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Alpha and Omega wrote: Light speed has been debunked by Itachi unable to react to 1000th of a second and the raikage one of the fastest character being lightning speed.

Top tiers are not even 4 digits, only person I see 4 digits is 8th gate MightooooooooooooooGai

itachi was blind,injured and dying of AIDS and he still managed to block it


A is many times slower than any god tier



Problem is, Sasuke strongest attack was lightning only moving 1000th of a second, and Itachi regardless of his position >>>>>>> Sasuke from part 1, LS is bullshit

yea the only people that might be LS are the god tiers

Haku already stated that he was much slower when sasuke hit him



Doesn’t matter, Sasuke whatever position is not above Itachi in his position, and no, no one in Naruto verse is light speed or even close, highest is Mightoooooo Gai and he is properly 4 digits

not sure what you mean with the sasuke itachi stuff

Naruto has a feat off dodging a “lightspeed” attack so its not impossible



If there lightspeed why are they still not able to dodge knives?

they dodge knives all the time

Also I’m talking about so6p naruto


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ssjgoolong wrote: naruto has waaaaaaay too many low end sped feats to even consider that it’s actually ftl.

This.


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The biggest speed inconsistency I remember is Sasuke somehow equaling Naruto in speed during the fight with Obito despite previously being slower than A and Naruto having gotten a major powerup that made him the current fastest living shinobi. Between the Kage Summit and the fight with Obito/Madara I don’t remember Sasuke getting any type of powerup besides EMS which doesn’t do Anything for his raw speed besides increase his reaction time. Am i forgetting about something or eggs what?


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Naruto, sasuke, kaguya, and possibly toneri are faster than gai.

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AlwaysOriginal12 wrote: The biggest speed inconsistency I remember is Sasuke somehow equaling Naruto in speed during the fight with Obito despite previously being slower than A and Naruto having gotten a major powerup that made him the current fastest living shinobi. Between the Kage Summit and the fight with Obito/Madara I don’t remember Sasuke getting any type of powerup besides EMS which doesn’t do Anything for his raw speed besides increase his reaction time. Am i forgetting about something or eggs what?


What inconsistency?? Sasuke was never slower than the “A” what are you saying. Did you forget he evaded an attack and attack him at the same time. Later on in the fight he was suffering from side effects of using Susanoo and Amaterasu and he explained he pain of using Susanoo.

How about Sasuke was always faster than Naruto or on par.

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AlwaysOriginal12 wrote: The biggest speed inconsistency I remember is Sasuke somehow equaling Naruto in speed during the fight with Obito despite previously being slower than A and Naruto having gotten a major powerup that made him the current fastest living shinobi. Between the Kage Summit and the fight with Obito/Madara I don’t remember Sasuke getting any type of powerup besides EMS which doesn’t do Anything for his raw speed besides increase his reaction time. Am i forgetting about something or eggs what?

sharingan upgrades boost chakra and chakra can be used to increase speed

His susanoo also became faster

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Sharingan does not boost chakra

unless it evolved again...


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Solar system sized naruto planet explains it all.

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UltmateBROS25 wrote:

Kotei no Hosoku wrote:

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UltmateBROS25 wrote: If Kishimoto intended it, Naruto characters should very easily be MFTL+++++.
But they aren’t.

We all know Haku was light speed in his ice mirror technique.
And a half-dead Sasuke reacted to that speed with his first-stage sharingans.
So Sasuke has light speed reaction and this is only beginning of series Sasuke.
Then Lee came around, and no matter what Sasuke did he couldn’t react to Lee’s taijutsu. This makes Lee FTL.
Jounin in Naruto were FTL. Itachi did a water bullet technique in which the database says shoots bullets at light speed and Kakashi easily reacted to it and weaved his own jutsu to block it.
So then wtf Kage should all be MFTL.
The only logical explaination to this is that all the characters are FTL but in the Narutoverse it’s considered normal speed so Kishimoto doesn’t have to emphasize it.
The more likely explanation is that Kishi realized his characters were way too fast from the start and downplayed them from there.
EDIT: I’d also like to add that most of these feats I’m talking about are reaction speeds, not general movement speed.

Discuss.



Please... I hate seeing this.

Logically, her movement through the mirrors was LS.
However there is nothing to prove that the actual Senbon she tossed were thrown at LS also.

So no.



Um...Haku is a guy.
And that doesn’t change the fact that he moved at LS.



Shit. I forgot.

That still doesn’t change the fact that Sasuke didn’t have to react at LS to dodge her attacks.
And how she needed to use reflections to move at that speed, and only could do it from a short distance.
No one in Naruto is close to LS and it seems like they never will be.



Fair enough.
Naruto characters can arguably have FTL reactions though.
We know they have faster than lightning reactions for sure.
[Kakashi cutting lightning, Itachi reacting to Kirin in which Zetsu said would hit in 1/1000 of a second]

The whole Kakashi and Itachi encounter [water bullet and water wall jutsus] were used in FTL speeds.


Kakashi is not a lightning timer, there’s too much to contradict it.
Itachi didn’t really react to Kirin because he has lightning speed reflexes, but because Sasuke bragged about it and told him how it works, so Itachi was already prepared to time his Susano’o by using Sasuke’s hand as a cue.
Naruto does not have lightspeed reactions.


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Phillip916 wrote: Sharingan does not boost chakra

unless it evolved again...

weird thread to bump

Anyways, dojutsu are by products of special chakra that their eyes are reacting to

Any event that would cause an upgrade in the eyes is accompanied by unlocking special chakra


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the Majestic Kakarot wrote:

UltmateBROS25 wrote:

Kotei no Hosoku wrote:

UltmateBROS25 wrote:

Kotei no Hosoku wrote:

UltmateBROS25 wrote: If Kishimoto intended it, Naruto characters should very easily be MFTL+++++.
But they aren’t.

We all know Haku was light speed in his ice mirror technique.
And a half-dead Sasuke reacted to that speed with his first-stage sharingans.
So Sasuke has light speed reaction and this is only beginning of series Sasuke.
Then Lee came around, and no matter what Sasuke did he couldn’t react to Lee’s taijutsu. This makes Lee FTL.
Jounin in Naruto were FTL. Itachi did a water bullet technique in which the database says shoots bullets at light speed and Kakashi easily reacted to it and weaved his own jutsu to block it.
So then wtf Kage should all be MFTL.
The only logical explaination to this is that all the characters are FTL but in the Narutoverse it’s considered normal speed so Kishimoto doesn’t have to emphasize it.
The more likely explanation is that Kishi realized his characters were way too fast from the start and downplayed them from there.
EDIT: I’d also like to add that most of these feats I’m talking about are reaction speeds, not general movement speed.

Discuss.



Please... I hate seeing this.

Logically, her movement through the mirrors was LS.
However there is nothing to prove that the actual Senbon she tossed were thrown at LS also.

So no.



Um...Haku is a guy.
And that doesn’t change the fact that he moved at LS.



Shit. I forgot.

That still doesn’t change the fact that Sasuke didn’t have to react at LS to dodge her attacks.
And how she needed to use reflections to move at that speed, and only could do it from a short distance.
No one in Naruto is close to LS and it seems like they never will be.



Fair enough.
Naruto characters can arguably have FTL reactions though.
We know they have faster than lightning reactions for sure.
[Kakashi cutting lightning, Itachi reacting to Kirin in which Zetsu said would hit in 1/1000 of a second]

The whole Kakashi and Itachi encounter [water bullet and water wall jutsus] were used in FTL speeds.


Kakashi is not a lightning timer, there’s too much to contradict it.
Itachi didn’t really react to Kirin because he has lightning speed reflexes, but because Sasuke bragged about it and told him how it works, so Itachi was already prepared to time his Susano’o by using Sasuke’s hand as a cue.
Naruto does not have lightspeed reactions.

what contradicts lightning splitter kakashi?
Also its never stated that itachi was trying to use sasuke’s hand as a que

Ill get more into kirin thing later in the day when im not so busy


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person wrote:

the Majestic Kakarot wrote:

UltmateBROS25 wrote:

Kotei no Hosoku wrote:

UltmateBROS25 wrote:

Kotei no Hosoku wrote:

UltmateBROS25 wrote: If Kishimoto intended it, Naruto characters should very easily be MFTL+++++.
But they aren’t.

We all know Haku was light speed in his ice mirror technique.
And a half-dead Sasuke reacted to that speed with his first-stage sharingans.
So Sasuke has light speed reaction and this is only beginning of series Sasuke.
Then Lee came around, and no matter what Sasuke did he couldn’t react to Lee’s taijutsu. This makes Lee FTL.
Jounin in Naruto were FTL. Itachi did a water bullet technique in which the database says shoots bullets at light speed and Kakashi easily reacted to it and weaved his own jutsu to block it.
So then wtf Kage should all be MFTL.
The only logical explaination to this is that all the characters are FTL but in the Narutoverse it’s considered normal speed so Kishimoto doesn’t have to emphasize it.
The more likely explanation is that Kishi realized his characters were way too fast from the start and downplayed them from there.
EDIT: I’d also like to add that most of these feats I’m talking about are reaction speeds, not general movement speed.

Discuss.



Please... I hate seeing this.

Logically, her movement through the mirrors was LS.
However there is nothing to prove that the actual Senbon she tossed were thrown at LS also.

So no.



Um...Haku is a guy.
And that doesn’t change the fact that he moved at LS.



Shit. I forgot.

That still doesn’t change the fact that Sasuke didn’t have to react at LS to dodge her attacks.
And how she needed to use reflections to move at that speed, and only could do it from a short distance.
No one in Naruto is close to LS and it seems like they never will be.



Fair enough.
Naruto characters can arguably have FTL reactions though.
We know they have faster than lightning reactions for sure.
[Kakashi cutting lightning, Itachi reacting to Kirin in which Zetsu said would hit in 1/1000 of a second]

The whole Kakashi and Itachi encounter [water bullet and water wall jutsus] were used in FTL speeds.


Kakashi is not a lightning timer, there’s too much to contradict it.
Itachi didn’t really react to Kirin because he has lightning speed reflexes, but because Sasuke bragged about it and told him how it works, so Itachi was already prepared to time his Susano’o by using Sasuke’s hand as a cue.
Naruto does not have lightspeed reactions.

what contradicts lightning splitter kakashi?
Also its never stated that itachi was trying to use sasuke’s hand as a que

Ill get more into kirin thing later in the day when im not so busy

itachi destroying kakashi
but it was shown

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person wrote:

the Majestic Kakarot wrote:

UltmateBROS25 wrote:

Kotei no Hosoku wrote:

UltmateBROS25 wrote:

Kotei no Hosoku wrote:

UltmateBROS25 wrote: If Kishimoto intended it, Naruto characters should very easily be MFTL+++++.
But they aren’t.

We all know Haku was light speed in his ice mirror technique.
And a half-dead Sasuke reacted to that speed with his first-stage sharingans.
So Sasuke has light speed reaction and this is only beginning of series Sasuke.
Then Lee came around, and no matter what Sasuke did he couldn’t react to Lee’s taijutsu. This makes Lee FTL.
Jounin in Naruto were FTL. Itachi did a water bullet technique in which the database says shoots bullets at light speed and Kakashi easily reacted to it and weaved his own jutsu to block it.
So then wtf Kage should all be MFTL.
The only logical explaination to this is that all the characters are FTL but in the Narutoverse it’s considered normal speed so Kishimoto doesn’t have to emphasize it.
The more likely explanation is that Kishi realized his characters were way too fast from the start and downplayed them from there.
EDIT: I’d also like to add that most of these feats I’m talking about are reaction speeds, not general movement speed.

Discuss.



Please... I hate seeing this.

Logically, her movement through the mirrors was LS.
However there is nothing to prove that the actual Senbon she tossed were thrown at LS also.

So no.



Um...Haku is a guy.
And that doesn’t change the fact that he moved at LS.



Shit. I forgot.

That still doesn’t change the fact that Sasuke didn’t have to react at LS to dodge her attacks.
And how she needed to use reflections to move at that speed, and only could do it from a short distance.
No one in Naruto is close to LS and it seems like they never will be.



Fair enough.
Naruto characters can arguably have FTL reactions though.
We know they have faster than lightning reactions for sure.
[Kakashi cutting lightning, Itachi reacting to Kirin in which Zetsu said would hit in 1/1000 of a second]

The whole Kakashi and Itachi encounter [water bullet and water wall jutsus] were used in FTL speeds.


Kakashi is not a lightning timer, there’s too much to contradict it.
Itachi didn’t really react to Kirin because he has lightning speed reflexes, but because Sasuke bragged about it and told him how it works, so Itachi was already prepared to time his Susano’o by using Sasuke’s hand as a cue.
Naruto does not have lightspeed reactions.

what contradicts lightning splitter kakashi?
Also its never stated that itachi was trying to use sasuke’s hand as a que

Ill get more into kirin thing later in the day when im not so busy

What contradicts lightning splitter Part 1 Kakashi?
-Part 2 Sasuke and BZ considered Lightning speed Kirin unavoidable.
-The 4th Raikage=Lightning speed=fastest ninja in the series before RM Naruto.

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Anime Fan wrote:

person wrote:

the Majestic Kakarot wrote:

UltmateBROS25 wrote:

Kotei no Hosoku wrote:

UltmateBROS25 wrote:

Kotei no Hosoku wrote:

UltmateBROS25 wrote: If Kishimoto intended it, Naruto characters should very easily be MFTL+++++.
But they aren’t.

We all know Haku was light speed in his ice mirror technique.
And a half-dead Sasuke reacted to that speed with his first-stage sharingans.
So Sasuke has light speed reaction and this is only beginning of series Sasuke.
Then Lee came around, and no matter what Sasuke did he couldn’t react to Lee’s taijutsu. This makes Lee FTL.
Jounin in Naruto were FTL. Itachi did a water bullet technique in which the database says shoots bullets at light speed and Kakashi easily reacted to it and weaved his own jutsu to block it.
So then wtf Kage should all be MFTL.
The only logical explaination to this is that all the characters are FTL but in the Narutoverse it’s considered normal speed so Kishimoto doesn’t have to emphasize it.
The more likely explanation is that Kishi realized his characters were way too fast from the start and downplayed them from there.
EDIT: I’d also like to add that most of these feats I’m talking about are reaction speeds, not general movement speed.

Discuss.



Please... I hate seeing this.

Logically, her movement through the mirrors was LS.
However there is nothing to prove that the actual Senbon she tossed were thrown at LS also.

So no.



Um...Haku is a guy.
And that doesn’t change the fact that he moved at LS.



Shit. I forgot.

That still doesn’t change the fact that Sasuke didn’t have to react at LS to dodge her attacks.
And how she needed to use reflections to move at that speed, and only could do it from a short distance.
No one in Naruto is close to LS and it seems like they never will be.



Fair enough.
Naruto characters can arguably have FTL reactions though.
We know they have faster than lightning reactions for sure.
[Kakashi cutting lightning, Itachi reacting to Kirin in which Zetsu said would hit in 1/1000 of a second]

The whole Kakashi and Itachi encounter [water bullet and water wall jutsus] were used in FTL speeds.


Kakashi is not a lightning timer, there’s too much to contradict it.
Itachi didn’t really react to Kirin because he has lightning speed reflexes, but because Sasuke bragged about it and told him how it works, so Itachi was already prepared to time his Susano’o by using Sasuke’s hand as a cue.
Naruto does not have lightspeed reactions.

what contradicts lightning splitter kakashi?
Also its never stated that itachi was trying to use sasuke’s hand as a que

Ill get more into kirin thing later in the day when im not so busy

What contradicts lightning splitter Part 1 Kakashi?
-Part 2 Sasuke and BZ considered Lightning speed Kirin unavoidable.
-The 4th Raikage=Lightning speed=fastest ninja in the series before RM Naruto.

its been shown that ninjas typically can react and cast jutsu faster than they can move. For example
-danzo says sasuke’s susanoo arrows are too fast to avoid yet was still able to grow and entire tree to deflect it after the arrow was fired.
-kakashi said the same thing before kamui’ing away sasuke’s arrows
-he did this again when madara kicked minato’s rasengan at him, he couldnt dodge it but was able to use kamui before it hit
-sasuke wasnt fast enough to dodge A’s attacks, yet he was consistently able to put up susanoo whenever A tried to hit him

Kakashi doesnt need to be fast enough to avoid it inorder to split it with raikiri


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person wrote:

the Majestic Kakarot wrote:

UltmateBROS25 wrote:

Kotei no Hosoku wrote:

UltmateBROS25 wrote:

Kotei no Hosoku wrote:

UltmateBROS25 wrote: If Kishimoto intended it, Naruto characters should very easily be MFTL+++++.
But they aren’t.

We all know Haku was light speed in his ice mirror technique.
And a half-dead Sasuke reacted to that speed with his first-stage sharingans.
So Sasuke has light speed reaction and this is only beginning of series Sasuke.
Then Lee came around, and no matter what Sasuke did he couldn’t react to Lee’s taijutsu. This makes Lee FTL.
Jounin in Naruto were FTL. Itachi did a water bullet technique in which the database says shoots bullets at light speed and Kakashi easily reacted to it and weaved his own jutsu to block it.
So then wtf Kage should all be MFTL.
The only logical explaination to this is that all the characters are FTL but in the Narutoverse it’s considered normal speed so Kishimoto doesn’t have to emphasize it.
The more likely explanation is that Kishi realized his characters were way too fast from the start and downplayed them from there.
EDIT: I’d also like to add that most of these feats I’m talking about are reaction speeds, not general movement speed.

Discuss.



Please... I hate seeing this.

Logically, her movement through the mirrors was LS.
However there is nothing to prove that the actual Senbon she tossed were thrown at LS also.

So no.



Um...Haku is a guy.
And that doesn’t change the fact that he moved at LS.



Shit. I forgot.

That still doesn’t change the fact that Sasuke didn’t have to react at LS to dodge her attacks.
And how she needed to use reflections to move at that speed, and only could do it from a short distance.
No one in Naruto is close to LS and it seems like they never will be.



Fair enough.
Naruto characters can arguably have FTL reactions though.
We know they have faster than lightning reactions for sure.
[Kakashi cutting lightning, Itachi reacting to Kirin in which Zetsu said would hit in 1/1000 of a second]

The whole Kakashi and Itachi encounter [water bullet and water wall jutsus] were used in FTL speeds.


Kakashi is not a lightning timer, there’s too much to contradict it.
Itachi didn’t really react to Kirin because he has lightning speed reflexes, but because Sasuke bragged about it and told him how it works, so Itachi was already prepared to time his Susano’o by using Sasuke’s hand as a cue.
Naruto does not have lightspeed reactions.

what contradicts lightning splitter kakashi?
Also its never stated that itachi was trying to use sasuke’s hand as a que

Ill get more into kirin thing later in the day when im not so busy


It was pretty obvious.
Sasuke bragged about it and Itachi is a tactical genius, you could see the zoom in on Sasuke’s hand and then next panel the zoom in on Itachi’s MS.
Was pretty obvious it was timed.
IIRC you claimed Kirin is 4-digit mach and that Itachi can react to it.
So i’m not going to start debating speed...Last time I actually debate on anything speed related with Naruto fans, already had my fair share of retards(Not claiming you’re a retard, at least you can bring solid arguments and I can see you’re not a dumb person, just claiming the other ones I debated speed with are retards).


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I don’t think most people here actually know how speed physics work. Especially when they try to measure it in mach speeds. Lightning, for example. The speeds of actual lightning vary. Near as I can tell, no actual numbers are given for characters with “lightning speed” movement in Naruto. So, why is it that I see the highest possible numbers being thrown out in these debates when there’s not really anything to suggest the speeds are that high?


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Zevroid wrote: I don’t think most people here actually know how speed physics work. Especially when they try to measure it in mach speeds. Lightning, for example. The speeds of actual lightning vary. Near as I can tell, no actual numbers are given for characters with “lightning speed” movement in Naruto. So, why is it that I see the highest possible numbers being thrown out in these debates when there’s not really anything to suggest the speeds are that high?

Lightning strikes the ground at 1/1000th a second comment by Zetsu.
People calc it and get 4 digit despite the fact that right next to it says that lightning is a few hundred mach.

Edited 05-17-2015 01:19 PM by Ichigao
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Ichigao wrote:

Zevroid wrote: I don’t think most people here actually know how speed physics work. Especially when they try to measure it in mach speeds. Lightning, for example. The speeds of actual lightning vary. Near as I can tell, no actual numbers are given for characters with “lightning speed” movement in Naruto. So, why is it that I see the highest possible numbers being thrown out in these debates when there’s not really anything to suggest the speeds are that high?

Lightning strikes the ground at 1/1000th a second comment by Zetsu.
People calc it and get 4 digit despite the fact that right next to it says that lightning is a few hundred mach.


Hm. Well, that explains Mach 100 Kisame, I suppose.


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im doing errands right now for a bbq thingy tomorrow(its a canadian holiday), so i wont be able to properly respond till later today

Zevroid wrote: I don’t think most people here actually know how speed physics work. Especially when they try to measure it in mach speeds. Lightning, for example. The speeds of actual lightning vary. Near as I can tell, no actual numbers are given for characters with “lightning speed” movement in Naruto. So, why is it that I see the highest possible numbers being thrown out in these debates when there’s not really anything to suggest the speeds are that high?

the lightning we’re talking about does have actual numbers given for it

Black zetsu states that sasuke formed cumulonimbus clouds and that lightning reaches the ground within 1/1000 of a second(giving us a time

Comulonimbus clouds typically have their bases 1-2km above the ground but can be as high as 4km(giving us a distance)

travelling 1 km in 1/1000th of a second would make kirin mach 3400+

And double that speed if we use 2km


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