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Doctor. wrote:

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Doctor. wrote: If I used that type of scaling, I would say Piccolo is small planet, instead of moon. You can say that Toriko is moon level the same way I can say Raditz is small planet level, but you can’t say that Mounturtle is multi-continent otherwise I would say Piccolo is multi-moon.

If Toriko and Piccolo are moon+, then you can only claim Raditz is multi-moon, not small planet.



Raditz is 5x stronger than Piccolo though.

329 is what was required to bust the moon.

Raditz was 1200-1300, and that’s less than 4x



Raditz was 1500.

Where do you get this from? Don’t say daizenshuu, because many power levels in that are messed up.

Raditz was severely hurt by 1307 and killed by 1440


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Bruce Wilson C. wrote:

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Bruce Wilson C. wrote: Chapter 1 toriko is 40 tons+ Saiyan Saga Goku struggled with 40 tons. and that was casual. cool

Than Toriko only gets stronger and stronger.
Serious Toriko can reach Namek saga Reecome and above. till First form frieza. at best or till Juice/Burter. but he can beat reecome.

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I’m Not trolling minus the 40 tons shit.
You tell me Goku and vegeta survive 50 tons plus punches.
when it took namek saga for goku to train first to 50 G

50x120kg. is 6 tons max.
Vegeta struggled to push is strength at 50 G.
I most likely believe toriko capable of surviving 100 G just fine. consider he can take on 20 Tons beast and above.



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Blitzkrieg wrote:

Doctor. wrote:

Blitzkrieg wrote:

Doctor. wrote:

Blitzkrieg wrote:

Doctor. wrote: If I used that type of scaling, I would say Piccolo is small planet, instead of moon. You can say that Toriko is moon level the same way I can say Raditz is small planet level, but you can’t say that Mounturtle is multi-continent otherwise I would say Piccolo is multi-moon.

If Toriko and Piccolo are moon+, then you can only claim Raditz is multi-moon, not small planet.



Raditz is 5x stronger than Piccolo though.

329 is what was required to bust the moon.

Raditz was 1200-1300, and that’s less than 4x



Raditz was 1500.

Where do you get this from? Don’t say daizenshuu, because many power levels in that are messed up.

Raditz was severely hurt by 1307 and killed by 1440



Multiple guidebooks say the same thing. Plus, Toriyammer approves of 4000 for Nappa, so you can imagine he can feel the same thing about Raditz, and it was said the Saibamen were CLOSE in power to Raditz.

Multiple characters were damaged by weaker characters before. Nappa was hurt by Piccolo and Kuririn multiple times in their fight. Freeza was hurt by Gohan and Piccolo, etc. If a character is caught off-guard, like Raditz was when Gohan attacked him (the Makankosappo doesn’t matter, Raditz noted his power decreased because of the headbutt), then he’ll get hurt.

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Acctually a power level of 139 is required to blow up the moon master roshi blew up the moon with that power level


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Doctor. wrote:

Blitzkrieg wrote:

Doctor. wrote:

Blitzkrieg wrote:

Doctor. wrote:

Blitzkrieg wrote:

Doctor. wrote: If I used that type of scaling, I would say Piccolo is small planet, instead of moon. You can say that Toriko is moon level the same way I can say Raditz is small planet level, but you can’t say that Mounturtle is multi-continent otherwise I would say Piccolo is multi-moon.

If Toriko and Piccolo are moon+, then you can only claim Raditz is multi-moon, not small planet.



Raditz is 5x stronger than Piccolo though.

329 is what was required to bust the moon.

Raditz was 1200-1300, and that’s less than 4x



Raditz was 1500.

Where do you get this from? Don’t say daizenshuu, because many power levels in that are messed up.

Raditz was severely hurt by 1307 and killed by 1440



Multiple guidebooks say the same thing. Plus, Toriyammer approves of 4000 for Nappa, so you can imagine he can feel the same thing about Raditz, and it was said the Saibamen were CLOSE in power to Raditz.

Multiple characters were damaged by weaker characters before. Nappa was hurt by Piccolo and Kuririn multiple times in their fight. Freeza was hurt by Gohan and Piccolo, etc. If a character is caught off-guard, like Raditz was when Gohan attacked him (the Makankosappo doesn’t matter, Raditz noted his power decreased because of the headbutt), then he’ll get hurt.

The guidebooks also say Piccolo daimao was 260 (stronger than BoZ tien) and Popo was 1000+, all of which is bull.

Raditz was not off guard when Gohan attacked him. He had enough time to record his power level as well as had his eyes clearly on him. And he was obviously not off guard during the special beam cannon lol.

1250 or 1300 is what makes sense for Raditz


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Blitzkrieg wrote: The guidebooks also say Piccolo daimao was 260 (stronger than BoZ tien) and Popo was 1000+, all of which is bull.



Popo’s powerlevel is from Shounen Jump, not the Daizenshuu.

Piccolo Daimao’s powerlevel is wrong, but it doesn’t mean every one of it is wrong.

Raditz was not off guard when Gohan attacked him. He had enough time to record his power level as well as had his eyes clearly on him. And he was obviously not off guard during the special beam cannon lol.



He was off-guard, he was going to kill Goku, read a powerlevel somewhere, saw Gohan and got attacked.

Raditz said that his power DECREASED after the headbutt, that’s why he was killed in the first place.

1250 or 1300 is what makes sense for Raditz



He wouldn’t be able to dodge the Makankosappo at that level.

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znjfl wrote:

Bruce Wilson C. wrote:

znjfl wrote:

Bruce Wilson C. wrote: Chapter 1 toriko is 40 tons+ Saiyan Saga Goku struggled with 40 tons. and that was casual. cool

Than Toriko only gets stronger and stronger.
Serious Toriko can reach Namek saga Reecome and above. till First form frieza. at best or till Juice/Burter. but he can beat reecome.

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Stop it.



I’m Not trolling minus the 40 tons shit.
You tell me Goku and vegeta survive 50 tons plus punches.
when it took namek saga for goku to train first to 50 G

50x120kg. is 6 tons max.
Vegeta struggled to push is strength at 50 G.
I most likely believe toriko capable of surviving 100 G just fine. consider he can take on 20 Tons beast and above.



Buh-bye.



OMG you guys are so tense. Never in history of shonen as ever been a more BS stuff.

Deus ex Machina examples:
=Raditz tail; The moon solved the Oozaru mystery, roshi moonbust than him not capable to lift a paper years later; restoring goku powers to kill Buu; everyone is legendary saiyan; somehow the kai remember of fusion stuff; multiple saiyan transformation where being super was the most hard to do ever; the idea of half saiyans never made a smart warrior race to try and see results; I’m nitpicking..Yes but Yeah tired to see the wank, and the downplay of other series not named DB.
Plus i for once read the manga and paid actual attention to plot holes, bad writing and miracle saving because god forbid anyoane not evil actual dies.
also the best deux ex machina Good Buu and Uub. ok with this I’m done with this thread.
also Yajirobe>>>Vegeta. grin
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Doctor. wrote: Popo’s powerlevel is from Shounen Jump, not the Daizenshuu.

Piccolo Daimao’s powerlevel is wrong, but it doesn’t mean every one of it is wrong.

If even 1 power level is wrong, the guidebook is no longer credible

He was off-guard, he was going to kill Goku, read a powerlevel somewhere, saw Gohan and got attacked.

Raditz said that his power DECREASED after the headbutt, that’s why he was killed in the first place.

Nappa’s power didnt decrease when you said Krillin and Piccolo 'injured' him. Neither did that happen for frieza

He wouldn’t be able to dodge the Makankosappo at that level.

He dodged it from a distance. You dont need to be as fast as a bullet to dodge it.

And the fact that he considered the need to dodge it means he cant tank it on his own.


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Round 1
Torkiro vs
EoSaiyan Saga : Goku and Vegeta

Verdict: You mean without ki? Well, Ki fuels their abilities, so Toriko might just take this.



Round 2 - Knock down, Drag out, Beat down:
- Physical Combat ONLY

Toriko vs
EoSayain Saga: Goku, Piccolo, Vegeta, Nappa, Raditz

Verdict: I odn’t see Toriko beating them, even without Ki.

Round 3 - All Out Fight
EoSaiyan Saga Goku

Verdict:Goku stomps hard.


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Blitzkrieg wrote: If even 1 power level is wrong, the guidebook is no longer credible



It’s more reliable than downplayer’s assumptions.

]Nappa’s power didnt decrease when you said Krillin and Piccolo 'injured' him. Neither did that happen for frieza



How do you know it didn’t? It wasn’t stated if it decreased or not.

He dodged it from a distance. You dont need to be as fast as a bullet to dodge it.



He dodged it almost at point blank.

And the fact that he considered the need to dodge it means he cant tank it on his own.



Perhaps he’ll just take heavy damage? Just like he did with the headbutt? If Raditz was 1200, the headbutt would have killed him.

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Doctor. wrote:
It’s more reliable than downplayer’s assumptions.

Which means its still not 100% reliable and shoudnt be used as a textbook.

How do you know it didn’t? It wasn’t stated if it decreased or not.

Because even Goku said it’ll take him forever to beat Nappa if he doesn’t use kaioken

He dodged it almost at point blank.

Where?

If the beam was at a meter away from him, he may only need to move half a meter to dodge it.

Perhaps he’ll just take heavy damage? Just like he did with the headbutt? If Raditz was 1200, the headbutt would have killed him.

I didn’t say 1200, but he’s surely below the headbutt as well as Piccolo’s first SBC.


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Bruce Wilson C. wrote:

znjfl wrote:

Bruce Wilson C. wrote:

znjfl wrote:

Bruce Wilson C. wrote: Chapter 1 toriko is 40 tons+ Saiyan Saga Goku struggled with 40 tons. and that was casual. cool

Than Toriko only gets stronger and stronger.
Serious Toriko can reach Namek saga Reecome and above. till First form frieza. at best or till Juice/Burter. but he can beat reecome.

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Stop it.



I’m Not trolling minus the 40 tons shit.
You tell me Goku and vegeta survive 50 tons plus punches.
when it took namek saga for goku to train first to 50 G

50x120kg. is 6 tons max.
Vegeta struggled to push is strength at 50 G.
I most likely believe toriko capable of surviving 100 G just fine. consider he can take on 20 Tons beast and above.



Buh-bye.



OMG you guys are so tense. Never in history of shonen as ever been a more BS stuff.

Deus ex Machina examples:
=Raditz tail; The moon solved the Oozaru mystery, roshi moonbust than him not capable to lift a paper years later; restoring goku powers to kill Buu; everyone is legendary saiyan; somehow the kai remember of fusion stuff; multiple saiyan transformation where being super was the most hard to do ever; the idea of half saiyans never made a smart warrior race to try and see results; I’m nitpicking..Yes but Yeah tired to see the wank, and the downplay of other series not named DB.
Plus i for once read the manga and paid actual attention to plot holes, bad writing and miracle saving because god forbid anyoane not evil actual dies.
also the best deux ex machina Good Buu and Uub. ok with this I’m done with this thread.
also Yajirobe>>>Vegeta. grin
/thread

Plot feats are still feats. I`m guessing Supes cant really fly FTL because the plot requies him to get that fast to the Sun?

Should have stopped when you wrote “derp”, because thats all your post was.


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Blitzkrieg wrote: Which means its still not 100% reliable and shoudnt be used as a textbook.



I can play that game too. Either you accept Daizenshuu, or you don’t accept the Bleach movie. Either one works out great for me m8. Double standards hurt, doesn’t it?

Because even Goku said it’ll take him forever to beat Nappa if he doesn’t use kaioken



Nappa has a “transformation”. He increased his power right before he started fighting and we had no indication of his power ever going down, meaning he never “turned it off”.

Where?

If the beam was at a meter away from him, he may only need to move half a meter to dodge it.



Piccolo wasn’t that far away from him lol. And typically in DB, an attack with a higher powerlevel than you is almost impossible to dodge unless your powerlevel is as high as it. Look at Goku’s Kamehameha against Piccolo.

I didn’t say 1200, but he’s surely below the headbutt as well as Piccolo’s first SBC.



If he was below the headbutt he would have died m8.

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Doctor. wrote: I can play that game too. Either you accept Daizenshuu, or you don’t accept the Bleach movie. Either one works out great for me m8. Double standards hurt, doesn’t it?

If I accepted the bleach movie I’d have said Kenpachi is continent-multi continent on the other thread and not large country+.

Nappa has a “transformation”. He increased his power right before he started fighting and we had no indication of his power ever going down, meaning he never “turned it off”.

What transformation does nappa have? scans?



Piccolo wasn’t that far away from him lol. And typically in DB, an attack with a higher powerlevel than you is almost impossible to dodge unless your powerlevel is as high as it. Look at Goku’s Kamehameha against Piccolo.

Goku was stronger than Piccolo and the KHH also has a multiplier, making it significantly stronger.

The SBC was however just a little above Raditz

If he was below the headbutt he would have died m8.

Not necessary. As you just said above, Piccolo survived goku’s KHH though he was weaker.


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Toriko hasn’t shown multi-continent feats...Blue Oni has enough combat skills to fight on par/defend against PRE-SERIOUS Horse King, though....but then he got fucked when Horse King got serious. LEL.

And besides, Toriko isn’t a DC character, per se. He’s more AP than DC (Kugi Punch). And Ultimate Routine is like HAX.

Actually, only top tiers are big DC characters. I don’t consider Zebra super-high DC, though. He has extremely high AP though (because of his fight with Mounturtle).

The biggest DC (also life/surface-wiper) we have seen in the series is Meteor Spice, and that was Multi-Continental.

That is the strongest DC feat that has been EXPLICITLY shown in the series.

I refuse to believe current Toriko is multi-continental (DON’T EVEN TRY TO SCALE HIS POWER!) until I see his attacks affecting multiple continents ON PANEL. Otherwise, he will remain of high AP character and semi-HAX character to me.


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Blitzkrieg wrote: If I accepted the bleach movie I’d have said Kenpachi is continent-multi continent on the other thread and not large country+.



If you didn’t accept the Bleach movie, Ulquiorra wouldn’t be country level lol.

What transformation does nappa have? scans?





There was never any indication that he turned it off.


The SBC was however just a little above Raditz



You don’t know that.

Not necessary. As you just said above, Piccolo survived goku’s KHH though he was weaker.



True, but no powerlevel for that Kamehameha was given. Shounen Jump gives 910 but we both know that’s bullshit, plus, Daizenshuu doesn’t use it.

We have almost no reason to doubt that Raditz is 1500.

Even if he isn’t, 4x or 5x is equal, it still is enough to make him small planet level.

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Yaoi God wrote: Toriko hasn’t shown multi-continent feats...Blue Oni has enough combat skills to fight on par/defend against PRE-SERIOUS Horse King, though....but then he got fucked when Horse King got serious. LEL.

And besides, Toriko isn’t a DC character, per se. He’s more AP than DC (Kugi Punch). And Ultimate Routine is like HAX.

Actually, only top tiers are big DC characters. I don’t consider Zebra super-high DC, though. He has extremely high AP though (because of his fight with Mounturtle).

The biggest DC (also life/surface-wiper) we have seen in the series is Meteor Spice, and that was Multi-Continental.

That is the strongest DC feat that has been EXPLICITLY shown in the series.

I refuse to believe current Toriko is multi-continental (DON’T EVEN TRY TO SCALE HIS POWER!) until I see his attacks affecting multiple continents ON PANEL. Otherwise, he will remain of high AP character and semi-HAX character to me.

We dont give a fuck DC. AP is what is more important anyway. SUperman is fucking mountain level if we look at DC...

If you have a problem thinking that someone who can scare to death(without a single punch) someone that can anal rape someone who can one shot someone who can destroy a continent by walking over it, is multi-continental...Thats your porblem.


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znjfl wrote:

Yaoi God wrote: Toriko hasn’t shown multi-continent feats...Blue Oni has enough combat skills to fight on par/defend against PRE-SERIOUS Horse King, though....but then he got fucked when Horse King got serious. LEL.

And besides, Toriko isn’t a DC character, per se. He’s more AP than DC (Kugi Punch). And Ultimate Routine is like HAX.

Actually, only top tiers are big DC characters. I don’t consider Zebra super-high DC, though. He has extremely high AP though (because of his fight with Mounturtle).

The biggest DC (also life/surface-wiper) we have seen in the series is Meteor Spice, and that was Multi-Continental.

That is the strongest DC feat that has been EXPLICITLY shown in the series.

I refuse to believe current Toriko is multi-continental (DON’T EVEN TRY TO SCALE HIS POWER!) until I see his attacks affecting multiple continents ON PANEL. Otherwise, he will remain of high AP character and semi-HAX character to me.

We dont give a fuck DC. AP is what is more important anyway. SUperman is fucking mountain level if we look at DC...

If you have a problem thinking that someone who can scare to death(without a single punch) someone that can anal rape someone who can one shot someone who can destroy a continent by walking over it, is multi-continental...Thats your porblem.



*cough* except most debates over feats are usually tied to DC *cough*


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Yaoi God wrote:

znjfl wrote:

Yaoi God wrote: Toriko hasn’t shown multi-continent feats...Blue Oni has enough combat skills to fight on par/defend against PRE-SERIOUS Horse King, though....but then he got fucked when Horse King got serious. LEL.

And besides, Toriko isn’t a DC character, per se. He’s more AP than DC (Kugi Punch). And Ultimate Routine is like HAX.

Actually, only top tiers are big DC characters. I don’t consider Zebra super-high DC, though. He has extremely high AP though (because of his fight with Mounturtle).

The biggest DC (also life/surface-wiper) we have seen in the series is Meteor Spice, and that was Multi-Continental.

That is the strongest DC feat that has been EXPLICITLY shown in the series.

I refuse to believe current Toriko is multi-continental (DON’T EVEN TRY TO SCALE HIS POWER!) until I see his attacks affecting multiple continents ON PANEL. Otherwise, he will remain of high AP character and semi-HAX character to me.

We dont give a fuck DC. AP is what is more important anyway. SUperman is fucking mountain level if we look at DC...

If you have a problem thinking that someone who can scare to death(without a single punch) someone that can anal rape someone who can one shot someone who can destroy a continent by walking over it, is multi-continental...Thats your porblem.



*cough* except most debates over feats are usually tied to DC *cough*

No they are tied to AP.

Tanking a certain level of DC and then getting one-shotted by a punch is simply a good way of meassuring AP, which is, and allways will be more important. Unless you actually believe Superman is mountain level for example...


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lolol the butthurt DBZ tards XD 40 tons is cannon, it has a direct statement try to disprove it, which means anyone weaker than base Goku gets 40 tonned smiley

No power scaling? cool, Raditz is mountain level since power scaling is not allowed so no scaling from picoolo since we can’t scale from Mount turtle wink

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