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[Reply] #101
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I know how to spell “Schizophrenia”. Because he must be crazy to think what he stated in that post.


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He’s just an ignorant hypocrite.


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Hm... agreed.


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Ha, I just saw Sean of the Dead. And I’m not talking about your long lost brother, I’m talking about the movie. Not exactly amazing.


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Sir SeanConnery wrote: Truly. If you aim to tarnish the name of another type of music, be prepared to have anything associated with your type of music effectively used against your argument.


Listen here if he is going to say that most of the rap community is in prison it is not to be honest I never heard of an E-40, Eminem, or Ludacris fan killing everyone in his school. Now look here “Mr. Politically Correct” I went through too much in my life to have the type of music that let me live through it without committing suicide sit here and be disrespected, so it is my human nature when I am attacked to attack back and strike harder than before. In fact rap has more poetry in it than you can imagine but you can’t process that. Have you ever heard of Lupe Fiasco? Here are some of his lyrics:
“I’m fearless
Now hear this
I’m earless
And I’m peerless
That means I’m eyeless
Which means I’m tearless
Which means my iris resides where my ears is
Which means I’m blinded
But I’mma find it I can feel it’s nearness
But I’mma veer so I don’t come near
Like a chicken or a deer
But I remember I’m not a listener or a seer so my windshield smear
Here, you steer, I really shouldn’t be behind this, clearly cause my blindness
The windshield is minstrel, the whole grill is roadkill, so trill and so sincere. Yeah, I’m
Both them there
Took both pills, when a bloke in a trench coat and the locs in the chair had approached him
Here
And he clear as a ghost, so a biter of the throats in the mirror
The writer of the quotes for the ghosts who supplier of the notes to the living
Riveting is rosy, pockets full of posies, given to the mother of the deceased. Awaken at war,
'til I’m restin' in peace." Now do you understand that poetry? It means that he feels he has no control over what his peers think of him and he wants to change it and he is willing to change them over to his side of thinking even if it means death. I just want you to understand that in order to enjoy the music you need to listen to it a lot more closely and enjoy it. I listen to some rock but all of these people that are not willing to try and reason are just ignorant in their ways and look there was even a Message board opened up called “Rock rapes the Hell out of Rap” and you said I was a sexual deviant that was just a joke as you can see I can be as political as
Barrack Obama and still listen to my type of music as well as yours. So why don’t you rockers leave the rap community alone?

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Gladly. But as far as this thread is concerned, and as long as it is titled; ROCK VS RAP; I intend to attempt making a point I beleive firmly in.

And I don’t think rap is bad, and I wasn’t the one who said all rap fans are in jail. Because I am a rap fan, and if I was in jail, I probaly wouldn’t be allowed to use a computer. However, rock has more history, variations, styles, and artists than rap. And frankly, I think that very soon, with the end of the record industry, we will all see which types of music live on without record companies, and with iPods and Zunes.

And I am glad to hear that some inspirational music kept you alive, and from killing yourself, no matter what type of sound it is, music is something that has more power and potential than most people realize. But reallistically, most people that listen to rock or rap arn’t suicidal, because both have such large fan bases. There are those who don’t care for their lives in each group, but I don’t think we can accurately estimate which has more suicidal proponents.


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Rock still easily and effectively dominates rap though.


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I intend to do the same as well with standing by my decision.

Now I appreciate that you stand by both as I but some of these rock fans are very stereotypical about the genre of rap and I realize that the hip-hop record industry will collapse due to the underground. Now you made the point that rock has more of a history but rap has a richer and much thicker history than rock. Another point that you made was about variations consonance, assonance, half rhyme, or internal rhyme, whimsical, flowas (use of figurative language to express emotion), multisyllabic rhyme, improv. Thats just ways of rhyming there are several different styles of subject matter and location as well so for every rapper there is a different styles of rap. Now I am about to open a new chapter when my album comes out in 2009 I’m going to create a healing hip-hop that aids emotionally, because last year my parents were shot down in front of me and the year before that my friend got his throat slashed in th street when he and I were walking through our usual short cut but instead of turning into Batman I turned in to Eminem and Jay-Z and my idols growing up. And with artist in short supply there are enough underground labels that the artist don’t want to leave because they are scared. Flo-Rida and I were friends on the Underground Circuit in Miami and he was upset that he might get killed by someone if he went pro. So he did a style tat prevented him from getting shot, he went with the club, dance, and stuntin' styles of rap. Each of us have our own goal tat we reach for mine is to prove peoople wrong about rap music.

By the way you said there was no way of finding out? A few months back I made a poll on this website quibblo for family members that had lost loved ones to suicide and over 53% said heavy metal which was followed by rock at 31% (but I don’t blame them if they were listening to Fall Out Boy that stuff makes me want to kill myself) and rap and gospel music came in last place with rap at 16% and gospel at 0%.

You see for a 14 year old I know my stuff.

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And if you created a similar poll over children killed by gunfire and knife crime, rap would be the clear winner. So what’s your point exactly?


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Shady315 wrote: I intend to do the same as well with standing by my decision.

Now I appreciate that you stand by both as I but some of these rock fans are very stereotypical about the genre of rap and I realize that the hip-hop record industry will collapse due to the underground. Now you made the point that rock has more of a history but rap has a richer and much thicker history than rock. Another point that you made was about variations consonance, assonance, half rhyme, or internal rhyme, whimsical, flowas (use of figurative language to express emotion), multisyllabic rhyme, improv. Thats just ways of rhyming there are several different styles of subject matter and location as well so for every rapper there is a different styles of rap. Now I am about to open a new chapter when my album comes out in 2009 I’m going to create a healing hip-hop that aids emotionally, because last year my parents were shot down in front of me and the year before that my friend got his throat slashed in th street when he and I were walking through our usual short cut but instead of turning into Batman I turned in to Eminem and Jay-Z and my idols growing up. And with artist in short supply there are enough underground labels that the artist don’t want to leave because they are scared. Flo-Rida and I were friends on the Underground Circuit in Miami and he was upset that he might get killed by someone if he went pro. So he did a style tat prevented him from getting shot, he went with the club, dance, and stuntin' styles of rap. Each of us have our own goal tat we reach for mine is to prove peoople wrong about rap music.

By the way you said there was no way of finding out? A few months back I made a poll on this website quibblo for family members that had lost loved ones to suicide and over 53% said heavy metal which was followed by rock at 31% (but I don’t blame them if they were listening to Fall Out Boy that stuff makes me want to kill myself) and rap and gospel music came in last place with rap at 16% and gospel at 0%.

You see for a 14 year old I know my stuff.



I would like to commend you for being perhaps one of the most sensible people I have seen here in a long time. Really, providing valid points, with sound reasoning behind each one in an argumen?! It has been unheard of here too long. And I also take great interest in your story. As for the other rock fans here, they are not completely incorrect, although you are absolutely right. There are many negative stereotypes, and misconceptions about rap. But most of them are based on, sadly, actual truth. Such as the stereotype that all fans of rap get in gunfights. This is largely due to the publicity that shootings involving rappers get, and often the response. There is much resentment between some rappers, and the attitudes of some of their fans don’t help. For example, take Tupac’s getting shot. Everyone heard about it, and he had such a large fan base, but was also known enemies with Big. So after Tupac got shot, it was no surprise that Big got shot. Because ceartain rap fans react to violence with violence. I’m not saying that never happens with rock, because it has the infamous Mosh Pits, but it does happen more commonly and publicly amongst rappers.

Not just the Rap Record industry will collapse, THE Record Industry will collapse. Few people buy CD’s anymore, and illegal pirating of music is at an unforseen high. Soon, the idea of superstardom will be a memory of the past. Garage bands, and “underground” artists will become as popular as mainstream ones. And on the history and styles issue, the style or rock goes much further back in history than rap. And while I do realize how many styles of rap there are, you have to consider all the music types that are, in fact, rock. Rock n Roll, Hard Rock, Metal, Death Metal, Ballad Rock, Emo Rock, Punk Rock, Goth Rock, Techno Rock, Euro-Rock, Soft Rock, Grunge Rock, and Country Rock to name a few.

As for your personal type of rap, I have only the best wishes for you. I hoope you can help many with your new sound, as well as benefit for yourself. God knows you need it. And about Fall Out Boy, wow. I dislike them intensely too. You should start your title as “Stand In Boy” just to mock their discouraging emo music.


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And although I have yet to reveal my age on this website, I assure you, your intellectual development for your age does not go unnappreciated.

Although I still say Rock Rolls over Rap.


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DrumIntoTheNight no one asked you for your input on the violence in rap music. It was a debate between me and
Sir SeanConnery here, but I would like to diverge my attention back to OUR conversation. Even though there are many based on the truth it doesn’t mean that they are abundantly true. It is known that violence is usually answered by more violence now Biggie was shot by a police officer and the NYPD was trying to keep it under wraps I know because my father worked for the NYPD and Tupac was shot on the Las Vegas strip after a Mike Tyson fight so more people saw Tupac get shot than the last Episode of Seinfeld so it is obvious the government is hiding something You see the truth is that violence in rap is being replaced by a new form of rap. The three most popular rap albums of 2007 were: Kanye West, Graduation; Common, Finding Forever; and Jay-Z, Kingdom Come. These are all rap albums that had meaningful lyrical geniuses and it proves rap is changing and turning from violence to inspiration. One example of this is Eminem his biggest selling album was the Eminem Show in 2002 which featured the hit single “Cleaning Out My Closet”. Now he had some violent songs on there but the other songs he had were very political and offered some insight into the mind of an artist and people liked that better than the Slim Shady LP which had the song and “Kill You” and “Guilty Conscience” which are some of his most graphic songs to date besides “Kim”.

Now on the issue of the collapse of the industry I feel that the underground artist deserve more than some of these artist nowadays because they rap about things that matter and not the size of their chain. For a while I was signed to Runyon Ave. record which is a partner of Shady Records in Detroit, but I moved down to Florida when my parents were killed and I was scared that I was next so I had to move, but I digress. On the issue of history and styles, Hip-Hop was derived back from the days of slavery to jazz and it evolved into what it sadly is now and like rock there are even styles that no one has ever heard of so I believe that we are pretty equal when it comes to that issue.

And Fall Out Boy...My ex-girlfriend use to listen to that and she thought their guitarist was the cutest guy in the world (which means I must not be that good looking) and I hated it when she and my friends girlfriend would take it and blast it in my friends car just to where I couldn’t even here myself think (it’s the reason why we broke up). But I couldn’t stand it they don’t even have meaningful lyrics. The only song that I liked that she did was
Panic! At the Disco “Suicide is Martyrdom with Less Press Coverage” and that is because the guitar on it was killer. She didn’t even like Dragon Force! But I’m getting off topic. I realize that a lot of the hip-hop community takes things out of hand but the truth is the majority of the hip-hop fan base now is the Caucasian community. And I appreciate that you and I could discuss this in a mannerly fashion and settle this like human beings with out interrupting one another. And even though you stand by rock I stand by rap because hip-hop is my life story.

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It’s an open forum, you mindless tool.


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in all seriousness, Shady315, THANK YOU. the one thing that really gets me about rap fans on here is when they insist on talking intelligibly. it just makes them sound ridiculous. i don’t agree with your musical taiste, but i know what your saying. music has a way of changing people’s lives. i think that is why this can be such a heated argument.

let me say...rap that actually means something, that isn’t just about random shit, it has my respect. i don’t think i’ll ever like rap as much as i like rock, but that stuff is pretty cool.

BUT, rock goes back further then rap, and rock is broader then rap. just wanted to say that. here’s a list of rock genres: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rock_genres

they also have a lot of sub-sub-genres. for example, under rock, you have metal, under that, there are about 18 types of metal, including speed metal, death metal, thrash metal, and metalcore.


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Shady, if you’re talking about Pete Wentz, I have nothing but jokes to make about that toolbox.

And it is an open forumn, so Drum can say whatever he wants, just as you and I can.

And kev states my opinion with considerable accuracy. I have great respect for rap as well as rock, but I know that rock will always have more of a history, as well as a more diverse range of styles. Beleive me, theres nothing I like more than putting Gears of War into my 360, going online, whipping out my shotty, and blowing people away to Get Back by Ludacris, or Hells Bells by ACDC. But I have heard both sounds, admired both styles, and I just think Rock is “more solid”.


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rap is better then all music.


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Rap is music; but Rock is melody.


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And, uhh, shady, I listen to metal, and it has actually helped me to not go on a killing rampage or hang myself. Im sure there are others like this. And the school shooters, klebold and harris? listened to industrial. That shit is bleak.


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Damn straight.


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