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This is for Bleach ONLY other series have no place here and repeatedly bringing them up will result in a ban. Dr.


Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote: Requested by:Lightning Blade/Bringer Light/The Alchemist
Calculated by: ~Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother~
Link to calc:http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/bleach-discussion-about-how-powerful-they-are-reasons-etc-181013/42
post #: 835

This calculation deals with Ichigo releasing his new zanpkatou and how much energy was outputted. The scans are under the spoiler labelled “Method 2” from chapter 542 courtesy of Mangafox.

so the specific heat capacity of water in liquid is: 4.18 j/g and in gas: 2.02 j.g and since the water evaporated by Ichigo went from being a liquid to a gas(steam) I will just be using the average for this (and yes I know it is not so simple for those of you who have taken chemistry. Just chill out being very loose here).

So Cp= (4.18+2.02)^1/2 (since energy is lost exponentially in an open system)= 2.4899799195977464749671941333564 j/g= 2.5 J/g (apx.)



The delta T is 100-20 (assuming room temperature but it should be hotter in a furnace room)= 80 degrees Celsius.



Now we need to find the mass. In order to do that we first need to estimate how many liters can be in a 1) a sea 2) how much it appears in the scan since the sea part could be a hyperbole. Unless there is some more solid evidence suggesting it was an actual sea.

The smallest one I could find was the Baltic sea. Its dimensions are:

depth/height= 55 m the area with (lxw like for land surface area) is: 422,200 (km)^2= 4.22x10^8 m^2

So the volume in meters is area x d= 23,210,000,000 m^3

The density of water is: 1,000.00 kg/m³

and m=d*v= 1,000.00 kg/m³*23,210,000,000 m^3= 23,210,000,000,000 kg= 23.21 trillion kilograms.

Assuming the water reached a v=1 m/s and a=1 m/s^2 (very low balled I know)

Then the force behind such a casual release using f=ma (for those with a more appropriate equation for this let me know but for a value such as this I think it should be fine but the relativistic force equation may apply to this I can check later).

F= 23,210,000,000,000 kg*1 m/s^2= 23.21 trillion newtons.
p=mv= 23.21 trillion kg*m/s^2

(but looking it at it now these are a bit higher then usual so Newtonian-esque equations are probably giving a higher value than it actually is. So you can still drop it by a factor of a 100 or thousand. Still mighty mighty impressive for a hst character just with a release of their zanpkatou I might add!)

So going by the image provided H=Cp*delta T*m= 2.5 J/g*80 degrees Celsius*23,210,000,000,000 kg=4,642,000,000,000,000 J= 4.642 x 10^15 J via just by releasing.

To get an idea this is equivalent to destroying a city just by releasing his zanpaktou.





Its a full sphere going by on page 11:



wikipedia wrote: Tojinbo, Sakai, Fukui prefecture, Japan 25 m above Sea of Japan



So with the height being 25 m and taking that as the depth for the 'sea'. Now going by this image:

There are others out there and if someone has a better or a more legit source let me know thanks.

The radius seems like it could be from 30 to 45 meters. So I will go with 30 m.

So the volume of a sphere is v=4/3*pi*r^3 were pi=3.14 (apx.)

v= 4/3*3.14*(30)^3= 113,097.33552923255658465516179806 m^3

m=d*v= 1000 kg/m^3* 113,097.33552923255658465516179806 m^3
m=113097335.52923255658465516179806 kg
m= 113,097,335.53 (apx.) kg

So H= 2.5*80*113,097,335.53=22,619,467,105.846511316931032359612 J= 22,619,467,105.85 J (apx.)=2.262x10^10 J





Thanks Lightning Blade/Bringer Light/The Alchemist for the advice and friendly critique.




By Method 1:
Ichigo has AP/DC of city just by releasing his zanpaktou & his aoe is several thousand KM.

By Method 2:
Ichigo has AP/DC of a town and a range of only a few KM at best.



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The Alchemist wrote: Season 1 Bankai Ichigo is stated to be lightning speed


What do you make of this?



I think it turns out that the databook is right all along after all. Here is my proof:

From chapter 152: We see that Ichigo extremely casually blitzed not only Choujiro bare handed he also did this to 3 other vice-captains who were all in shikai at the time.






Also from chapter 504 we know that the vanderwiech can’t use the bankai to its full potential b/c they only have half of it. Also as Yamamoto was the first one to state this (he was angry at the time but this is further supported by Hitsugaya, Komamaru, and Urahara).


Not only that but Choujiro was a captain class soul reaper. Having had bankai for over 2000 years.


Its safe to say based on the scans below his bankai’s power at a minimum would be 180. Why? Even if we take him obtaining shikai the first time would have been 4.7 (at least) and bankai from that 47. After 2000 years being 180 at a minimum is of no surprise (if not higher). Since many captain class soul reapers are faster than his lightning as well. This is also similar with other element type zanpaktous: Ryujin Jakka, Horyinmaru, Etsuga, that wind zanpkatou (forget its name someone can check for me thanks), etc. That are far above the norm.


Not only that he did manage to cut Yamamoto around 2000 years ago who was already captain class at that time (above Byakuya or at the very least the same level).


We also know Driscol (the vanderwiech) was strong enough to one shot a vice-captain like Hisagi who was in shikai.


And who possesed bankaialready at that time with Driscol.


Although he denies this like many others have before him.

[img]http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/9/60-538.0/compressed/i015.jpg[/img



So as can be seen Choujiro’s bankai


Is indeed lightning level of 180 if not outright higher. We will find out further when we know how strong Yama was when he was younger if more than his old self than well this value will obviously go higher. Since we also know Yama has had the best travel speed shown along possibly similarly like Ywach/Juha Bach/Buckbeard.

So SS bankai Ichigo (not in shikai obviously) is at least mach 180+ (blitzed Choujiro and others in shikai as shown before). Possibly higher (only time will tell). Damn and I thought only 1 verse in the hst was that FAST pre-skip.



JeDohma wrote: Prove me Seireitei being country-sized.



SePHIIIroTH wrote:

SePHIIIroTH wrote: Anyway

According to fade to black movie which was supervised by kubo
A bit less than the radius of serietie is about 200 spirit miles (spirit mile = Ri = 2.44 miles)
So the diameter of serietie would be 967 miles or probably in kubo’s mind exactly 1000 miles.

This actually just tells us that kubo actually DID make a simple calculation about serietie and lass notches sizes because :
If i use 24 hours per day and 3 miles per hour

Serietie : 10 (days) x 4 (gates) x 3 (mph normal human walking pace) x 24 (hours) = 2880 miles (the circumference)
Now just divide that by 3.14 to get the diameter and you’ll get 900 miles and yuroichi said ATLEAST 10 days so the actual diameter of serietie is exactly 1000 miles (1600 km)
this goes hand to hand with the movie that kubo supervised

If we actually want the size of lass notches we have to calc it the same way kubo decided to make serietie i.e using 24 hours.
And it would give us ~ 500 miles for the wall of lass notches

cid was right after all smiley

So new power levels for bleach

CO : country level
Lanza : mid-big country level
Gremmys meteor : continent level (low end)~small moon level (high end)


Inuhanyou123;1069077 wrote: Information Credited To Bleach Asylum & Various Other Sources


The 3rd Movie is Entitled Bleach: Fade to Black - 君の名を呼ぶ (I Call Your Name) and it will premier on December 13th 2008.

Created By:

Director : Noriyuki Abe

Screenwriter : Takahashi Natsuko

Music By : Shiro Sagisu

Planner, Overseer & Consultant : Kubo Tite





Director’s Notes

今年の映画は「原点回帰」で、監督曰く「ルキアに対する一護の想い」がキーとなる部分なんだっ て。
「より一護をフューチャーした内容」らしい
一護の心情的には、SS編の続きみたいな感じだとか。
This year’s film ,according to Director Abe in conjunction with Kubo Tite in the limited edition booklet sold with pre ordered tickets for the movie, is supposed to reinvoke the oldschool feel of the SS arc, and revolves around 「Rukia’s hidden feelings for Ichigo and in Return」



・アフレコは昨日と今日の二日に分けて行った。
・台本がすごく分厚い。
・コンも恋次も今回は活躍する。
・コンは初日のみのアフレコ、恋次は二日とも。
・第一弾、第二弾と異なり、今回はキャラが大勢というより、
 個別のキャラの活躍がしっかり描かれる。
・一護が修兵、一角、恋次、ルキアたんなど、色々な人と戦う。
・恋次はルキアたんのことを忘れている。
 →卍解を取得した経緯も、卍解自体も忘れている。
 それを、思い出すまでの描写も見所。久しぶりに蛇尾丸具現化あり。
・物語後半にかけて、各々が記憶を取り戻していく。
・ルキアたんに関係ある”過去の人物”は「二人の子供」。(←絶対ネタバレ禁止とのこと) 
 一護が死神たちと戦っている間、ルキアたんはこの子供達と一緒にいるらしい。
・「二人の子供」は男女のペア。
・「二人の子供」の声優は、二人ともブリーチには初めての参戦。
・コンの最後の台詞は森田さんが「ちょっと泣いた」くらいの良い台詞。ただしオチありw
・アフレコには師匠も来た。台詞回しとかすごく拘ってて、修正したりしてた。
・師匠はお昼も台本を見ながら食べてたり、収録スタジオで原作ネーム書いてたり、
 すごく忙しそうだった。
・ぴえろでは現在作画作業真っ最中。


-The recording was divided to 2 days, yesterday and today.
-The scenario is really thick.
-Kon and Renji got showtimes.
-Kon was in first day recording, Renji in second day.
-Characters that appeared are more than first and second movies, and particular characters also got their own spotlights.
-Ichigo is fighting against Ikkaku, Renji, Rukia and lots more people.
-Renji forgets about Rukia --> He also forgets that he could do Bankai and every memories about gaining bankai was lost also. Zabimaru (shikai) got it’s spotlight after so long.
-The second half of the movie will based around regaining the memories.
-Those who had relation with Rukia’s past are two children. (more information will definitely be a spoiler)
-The two children are pair of a boy and a girl. This is their first participation in Bleach for both of the children’s seiyuus.
-Kon’s last speech was quite touching and made Morita-san, “I cried a bit”
-Kubo-sensei came to the recording. He really fussed over theatrical elocution and made a lot of corrections.
-Kubo-sensei ate lunch while reading the scenario. He drew manga drafts during editing. He seemed so busy.
-Pierrot is now in the middle of production.




So what do you guys think?



SePHIIIroTH wrote:

Cid wrote:

SePHIIIroTH wrote: I’mma need the official translation for the movie

Where can i find something like that?





Official dub for the movie?

i guess it works

@min 18
Ukitake’s report to yamamoto



Cid wrote: The official English translations was much more useful than I thought it’d be.





So one spirit-mile is 2.4 miles. If the Seireitei is 400 spirit-miles in diamter, that means it’s about 1000 miles.



Cid wrote:

Kurosaki wrote:

Cid wrote: Where does the 400 come from?

diameter = 2x radius



Makes sense then.



Here’s your visual representation of the size of Seireitei now. 960 miles in diameter.



Royal Palace’s cites are even smaller than Seireitei individually.



The wall that surrounds Seireitei also guards the Royal Palace itself.

And of course, Nimaiya’s city has an entire sea surrounding it.


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Speed:

Marquess wrote:
The man managed to come out of nowhere in order to deflect one of Driscoll’s arrows at near pointblank range.

http://i35.mangapanda.com/bleach/503/bleach-3519027.jpg
http://i4.mangapanda.com/bleach/503/bleach-3519029.jpg

These same arrows have been launched from Soul Society’s Northern Gate into the 1st Division Barracks in a but a few seconds.

http://i30.mangapanda.com/bleach/483/bleach-3119315.jpg

Yoruichi, a former captain, leader of a noble clan, and the closest thing to a strategist that the Ichibros had in Soul Society, has stated it takes 10 Days to move between each of these four gates.

We can determine the 1st Division Barracks are somewhere in Soul Society’s center from Yamamoto being able to see the Pillars of Light that were spread across Soul Society.

We also know that he’s facing the direction of the gate since Sasakibe was thrown through that same wall before Yamamoto vaporized it.

You can see the hole the arrow made right behind Yamamoto.

So, yeah, you can throw around whatever numbers you like with this, but the bottom line is that Yamamoto is fast as fuck.

* And pretending he was flying the entire time since the start of the battle to the end since outright ridiculous.


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One of Them wrote:

Bleach cutting potency, since it’s been getting downplayed/misunderstood lately:

I’ll start with fodder Hollow Fishbone who can casually punch through steel




So fodder from chapter 1 is above steel level.
We all know Ichigo’s swing is obviously > a fodder Fishbone’s punch.
Yet

Later on achieves cutting him


A Guillian is the mix of hundreds of Hollows piled into one, so it’s hundreds of time stronger than a Hollow. Which explains why Ichigo could at most scratch its ankle with his strongest swing


At the end of that fight, he went from scratching its ankle, to deflecting its cero and slashing it from feet to head at the same time, forcing it to retreat


Yet Urahara obliterated Ichigo’s Zan with his own


In Shikai, Ichigo fights evenly(his sword doesn’t get obliterated)


Unnamed Getsuga is stronger, since it forces Urahara to block with his Zan’s special technique and still cracked it


And for an extra, this feat here is considered to be city block level


Let’s see how much that means in the future



Edit: I added Acidwire

Edit: I don’t know why some of the scans aren’t showing. But just in case, the address gives the name of the site and the chapter and page before ".jpg”/".png”

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One of Them wrote:


And then


He still cuts Kenny, even after he took off his eyepatch



I’m gonna add this because it’s kind of impressive.

First, we all know Bankai increases power by 5-10 fold, so there you have Bankai Ichigo’s cutting power quintupled at least.
Here’s Ichigo and Byakuya clashing inside Senkei, where Byakuya’s millions of blade fragments compact into thousands of blades to “strengthen their killing power”- Byakuya.


Then Byakuya goes further and compacts all those thousands of blades into one, further increasing his cutting power a thousandfold.


Yes, Ichigo cut through it



I may be missing a few factors, but it’s still a lot. I’m using only Ichigo by the way, the other characters you can scale off of him.
Damn, this much and we haven’t started the Arrancar arc.

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One of Them wrote:

Shikai does nothing


Neither does Bankai


Black Getsuga does leave a scar on him




In Vaizard Mode, it heavily damages Grimmjow, even though he used his sword to block instead of tanking it




If you notice, it also took a chunk off Grimmjow’s blade.

Grimmjow transforms. Directly receives the same attack at point blank, and laughs about it





Ichigo gets serious and his attacks start to deal damage from that point onward
http://manga.starkana.com/151/5550/M7_Bleach_Ch282_09.png

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One of Them wrote:

Raiden Blackthorn wrote: Ulq then proceeds to tank this getsuga barehanded in base tounge

Lol, here I made Ulq’s whole set

Let me go back a little.

Uses Black Getsuga in Vizard Mode with all his power






It barely ripped his clothes

On their second fight, with Ichigo stronger, Ulq draws his sword. The following is stronger than what happened above at that time




Simply because it left a scratch.

Ichigo goes Vaizard Mode and uses Getsuga.


It cracks his blade, forcing him to release.

Ulq releases, and Ichigo’s strongest Getsuga does nothing



Ulq releases once again, and Full Hollow Ichigo easily does this
http://manga.starkana.com/151/5632/M7_Bleach_Ch351_14.png


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Bumping this for DS.

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Thanks ladd.

And for those who don’t want to read the opening this is for bleach its not to a vs thread its to discuss there abilities and powers bringing up other characters like stardust is doing will get you banned not just from the thread but from the entire subsection.


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Good time to discuss the whole “How come Yama’s bankai didn’t vape the rocks?" conversation.

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I’d say it’s because he has control over it.

But only for a limited time.


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quick question

who think Rukia is gonna get a Bankai??


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Rainbow Undead wrote: quick question

who think Rukia is gonna get a Bankai??

Eh, anythings possible, I guess.


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she deserves it dammit!!


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I think Yumichika deserves one too.


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Rainbow Undead wrote: quick question

who think Rukia is gonna get a Bankai??

Not any time soon.

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Ladd Russo wrote:

Ladd Russo wrote: Aizen states Urahara was once his equal in power.


Maybe we aren’t giving him enough credit. :O

Isshin is pretty impressive too.

In addition to matching Base Aizen’s power with a sealed sword he also did this



I wonder what Aizen meant when he said he “understood that attack”.
Perhaps he could be implying Isshin nearly reached his level(if only for a moment).


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Uncle Fleece wrote: I’d say it’s because he has control over it.

But only for a limited time.

In the same sense of how Byakuya has control over his zans reiatsu which is why his petals don’t go slicing everything all over the place. I explained this in a thread some time ago. I just wanted to see if there was anybody who still doubted Yama’s control over his reiatsu(heat).

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Rainbow Undead wrote: quick question

who think Rukia is gonna get a Bankai??



Not a chance.

Far stronger, far deserving people probably won’t be getting one for a while.

It would be a shit move giving her a Bankai; just another over-used one that gets smacked around like it’s a sealed Zan.


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The 7th Messiah wrote:

Uncle Fleece wrote: I’d say it’s because he has control over it.

But only for a limited time.

In the same sense of how Byakuya has control over his zans reiatsu which is why his petals don’t go slicing everything all over the place.

Exacta


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.Bored. wrote:

Rainbow Undead wrote: quick question

who think Rukia is gonna get a Bankai??



Not a chance.

Far stronger, far deserving people probably won’t be getting one for a while.

It would be a shit move giving her a Bankai; just another over-used one that gets smacked around like it’s a sealed Zan.

Renji.....

Please, please, please upgrade his shit and make it useful Kubo. One of my fav characters. This training better had made him beast mode. Looked like it did.

His bankai should have so much more than just Hikotsu Taihou.

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