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Cid wrote:

The World Champion wrote:

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SpiraI wrote: Only issue I’m seeing is in posters like Nena who seem to ask for proof about claims more than debating or refuting the evidence given.



Nothing wrong with asking for proof. lol

cid can you address things like fake scans?



What kind of fake scans? I’ve never even encountered this issue.

Hell Hath No Fury wrote: Cid, can you ban people who misconstrue feats. Like post a scan and leave out important parts of the scan in order to lie?



This, I can’t do anything about. If you run into this issue often, you should ask for scans from a page or two prior and after in order to place it within context. If they’re not lying, they should have no problem providing the additional pages. If they refuse or are unable to do so, then you could theoretically treat it as being in violation of the rule on backing claims.

scans like in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zCbv41UGtQ of goku beating kaguya which I don’t even know if those scans are canon and real so Im just assuming there fake but if such things existed then wont the problem of fake scans or non canon scans start


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07-05-2014 12:52 AM
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The World Champion wrote:

Cid wrote:

The World Champion wrote:

Cid wrote:

SpiraI wrote: Only issue I’m seeing is in posters like Nena who seem to ask for proof about claims more than debating or refuting the evidence given.



Nothing wrong with asking for proof. lol

cid can you address things like fake scans?



What kind of fake scans? I’ve never even encountered this issue.

Hell Hath No Fury wrote: Cid, can you ban people who misconstrue feats. Like post a scan and leave out important parts of the scan in order to lie?



This, I can’t do anything about. If you run into this issue often, you should ask for scans from a page or two prior and after in order to place it within context. If they’re not lying, they should have no problem providing the additional pages. If they refuse or are unable to do so, then you could theoretically treat it as being in violation of the rule on backing claims.

scans like in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zCbv41UGtQ of goku beating kaguya which I don’t even know if those scans are canon and real so Im just assuming there fake but if such things existed then wont the problem of fake scans or non canon scans start



Posting fan made scans in attempt to downplay or troll would fall under the no-trolling rule. While those scans would be fine in VS Casual, in the normal section they are not.

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Cid wrote:

Zeed wrote:

Chaos Theory wrote: Nonsensical?

Like what?

Things like 'Digimon can emerge into the real world, so the physics in that world is completely different from ours' or something like that.

I remember Gay Lord trying to downplay Digimon with it. I can see if I still have PMs regarding it somewhere.



Just sounds like trolling to me. That’d fall under him using erroneous statements in order to get under your skin.

Alrighty, thanks.


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Zeed wrote:

Chaos Theory wrote: Nonsensical?

Like what?

Things like 'Digimon can emerge into the real world, so the physics in that world is completely different from ours' or something like that.

I remember Gay Lord trying to downplay Digimon with it. I can see if I still have PMs regarding it somewhere.

Things that, while they can be supported, cannot exactly be refuted.



With Equalization, that wouldn’t matter anyway.

In a Vs Setting all characters are considered to be able to interact with and fight one another or there’d be no debate


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Cid wrote: Posts such as “Goku Solos” or any variation thereof will be deleted and numerous posts like these will require further moderator action such as bans.


About time


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Cid wrote:
Can we use calcs in our debates? Generally, the answer is no to all but simple calcs where all information is provided by the creator. (e.g. the author gives you a distance traveled and a time frame for it to occur in, you can definitely use them to obtain a speed) However, if you wish to make your own thread and allow all forms of calcs, you may. But it must be stated in the opening post. But be aware that the majority of The Lounge do not use or like calculations for fiction.



This one rule will cause plenty of problems. I do not accept it. Also, your one exemption to this rule is suspiciously specific and can only be applied in a few select Bleach-supporting cases.

Multilayered calcs shouldn’t be used as the foundation of your argument but if something clearly covers a good portion of the world, finding out how big that portion is should be a priority. This can only really be achieved through calcs or ballpark guesses. Of the two, calcs are usually the more accurate so I don’t approve of your ban on them.


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Chaos Theory wrote:

Zeed wrote:

Chaos Theory wrote: Nonsensical?

Like what?

Things like 'Digimon can emerge into the real world, so the physics in that world is completely different from ours' or something like that.

I remember Gay Lord trying to downplay Digimon with it. I can see if I still have PMs regarding it somewhere.

Things that, while they can be supported, cannot exactly be refuted.



With Equalization, that wouldn’t matter anyway.

In a Vs Setting all characters are considered to be able to interact with and fight one another or there’d be no debate

Yeah, for that particular one.

It’s just the general point though. Things that are just so utterly ridiculous you can’t refute them.


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Maybe next week I should work on a more detailed “VS Etiquette” post to go over things you should and shouldn’t do. *shrugs*

We also need a thread for members to make reports, since moderators are unable to see them. I’ll get that up and linked in the three rule threads tonight at some point.

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07-05-2014 12:56 AM
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Zeed wrote:

Chaos Theory wrote:

Zeed wrote:

Chaos Theory wrote: Nonsensical?

Like what?

Things like 'Digimon can emerge into the real world, so the physics in that world is completely different from ours' or something like that.

I remember Gay Lord trying to downplay Digimon with it. I can see if I still have PMs regarding it somewhere.

Things that, while they can be supported, cannot exactly be refuted.



With Equalization, that wouldn’t matter anyway.

In a Vs Setting all characters are considered to be able to interact with and fight one another or there’d be no debate

Yeah, for that particular one.

It’s just the general point though. Things that are just so utterly ridiculous you can’t refute them.



There would be no point to refute them under the guidelines on MvC.

As Cid stated, he was probably trying to troll you.


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Chaos Theory wrote:

Zeed wrote:

Chaos Theory wrote:

Zeed wrote:

Chaos Theory wrote: Nonsensical?

Like what?

Things like 'Digimon can emerge into the real world, so the physics in that world is completely different from ours' or something like that.

I remember Gay Lord trying to downplay Digimon with it. I can see if I still have PMs regarding it somewhere.

Things that, while they can be supported, cannot exactly be refuted.



With Equalization, that wouldn’t matter anyway.

In a Vs Setting all characters are considered to be able to interact with and fight one another or there’d be no debate

Yeah, for that particular one.

It’s just the general point though. Things that are just so utterly ridiculous you can’t refute them.



There would be no point to refute them under the guidelines on MvC.

As Cid stated, he was probably trying to troll you.

Alrighty.

But, hey, I’ll give him credit for one thing. It was something new.


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Gnomishness wrote:

Cid wrote:
Can we use calcs in our debates? Generally, the answer is no to all but simple calcs where all information is provided by the creator. (e.g. the author gives you a distance traveled and a time frame for it to occur in, you can definitely use them to obtain a speed) However, if you wish to make your own thread and allow all forms of calcs, you may. But it must be stated in the opening post. But be aware that the majority of The Lounge do not use or like calculations for fiction.



This one rule will cause plenty of problems. I do not accept it. Also, your one exemption to this rule is suspiciously specific and can only be applied in a few select Bleach-supporting cases.

Multilayered calcs shouldn’t be used as the foundation of your argument but if something clearly covers a good portion of the world, finding out how big that portion is should be a priority. This can only really be achieved through calcs or ballpark guesses. Of the two, calcs are usually the more accurate so I don’t approve of your ban on them.



This has been a silent rule for years. Moviecodec has never and will never be calc friendly like the OBD. It just isn’t our style.

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07-05-2014 12:59 AM
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Cid wrote:

Gnomishness wrote:

Cid wrote:
Can we use calcs in our debates? Generally, the answer is no to all but simple calcs where all information is provided by the creator. (e.g. the author gives you a distance traveled and a time frame for it to occur in, you can definitely use them to obtain a speed) However, if you wish to make your own thread and allow all forms of calcs, you may. But it must be stated in the opening post. But be aware that the majority of The Lounge do not use or like calculations for fiction.



This one rule will cause plenty of problems. I do not accept it. Also, your one exemption to this rule is suspiciously specific and can only be applied in a few select Bleach-supporting cases.

Multilayered calcs shouldn’t be used as the foundation of your argument but if something clearly covers a good portion of the world, finding out how big that portion is should be a priority. This can only really be achieved through calcs or ballpark guesses. Of the two, calcs are usually the more accurate so I don’t approve of your ban on them.



This has been a silent rule for years. Moviecodec has never and will never be calc friendly like the OBD. It just isn’t our style.

I believe if it uses real-world locations (like crossing Japan in seconds), it’s okay to use calcs, right?


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#1 -Spam: Keep off-topic conversations to a minimum. Some general discussion is fine but try not to let irrelevant conversations go for more than a page or so at max. Discussions spanning more than that, should be taken to the appropriate discussion threads or PMs. Long conversations that disrupt the topic, especially after being asked to move the conversation can result in a ban from the thread. Posts such as “Goku Solos” or any variation thereof will be deleted and numerous posts like these will require further moderator action such as bans.

so I cant say “Hercule” solos anymore ;(


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07-05-2014 01:01 AM
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Just as planned

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Light Yagami the God wrote: Just as planned

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Zeed wrote:

Cid wrote:

Gnomishness wrote:

Cid wrote:
Can we use calcs in our debates? Generally, the answer is no to all but simple calcs where all information is provided by the creator. (e.g. the author gives you a distance traveled and a time frame for it to occur in, you can definitely use them to obtain a speed) However, if you wish to make your own thread and allow all forms of calcs, you may. But it must be stated in the opening post. But be aware that the majority of The Lounge do not use or like calculations for fiction.



This one rule will cause plenty of problems. I do not accept it. Also, your one exemption to this rule is suspiciously specific and can only be applied in a few select Bleach-supporting cases.

Multilayered calcs shouldn’t be used as the foundation of your argument but if something clearly covers a good portion of the world, finding out how big that portion is should be a priority. This can only really be achieved through calcs or ballpark guesses. Of the two, calcs are usually the more accurate so I don’t approve of your ban on them.



This has been a silent rule for years. Moviecodec has never and will never be calc friendly like the OBD. It just isn’t our style.

I believe if it uses real-world locations (like crossing Japan in seconds), it’s okay to use calcs, right?



Yes, but you’re given the numbers there. Otherwise you can use simple calcs for a general idea, but they’re just not solid proof.

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It all looks good to me.

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Cid wrote:

Zeed wrote:

Cid wrote:

Gnomishness wrote:

Cid wrote:
Can we use calcs in our debates? Generally, the answer is no to all but simple calcs where all information is provided by the creator. (e.g. the author gives you a distance traveled and a time frame for it to occur in, you can definitely use them to obtain a speed) However, if you wish to make your own thread and allow all forms of calcs, you may. But it must be stated in the opening post. But be aware that the majority of The Lounge do not use or like calculations for fiction.



This one rule will cause plenty of problems. I do not accept it. Also, your one exemption to this rule is suspiciously specific and can only be applied in a few select Bleach-supporting cases.

Multilayered calcs shouldn’t be used as the foundation of your argument but if something clearly covers a good portion of the world, finding out how big that portion is should be a priority. This can only really be achieved through calcs or ballpark guesses. Of the two, calcs are usually the more accurate so I don’t approve of your ban on them.



This has been a silent rule for years. Moviecodec has never and will never be calc friendly like the OBD. It just isn’t our style.

I believe if it uses real-world locations (like crossing Japan in seconds), it’s okay to use calcs, right?



Yes, but you’re given the numbers there. Otherwise you can use simple calcs for a general idea, but they’re just not solid proof.

Aye, alright.


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Cid wrote:

Gnomishness wrote:

Cid wrote:
Can we use calcs in our debates? Generally, the answer is no to all but simple calcs where all information is provided by the creator. (e.g. the author gives you a distance traveled and a time frame for it to occur in, you can definitely use them to obtain a speed) However, if you wish to make your own thread and allow all forms of calcs, you may. But it must be stated in the opening post. But be aware that the majority of The Lounge do not use or like calculations for fiction.



This one rule will cause plenty of problems. I do not accept it. Also, your one exemption to this rule is suspiciously specific and can only be applied in a few select Bleach-supporting cases.

Multilayered calcs shouldn’t be used as the foundation of your argument but if something clearly covers a good portion of the world, finding out how big that portion is should be a priority. This can only really be achieved through calcs or ballpark guesses. Of the two, calcs are usually the more accurate so I don’t approve of your ban on them.



This has been a silent rule for years. Moviecodec has never and will never be calc friendly like the OBD. It just isn’t our style.



What I’m really troubled by is your suspiciously specific exemption from this rule. Only Kubo ever states travel time and only Kubo ever makes it really significant. Making Travel time an acceptable thing to calc off of while limiting illustration based calc would be a bit unfair to non-bleach series.

Those are my two cents.


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Gnomishness wrote:

Cid wrote:

Gnomishness wrote:

Cid wrote:
Can we use calcs in our debates? Generally, the answer is no to all but simple calcs where all information is provided by the creator. (e.g. the author gives you a distance traveled and a time frame for it to occur in, you can definitely use them to obtain a speed) However, if you wish to make your own thread and allow all forms of calcs, you may. But it must be stated in the opening post. But be aware that the majority of The Lounge do not use or like calculations for fiction.



This one rule will cause plenty of problems. I do not accept it. Also, your one exemption to this rule is suspiciously specific and can only be applied in a few select Bleach-supporting cases.

Multilayered calcs shouldn’t be used as the foundation of your argument but if something clearly covers a good portion of the world, finding out how big that portion is should be a priority. This can only really be achieved through calcs or ballpark guesses. Of the two, calcs are usually the more accurate so I don’t approve of your ban on them.



This has been a silent rule for years. Moviecodec has never and will never be calc friendly like the OBD. It just isn’t our style.



What I’m really troubled by is your suspiciously specific exemption from this rule. Only Kubo ever states travel time and only Kubo ever makes it really significant. Making Travel time an acceptable thing to calc off of while limiting illustration based calc would be a bit unfair to non-bleach series.

Those are my two cents.

Not at all.

Basic math class would teach you that you need time and distance in order to get speed.


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