’s Complete Susanoo was only frustrated from Tenpenchii and tanked it.

And from this quote, we can see that Tenpenchii turned an island + area into a crater:

Man of Sin wrote: This attack changed the landscape from this.



To this. Just look at the size of that crater.



So this puts Complete Susanoo at island + level durability. Why am I talking about Complete Susanoo? Well, to scale Hashirama’s Shinsusenju arms (just one of those arms) striking force, we’ll need Complete Susanoo.

Now, one of Hashirama’s Buddha Statue’s arms would completely destroy Complete Susanoo, putting it at easily mid island level. For those guys (trying not to be rude since there’s no way you can dispute Shinsusenjuu > Complete Susanoo) who would love to dispute this, consider these:

1. A weakened Tsunade managed to knock down one of Madara’s clones' Complete Susanoo. How much more will one of Shinsusenjuu’s arms smash it?

2. Onoki’s weaker Jinton completely obliterated Incomplete Susanoo, who’s only missing a layer of chakra from Complete Susanoo. Also, his bigger Jinton wiped out 25 of those Incomplete Susanoo at one go, but was nothing more than a speck of dust compared to Perfect Susanoo. Hence Complete Susanoo is next to nothing compared to Perfect Susanoo.

Now, that’s out of the way, I hope, we now see each of those arms > Complete Susanoo who survived Tenpenchii, therefore each of those arms are > mid island level in striking potency.

Now, we see here when Hashirama uses his 1000 arm technique, there are about 10 hands that are destroyed by Madara’s PS Kyuubi’s BBs, thus about 990 of those punches smacked this guy. Not to mention, the previously shot BBs exploded on both of PS Kyuubi and Shinsuusenju: here and here.

But clearly as we saw above, only half of Perfect Susanoo was destroyed.

Conclusion: it took ~990 mid island + punches and about 10 Prime Kyuubi Susanoo enhanced BBs to get rid of half of Perfect Susanoo.



Mu wrote: Nardo chars cant take bullets? Madara would no sell this attack in base casually.

NINJUTSU; Suiton: Teppoudama (Water Release: Gunshot)
User: Gamabunta
Offensive; Close, Medium, Long ranges; Rank: C



One kneads up chakra, converts it into Water, and then spits it out in the form of condensated balls...! Indeed, the high-speed waterball attack possesses just as much power to kill and main as an actual gunshot!! While this is a Suiton jutsu, it can still be employed someplace where no water is available, which is a great advantage. It’s also possible to increase the power of destruction of the balls themselves by building up the chakra inside of them.



-A watery supra-cannonball!!

-A life-threatening shot straight at the enemy!!

Picture comments

-The number of bullets is determined while kneading chakra!

-Watery cannonballs are propelled from the Toad Boss' huge mouth. Their dimensions are extremely large in scale, akin to those of a small cliff!! By taking advantage of gravity, they brutally increase in power





Noteworthy Links.
Post 4097. Response to some general speed claims.





Alright kids strictly NARUTO!


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Redx wrote: Jonnty you should probably link some of your respect threads on the front page of this one.

That’s actually a good idea I’ll do that now lol


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So how fast do you guys think Naruto characters are?

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ILikecookies... wrote: Did you guys read Kishi’s One Shot, Mario, yet? I liked it.


Totally on topic bro.

So how fast do you guys think Naruto characters are?

I’d have to say around mach 20ish and beyond.


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Hmmm well I can tell you that sasuke is def hypersonic by now that’s for sure


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jonnty6 wrote: Hmmm well I can tell you that sasuke is def hypersonic by now that’s for sure

Obviously. Thats just common sense at this point.


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Yeah lol Juugo is pretty quick too believe it or not hypersonic reactions and possible hypersonic travel speed as well I’ve just noticed


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Rainbow Undead wrote: who ese thinks Sasuke is just as strong s current naruto?

He probably is tbh he hasn’t shown DC close to naruto currently but he is nearly as fast if not faster than RM naruto


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Rainbow Undead wrote: who ese thinks Sasuke is just as strong s current naruto?

He probably is tbh he hasn’t shown DC close to naruto currently but he is nearly as fast if not faster than RM naruto



DC doesnt mean jack shit, especially in naruto

Obito has almost no huge DC feats yet he solos naruto kakashi gai and bee


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Xenosaga Demonbane wrote:

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Xenosaga Demonbane wrote: Why do all narutards assume that just because naruto survived a bijuu bomb means he can survive an attack that has shown less AOE destruction?
I highly doubt naruto could easily tank dangai ichigos swing.

Just couldn’t do it huh......


Give me naruto tanking millions of tons of weight and Ill give it to him

When I said “Just couldn’t do it huh” I meant you couldn’t stop yourself from mentioning another verse and staying on topic


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Made the first page. And I also agree that Naruto characters are hypersonic+.


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Stardust wrote: Made the first page. And I also agree that Naruto characters are hypersonic+.


Stardust is here, now its a party
where would you rank their striking/lifting?


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Stardust wrote: Made the first page. And I also agree that Naruto characters are hypersonic+.

yeah by now most of them are hypersonic to hypersonic+


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why didnt gaara when he turned to the beast used bijuu bomb? i mean every bijuu should be able to do1

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Stardust wrote: Made the first page. And I also agree that Naruto characters are hypersonic+.


Stardust is here, now its a party
where would you rank their striking/lifting?

Pre Time Skip Sasuke was able to KO a large bear during the chunin exams and Sakura was able to punch through bedrock Post Time Skip. And on the lifting, Sage Mode Naruto was able to lift and throw a rhino meters up in the air. And note, that rhino was easily able to smash through a large building and is bigger than a typical rhino. And also, he was able to lift and throw Kurama which could possiblly be a class 100 feat.


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