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znjfl wrote: Except who ever said this is Base Toriko?

And Raditz is about as small planet level as Toriko is. Slightly more. Except Toriko is faster, can accumulate multpiple attacks into one, and can probability manipulate to make his attack more effective than they actually are.

He can DEFINITELY hurt him, and he is faster. Flight and AoE are the only major advantage.



Sure then, Blue Oni solos Saiyan saga.

But if this is indeed base Toriko, then that type of powerscalling is now banned. You can scale Toriko from Mounturtle, who is continental, but you can’t put him at small planet level. That’s just the same kind of abuse as star level Freeza. Moon or Moon+ is sufficient.

It works with Raditz because there isn’t a big gap between Moon+ and Small Planet. It wouldn’t be an easy match for Toriko, tbqh.

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Doctor. wrote:

znjfl wrote: Except who ever said this is Base Toriko?

And Raditz is about as small planet level as Toriko is. Slightly more. Except Toriko is faster, can accumulate multpiple attacks into one, and can probability manipulate to make his attack more effective than they actually are.

He can DEFINITELY hurt him, and he is faster. Flight and AoE are the only major advantage.



Sure then, Blue Oni solos Saiyan saga.

But if this is indeed base Toriko, then that type of powerscalling is now banned. You can scale Toriko from Mounturtle, who is continental, but you can’t put him at small planet level. That’s just the same kind of abuse as star level Freeza. Moon or Moon+ is sufficient.

It works with Raditz because there isn’t a big gap between Moon+ and Small Planet. It wouldn’t be an easy match for Toriko, tbqh.



Moon+ basically is small planet. Hundreds of Moon-Moon+ attacks accumulated into one and amped with probability manipulation can definetly hurt someone who is like half a destructive tier superior.


I also never said it would be an easy fight. You however said, and I quote “Current Toriko is lucky if he damages one of Raditz' leg hairs”.


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znjfl wrote:

Doctor. wrote:

znjfl wrote: Except who ever said this is Base Toriko?

And Raditz is about as small planet level as Toriko is. Slightly more. Except Toriko is faster, can accumulate multpiple attacks into one, and can probability manipulate to make his attack more effective than they actually are.

He can DEFINITELY hurt him, and he is faster. Flight and AoE are the only major advantage.



Sure then, Blue Oni solos Saiyan saga.

But if this is indeed base Toriko, then that type of powerscalling is now banned. You can scale Toriko from Mounturtle, who is continental, but you can’t put him at small planet level. That’s just the same kind of abuse as star level Freeza. Moon or Moon+ is sufficient.

It works with Raditz because there isn’t a big gap between Moon+ and Small Planet. It wouldn’t be an easy match for Toriko, tbqh.



Moon+ basically is small planet. Hundreds of Moon-Moon+ attacks accumulated into one and amped with probability manipulation can definetly hurt someone who is like half a destructive tier superior.


I also never said it would be an easy fight. You however said, and I quote “Current Toriko is lucky if he damages one of Raditz' leg hairs”.



Are you sure ONE Kugi is moon level? Isn’t it just all of them combined?

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Doctor. wrote:

znjfl wrote:

Doctor. wrote:

znjfl wrote: Except who ever said this is Base Toriko?

And Raditz is about as small planet level as Toriko is. Slightly more. Except Toriko is faster, can accumulate multpiple attacks into one, and can probability manipulate to make his attack more effective than they actually are.

He can DEFINITELY hurt him, and he is faster. Flight and AoE are the only major advantage.



Sure then, Blue Oni solos Saiyan saga.

But if this is indeed base Toriko, then that type of powerscalling is now banned. You can scale Toriko from Mounturtle, who is continental, but you can’t put him at small planet level. That’s just the same kind of abuse as star level Freeza. Moon or Moon+ is sufficient.

It works with Raditz because there isn’t a big gap between Moon+ and Small Planet. It wouldn’t be an easy match for Toriko, tbqh.



Moon+ basically is small planet. Hundreds of Moon-Moon+ attacks accumulated into one and amped with probability manipulation can definetly hurt someone who is like half a destructive tier superior.


I also never said it would be an easy fight. You however said, and I quote “Current Toriko is lucky if he damages one of Raditz' leg hairs”.



Are you sure ONE Kugi is moon level? Isn’t it just all of them combined?



Well, you could argue a single ordinary punch(something that Toriko doesnt even need for a lvl 600 beast) is sooooo far above multi-continental that its not very far below Moon level. So a hundred of those accumulated into one would be at least Moon+. Further added to the fact that his probability manipulation amps it even more. The more Raditz gets damaged, the more potent will CoK be. We are talking about a faster character here, who has less durability and less potency, but enough to hurt Raditz.

Imo the only way Raditz possibly wins this is if he managed to outlast Toriko to the point where Toriko gets exhausted. And seeing as Toriko is the one with the speed advantage, I dont see that happening.


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znjfl wrote: Well, you could argue a single ordinary punch(something that Toriko doesnt even need for a lvl 600 beast) is sooooo far above multi-continental that its not very far below Moon level. So a hundred of those accumulated into one would be at least Moon+. Further added to the fact that his probability manipulation amps it even more. The more Raditz gets damaged, the more potent will CoK be. We are talking about a faster character here, who has less durability and less potency, but enough to hurt Raditz.

Imo the only way Raditz possibly wins this is if he managed to outlast Toriko to the point where Toriko gets exhausted. And seeing as Toriko is the one with the speed advantage, I dont see that happening.



Aren’t you underestimating Raditz' durability here? I mean, he stopped a (likely) multi-moon level Kamehameha in potency with his hand, leaving only a few scratches.

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Doctor. wrote:

znjfl wrote: Well, you could argue a single ordinary punch(something that Toriko doesnt even need for a lvl 600 beast) is sooooo far above multi-continental that its not very far below Moon level. So a hundred of those accumulated into one would be at least Moon+. Further added to the fact that his probability manipulation amps it even more. The more Raditz gets damaged, the more potent will CoK be. We are talking about a faster character here, who has less durability and less potency, but enough to hurt Raditz.

Imo the only way Raditz possibly wins this is if he managed to outlast Toriko to the point where Toriko gets exhausted. And seeing as Toriko is the one with the speed advantage, I dont see that happening.



Aren’t you underestimating Raditz' durability here? I mean, he stopped a (likely) multi-moon level Kamehameha in potency with his hand, leaving only a few scratches.


I`m not underestimating his durability here. I have said that he is more durable, and more potent. Toriko however is faster and CAN hurt him. Even if his regular punch would just slightly bruise him. His Kugi punch would straight up do damage. His CoK is amping him up the entire time. He has Leg Knife which is more of a cutting attack and can injure him easier than a blunt attack. And the more and more he gets injured, and the lower and lower his Ki gets, not only does he weaken physically, but Toriko`s CoK gets more potent.

I`m not saying Toriko stomps him. I`m saying he wins.


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Piccolo was already moon + casually since he vaporize the moon, the attack is >> Moon +


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znjfl wrote:

Doctor. wrote:

znjfl wrote: Well, you could argue a single ordinary punch(something that Toriko doesnt even need for a lvl 600 beast) is sooooo far above multi-continental that its not very far below Moon level. So a hundred of those accumulated into one would be at least Moon+. Further added to the fact that his probability manipulation amps it even more. The more Raditz gets damaged, the more potent will CoK be. We are talking about a faster character here, who has less durability and less potency, but enough to hurt Raditz.

Imo the only way Raditz possibly wins this is if he managed to outlast Toriko to the point where Toriko gets exhausted. And seeing as Toriko is the one with the speed advantage, I dont see that happening.



Aren’t you underestimating Raditz' durability here? I mean, he stopped a (likely) multi-moon level Kamehameha in potency with his hand, leaving only a few scratches.


I`m not underestimating his durability here. I have said that he is more durable, and more potent. Toriko however is faster and CAN hurt him. Even if his regular punch would just slightly bruise him. His Kugi punch would straight up do damage. His CoK is amping him up the entire time. He has Leg Knife which is more of a cutting attack and can injure him easier than a blunt attack. And the more and more he gets injured, and the lower and lower his Ki gets, not only does he weaken physically, but Toriko`s CoK gets more potent.

I`m not saying Toriko stomps him. I`m saying he wins.



The Kamehameha was 3x stronger than Piccolo’s casual moon buster (some people even calced his blast as a small planet buster).

Sure Toriko is faster, but with Raditz flying all over the place, it’s not going to be too easy to tag him.

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Doctor. wrote:

znjfl wrote:

Doctor. wrote:

znjfl wrote:

Doctor. wrote:

znjfl wrote: Toriko isnt soloing Sayian saga, it isnt beating JUST Goku.

But the verse has characters that can easily solo.



Current Toriko is lucky if he damages one of Raditz' leg hairs m8

Current Toriko would beat Raditz.



Current Toriko should be multi continent, likely moon level. He’s faster, but not more durable nor does he have more DC.

A faster Moon level character who can accumulate hundreds of strikes into a single punch and can probability manipulate them to increase their efficency can beat a slower Moon+ character.

Plus if Raditz actually manages to seriously injure Toriko, his Blue Oni would come out and fuckstomp him across the planet.



Raditz is small planet level though.

Blue Oni is “banned”, of course. It’s the same as saying base Naruto but then someone saying he can go 9 tails if he started to lose.

mounturtle was continent level by walking on it.

At full power it&#146;ll be multi continent+, and yet its just some level 100 fodder.



That type of powerscalling is now banned m8.




What kind of scaling would that be?
A non charged attack being continent being multi at full power? I dont know a lot about Toriko.
I always scale that way
like with dbz I go:
Base = Charged Mountain buster
someone much stronger = Casual buster
Someone much stronger= = Charged Mt. Range Buster
Someone much stronger = Casual Mt. Range Buster


After typing the following I relized Its realy long, But If you or anyone wants to read it, I am talking about DBZ scaling and what people think is fair/accurate to go by, and whats allowed here:


EDIT: I may have missed a post , after reading it, nvm I think I understand, and its actually my type thats ok, and NOT the scaling frieza to star, goku to galaxy etc etc




I always found that better than Scaling off power levels, or Faux scaling off power levels, where people say " Well frieza is hundreds millions of times stronger than Vegeta, so, Frieza is star level”
I mean, I have just never seen a reason to scale it like that, dbz tends to make the characters hugely more powerful than each other, you cant count out the fact that person A cant even be hurt by character B, but I dont think its good to scale that into silly amounts of DC. I never really think scaling much past the tier that is shown by feats. I.e Planet>Large Planet >Multi Planet stop. Solar System> Multi Solar STOP. Sorry for going off topic but I was curious because I see A LOT of scaling on here especially for DBZ, and I am always intrested what the rules are, and what people think is accurate. I always thought my method. of going from Base>Large>Multi and adding “casual” as an inbetween was the most people should scale out.


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Ezaru wrote: A non charged attack being continent being multi at full power? I dont know a lot about Toriko.



I don’t know if it’s multi at full power but a random fodder destroyed a continent by walking through it. A fodder current Toriko can easily kill just by literally, and not exaggerating here, looking at it.

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Chapter 1 toriko is 40 tons+ Saiyan Saga Goku struggled with 40 tons. and that was casual. cool

Than Toriko only gets stronger and stronger.
Serious Toriko can reach Namek saga Reecome and above. till First form frieza. at best or till Juice/Burter. but he can beat reecome.


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Bruce Wilson C. wrote: Chapter 1 toriko is 40 tons+ Saiyan Saga Goku struggled with 40 tons. and that was casual. cool

Than Toriko only gets stronger and stronger.
Serious Toriko can reach Namek saga Reecome and above. till First form frieza. at best or till Juice/Burter. but he can beat reecome.



40 tons is banned from VS. Use it again and you’ll get reported.

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Bruce Wilson C. wrote: Chapter 1 toriko is 40 tons+ Saiyan Saga Goku struggled with 40 tons. and that was casual. cool

Than Toriko only gets stronger and stronger.
Serious Toriko can reach Namek saga Reecome and above. till First form frieza. at best or till Juice/Burter. but he can beat reecome.

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Stop it.


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Doctor. wrote:

znjfl wrote:

Doctor. wrote:

znjfl wrote:

Doctor. wrote:

znjfl wrote: Toriko isnt soloing Sayian saga, it isnt beating JUST Goku.

But the verse has characters that can easily solo.



Current Toriko is lucky if he damages one of Raditz' leg hairs m8

Current Toriko would beat Raditz.



Current Toriko should be multi continent, likely moon level. He’s faster, but not more durable nor does he have more DC.

A faster Moon level character who can accumulate hundreds of strikes into a single punch and can probability manipulate them to increase their efficency can beat a slower Moon+ character.

Plus if Raditz actually manages to seriously injure Toriko, his Blue Oni would come out and fuckstomp him across the planet.



Raditz is small planet level though.

Blue Oni is “banned”, of course. It’s the same as saying base Naruto but then someone saying he can go 9 tails if he started to lose.

mounturtle was continent level by walking on it.

At full power it&#146;ll be multi continent+, and yet its just some level 100 fodder.



That type of powerscalling is now banned m8.

Then Raditz is also just moon+ and not small planet


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Blitzkrieg wrote:

Doctor. wrote:

znjfl wrote:

Doctor. wrote:

znjfl wrote:

Doctor. wrote:

znjfl wrote: Toriko isnt soloing Sayian saga, it isnt beating JUST Goku.

But the verse has characters that can easily solo.



Current Toriko is lucky if he damages one of Raditz' leg hairs m8

Current Toriko would beat Raditz.



Current Toriko should be multi continent, likely moon level. He’s faster, but not more durable nor does he have more DC.

A faster Moon level character who can accumulate hundreds of strikes into a single punch and can probability manipulate them to increase their efficency can beat a slower Moon+ character.

Plus if Raditz actually manages to seriously injure Toriko, his Blue Oni would come out and fuckstomp him across the planet.



Raditz is small planet level though.

Blue Oni is “banned”, of course. It’s the same as saying base Naruto but then someone saying he can go 9 tails if he started to lose.

mounturtle was continent level by walking on it.

At full power it&#146;ll be multi continent+, and yet its just some level 100 fodder.



That type of powerscalling is now banned m8.

Then Raditz is also just moon+ and not small planet



If I used that type of scaling, I would say Piccolo is small planet, instead of moon. You can say that Toriko is moon level the same way I can say Raditz is small planet level, but you can’t say that Mounturtle is multi-continent otherwise I would say Piccolo is multi-moon.

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Doctor. wrote: If I used that type of scaling, I would say Piccolo is small planet, instead of moon. You can say that Toriko is moon level the same way I can say Raditz is small planet level, but you can’t say that Mounturtle is multi-continent otherwise I would say Piccolo is multi-moon.

If Toriko and Piccolo are moon+, then you can only claim Raditz is multi-moon, not small planet.


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znjfl wrote:

Bruce Wilson C. wrote: Chapter 1 toriko is 40 tons+ Saiyan Saga Goku struggled with 40 tons. and that was casual. cool

Than Toriko only gets stronger and stronger.
Serious Toriko can reach Namek saga Reecome and above. till First form frieza. at best or till Juice/Burter. but he can beat reecome.

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Stop it.



I’m Not trolling minus the 40 tons shit.
You tell me Goku and vegeta survive 50 tons plus punches.
when it took namek saga for goku to train first to 50 G

50x120kg. is 6 tons max.
Vegeta struggled to push is strength at 50 G.
I most likely believe toriko capable of surviving 100 G just fine. consider he can take on 20 Tons beast and above.


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Blitzkrieg wrote:

Doctor. wrote: If I used that type of scaling, I would say Piccolo is small planet, instead of moon. You can say that Toriko is moon level the same way I can say Raditz is small planet level, but you can’t say that Mounturtle is multi-continent otherwise I would say Piccolo is multi-moon.

If Toriko and Piccolo are moon+, then you can only claim Raditz is multi-moon, not small planet.



Raditz is 5x stronger than Piccolo though.

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Doctor. wrote:

Blitzkrieg wrote:

Doctor. wrote: If I used that type of scaling, I would say Piccolo is small planet, instead of moon. You can say that Toriko is moon level the same way I can say Raditz is small planet level, but you can’t say that Mounturtle is multi-continent otherwise I would say Piccolo is multi-moon.

If Toriko and Piccolo are moon+, then you can only claim Raditz is multi-moon, not small planet.



Raditz is 5x stronger than Piccolo though.

329 is what was required to bust the moon.

Raditz was 1200-1300, and that’s less than 4x


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Blitzkrieg wrote:

Doctor. wrote:

Blitzkrieg wrote:

Doctor. wrote: If I used that type of scaling, I would say Piccolo is small planet, instead of moon. You can say that Toriko is moon level the same way I can say Raditz is small planet level, but you can’t say that Mounturtle is multi-continent otherwise I would say Piccolo is multi-moon.

If Toriko and Piccolo are moon+, then you can only claim Raditz is multi-moon, not small planet.



Raditz is 5x stronger than Piccolo though.

329 is what was required to bust the moon.

Raditz was 1200-1300, and that’s less than 4x



Raditz was 1500.

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