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Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote: Requested by:Lightning Blade/Bringer Light/The Alchemist

Calculated by:~Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother~

Link to calc:http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/bleach-discussion-about-how-powerful-they-are-reasons-etc-181013/42

post #: 835

This calculation deals with Ichigo releasing his new zanpkatou and how much energy was outputted. The scans are under the spoiler labelled “Method 2” from chapter 542 courtesy of Mangafox.

so the specific heat capacity of water in liquid is: 4.18 j/g and in gas: 2.02 j.g and since the water evaporated by Ichigo went from being a liquid to a gas(steam) I will just be using the average for this (and yes I know it is not so simple for those of you who have taken chemistry. Just chill out being very loose here).

So Cp= (4.18+2.02)^1/2 (since energy is lost exponentially in an open system)= 2.4899799195977464749671941333564 j/g= 2.5 J/g (apx.)

The delta T is 100-20 (assuming room temperature but it should be hotter in a furnace room)= 80 degrees Celsius.

Now we need to find the mass. In order to do that we first need to estimate how many liters can be in a 1) a sea 2) how much it appears in the scan since the sea part could be a hyperbole. Unless there is some more solid evidence suggesting it was an actual sea.

The smallest one I could find was the Baltic sea. Its dimensions are:

depth/height= 55 m the area with (lxw like for land surface area) is: 422,200 (km)^2= 4.22x10^8 m^2

So the volume in meters is area x d= 23,210,000,000 m^3

The density of water is: 1,000.00 kg/m³

and m=d*v= 1,000.00 kg/m³*23,210,000,000 m^3= 23,210,000,000,000 kg= 23.21 trillion kilograms.

Assuming the water reached a v=1 m/s and a=1 m/s^2 (very low balled I know)

Then the force behind such a casual release using f=ma (for those with a more appropriate equation for this let me know but for a value such as this I think it should be fine but the relativistic force equation may apply to this I can check later).

F= 23,210,000,000,000 kg*1 m/s^2= 23.21 trillion newtons.

p=mv= 23.21 trillion kg*m/s^2

(but looking it at it now these are a bit higher then usual so Newtonian-esque equations are probably giving a higher value than it actually is. So you can still drop it by a factor of a 100 or thousand. Still mighty mighty impressive for a hst character just with a release of their zanpkatou I might add!)

So going by the image provided H=Cp*delta T*m= 2.5 J/g*80 degrees Celsius*23,210,000,000,000 kg=4,642,000,000,000,000 J= 4.642 x 10^15 J via just by releasing.

To get an idea this is equivalent to destroying a city just by releasing his zanpaktou.

Its a full sphere going by on page 11:

wikipedia wrote: Tojinbo, Sakai, Fukui prefecture, Japan 25 m above Sea of Japan

So with the height being 25 m and taking that as the depth for the 'sea'. Now going by this image:

There are others out there and if someone has a better or a more legit source let me know thanks.

The radius seems like it could be from 30 to 45 meters. So I will go with 30 m.

So the volume of a sphere is v=4/3*pi*r^3 were pi=3.14 (apx.)

v= 4/3*3.14*(30)^3= 113,097.33552923255658465516179806 m^3

m=d*v= 1000 kg/m^3* 113,097.33552923255658465516179806 m^3

m=113097335.52923255658465516179806 kg

m= 113,097,335.53 (apx.) kg

So H= 2.5*80*113,097,335.53=22,619,467,105.846511316931032359612 J= 22,619,467,105.85 J (apx.)=2.262x10^10 J

links: http://springprojectwhs.tripod.com/id9.html

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001773.html

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/spht.html#c1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliff

Thanks Lightning Blade/Bringer Light/The Alchemist for the advice and friendly critique.

By Method 1:

Ichigo has AP/DC of city just by releasing his zanpaktou & his aoe is several thousand KM.

By Method 2:

Ichigo has AP/DC of a town and a range of only a few KM at best.

Tornado The Dragon - a.k.a Big Brother wrote: This is what I put together after reading Brigner Light’s comment which got me thinking and well here it is. If it is valid put it in the op it if not than break it down as to why it isn’t. Thank you everyone.

The Alchemist wrote: Season 1 Bankai Ichigo is stated to be lightning speed

What do you make of this?

I think it turns out that the databook is right all along after all. Here is my proof:

From chapter 152: We see that Ichigo extremely casually blitzed not only Choujiro bare handed he also did this to 3 other vice-captains who were all in shikai at the time.

Also from chapter 504 we know that the vanderwiech can’t use the bankai to its full potential b/c they only have half of it. Also as Yamamoto was the first one to state this (he was angry at the time but this is further supported by Hitsugaya, Komamaru, and Urahara).

Not only that but Choujiro was a captain class soul reaper. Having had bankai for over 2000 years.

Its safe to say based on the scans below his bankai’s power at a minimum would be 180. Why? Even if we take him obtaining shikai the first time would have been 4.7 (at least) and bankai from that 47. After 2000 years being 180 at a minimum is of no surprise (if not higher). Since many captain class soul reapers are faster than his lightning as well. This is also similar with other element type zanpaktous: Ryujin Jakka, Horyinmaru, Etsuga, that wind zanpkatou (forget its name someone can check for me thanks), etc. That are far above the norm.

Not only that he did manage to cut Yamamoto around 2000 years ago who was already captain class at that time (above Byakuya or at the very least the same level).

We also know Driscol (the vanderwiech) was strong enough to one shot a vice-captain like Hisagi who was in shikai.

And who possesed bankaialready at that time with Driscol.

Although he denies this like many others have before him.

[img]http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/9/60-538.0/compressed/i015.jpg[/img

So as can be seen Choujiro’s bankai

Is indeed lightning level of 180 if not outright higher. We will find out further when we know how strong Yama was when he was younger if more than his old self than well this value will obviously go higher. Since we also know Yama has had the best travel speed shown along possibly similarly like Ywach/Juha Bach/Buckbeard.

So SS bankai Ichigo (not in shikai obviously) is at least mach 180+ (blitzed Choujiro and others in shikai as shown before). Possibly higher (only time will tell). Damn and I thought only 1 verse in the hst was thatFASTpre-skip.

JeDohma wrote: Prove me Seireitei being country-sized.

SePHIIIroTH wrote:

SePHIIIroTH wrote: Anyway

According to fade to black movie which was supervised by kubo

A bit less than the radius of serietie is about 200 spirit miles (spirit mile = Ri = 2.44 miles)

So the diameter of serietie would be 967 miles or probably in kubo’s mind exactly 1000 miles.

This actually just tells us that kubo actually DID make a simple calculation about serietie and lass notches sizes because :

If i use 24 hours per day and 3 miles per hour

Serietie : 10 (days) x 4 (gates) x 3 (mph normal human walking pace) x 24 (hours) = 2880 miles (the circumference)

Now just divide that by 3.14 to get the diameter and you’ll get 900 miles and yuroichi said ATLEAST 10 days so the actual diameter of serietie is exactly 1000 miles (1600 km)

this goes hand to hand with the movie that kubo supervised

If we actually want the size of lass notches we have to calc it the same way kubo decided to make serietie i.e using 24 hours.

And it would give us ~ 500 miles for the wall of lass notches

cid was right after all

So new power levels for bleach

CO : country level

Lanza : mid-big country level

Gremmys meteor : continent level (low end)~small moon level (high end)

Inuhanyou123;1069077 wrote:

Information Credited To Bleach Asylum & Various Other Sources

The 3rd Movie is EntitledBleach: Fade to Black - 君の名を呼ぶ (I Call Your Name)and it will premier on December 13th 2008.

:Created By

Director : Noriyuki Abe

Screenwriter : Takahashi Natsuko

Music By : Shiro Sagisu

Planner, Overseer & Consultant : Kubo Tite

Director’s Notes今年の映画は「原点回帰」で、監督曰く「ルキアに対する一護の想い」がキーとなる部分なんだっ て。

「より一護をフューチャーした内容」らしい

一護の心情的には、SS編の続きみたいな感じだとか。

This year’s film ,according to Director Abe in conjunction with Kubo Tite in the limited edition booklet sold with pre ordered tickets for the movie, is supposed to reinvoke the oldschool feel of the SS arc, and revolves around 「Rukia’s hidden feelings for Ichigo and in Return」

・アフレコは昨日と今日の二日に分けて行った。

・台本がすごく分厚い。

・コンも恋次も今回は活躍する。

・コンは初日のみのアフレコ、恋次は二日とも。

・第一弾、第二弾と異なり、今回はキャラが大勢というより、

　個別のキャラの活躍がしっかり描かれる。

・一護が修兵、一角、恋次、ルキアたんなど、色々な人と戦う。

・恋次はルキアたんのことを忘れている。

　→卍解を取得した経緯も、卍解自体も忘れている。

　それを、思い出すまでの描写も見所。久しぶりに蛇尾丸具現化あり。

・物語後半にかけて、各々が記憶を取り戻していく。

・ルキアたんに関係ある”過去の人物”は「二人の子供」。（←絶対ﾈﾀﾊﾞﾚ禁止とのこと）　

　一護が死神たちと戦っている間、ルキアたんはこの子供達と一緒にいるらしい。

・「二人の子供」は男女のペア。

・「二人の子供」の声優は、二人ともブリーチには初めての参戦。

・コンの最後の台詞は森田さんが「ちょっと泣いた」くらいの良い台詞。ただしオチありｗ

・アフレコには師匠も来た。台詞回しとかすごく拘ってて、修正したりしてた。

・師匠はお昼も台本を見ながら食べてたり、収録スタジオで原作ネーム書いてたり、

　すごく忙しそうだった。

・ぴえろでは現在作画作業真っ最中。

-The recording was divided to 2 days, yesterday and today.

-The scenario is really thick.

-Kon and Renji got showtimes.

-Kon was in first day recording, Renji in second day.

-Characters that appeared are more than first and second movies, and particular characters also got their own spotlights.

-Ichigo is fighting against Ikkaku, Renji, Rukia and lots more people.

-Renji forgets about Rukia --> He also forgets that he could do Bankai and every memories about gaining bankai was lost also. Zabimaru (shikai) got it’s spotlight after so long.

-The second half of the movie will based around regaining the memories.

-Those who had relation with Rukia’s past are two children. (more information will definitely be a spoiler)

-The two children are pair of a boy and a girl. This is their first participation in Bleach for both of the children’s seiyuus.

-Kon’s last speech was quite touching and made Morita-san, “I cried a bit”

-Kubo-sensei came to the recording. He really fussed over theatrical elocution and made a lot of corrections.

-Kubo-sensei ate lunch while reading the scenario. He drew manga drafts during editing. He seemed so busy.

-Pierrot is now in the middle of production.

So what do you guys think?

SePHIIIroTH wrote:

Cid wrote:

SePHIIIroTH wrote: I’mma need the official translation for the movie

Where can i find something like that?

Official dub for the movie?i guess it works

@min 18

Ukitake’s report to yamamoto

Cid wrote: The official English translations was much more useful than I thought it’d be.

So one spirit-mile is 2.4 miles. If the Seireitei is 400 spirit-miles in diamter, that means it’s about 1000 miles.

Cid wrote:

Kurosaki wrote:

Cid wrote: Where does the 400 come from?

diameter = 2x radius

Makes sense then.

Here’s your visual representation of the size of Seireitei now. 960 miles in diameter.

Royal Palace’s cites are even smaller than Seireitei individually.

The wall that surrounds Seireitei also guards the Royal Palace itself.

And of course, Nimaiya’s city has an entire sea surrounding it.