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Nnoitra takes this, now shall we move on to the next match up?


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Possible Matches to discuss Next:

Shikamaru vs Ussop (lol)

Byakuya vs Lucci

Stark vs Ulquiorra

Magellan vs Ace


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DeeWhyy wrote: Possible Matches to discuss Next:

Shikamaru vs Ussop (lol)

Byakuya vs Lucci

Stark vs Ulquiorra

Magellan vs Ace


Okay so we can do all 4 matches but we have to vote for the current match up. I vote for shikamaru vs ussop


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Roronoa GoGon wrote:

DeeWhyy wrote: Possible Matches to discuss Next:

Shikamaru vs Ussop (lol)

Byakuya vs Lucci

Stark vs Ulquiorra

Magellan vs Ace


Okay so we can do all 4 matches but we have to vote for the current match up. I vote for shikamaru vs ussop



we can go with that order listed if you want.

Shikamaru wins.


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DeeWhyy wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

DeeWhyy wrote: Possible Matches to discuss Next:

Shikamaru vs Ussop (lol)

Byakuya vs Lucci

Stark vs Ulquiorra

Magellan vs Ace


Okay so we can do all 4 matches but we have to vote for the current match up. I vote for shikamaru vs ussop



we can go with that order listed if you want.

Shikamaru wins.


I think it could go either way. I doubt shikamaru is able to react to usopps projectiles. They are way faster than the Speed of a bullet. If there is a huge distance Usopp can easily snipe him. He managed to snipe guys easily several Kilometers away.


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Roronoa GoGon wrote:

DeeWhyy wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

DeeWhyy wrote: Possible Matches to discuss Next:

Shikamaru vs Ussop (lol)

Byakuya vs Lucci

Stark vs Ulquiorra

Magellan vs Ace


Okay so we can do all 4 matches but we have to vote for the current match up. I vote for shikamaru vs ussop



we can go with that order listed if you want.

Shikamaru wins.


I think it could go either way. I doubt shikamaru is able to react to usopps projectiles. They are way faster than the Speed of a bullet. If there is a huge distance Usopp can easily snipe him. He managed to snipe guys easily several Kilometers away.



True, im not very familiar with Shikamarus Reaction speed.

I would put it like this

With Prep:Probably Shikamaru

Without: can go either way, if ussop isn’t careful, he can get caught by Shikamaru very fast, same thing for Shikamaru.


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DeeWhyy wrote: Grimmjow Was Hypersonic+, powerscaling implys that Nnoitra is around that level.

Grimmjow wasnt hypersonic+, no feats imply that. And powerscaling shouldn’t really be used in this argument. Espada numbers dont always judge the espada’s skill and strength, just look at Ulquiorra. He is cuatro espada but he is the only espada who can city bust and has shown the best speed feats. And don’t get me started on Yammy. He is suppose the to be strongest espada in release but he was casually beaten by Kenpachi and Byakuya who were both below Ichigo at that point.


7 Gates guy is Hypersonic IIRC.

Pre Time Skip gates Lee was supersonic+-hypersonic at only 5 gates and plus, Guy in 6 gate I believe, was able to hit so fast that his fist caught on fire. Well I’m not sure how fast Guy is but he’s definitely above the hypersonic range.


Plus, if were equalizing Reaitsu and Chakra, we might as well equalize speed.

We equalize speed so Kisame has a chance to cut or whatever applies to only spiritual beings in Bleach. I don’t think speed should be equalized.


pretty sure Nnoitra has some sort of flight, he can escape from the water.

He won’t have enough time to escape Kisame let alone the range of water dome. Regardless of flight or not.


Kisame has no attacks that can put down Nnoitra in released form

Kisame can use the water dome to drown Nnoitra. There’s other techniques I can list but that one would be most effective.


Kisame has shown no good durability feats to imply that he can take several hits from a Released Nnoitra.

Kisame took a city+ level attack that devasted an entire island and was still able to remain conscious and fight afterward. Nnotria hasnt shown any remotely impressive striking feats.


Hirudora is probably Multi Block-Multi Block+, which is where Nnoitra sits around in terms of DC potency.

Can you post a scan of Nnoitra having that kind of DC?


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It Looks like the first match isnt finished yet. So lets continue ussop vs shika after someone Counters or agrees to stardusts Argument.


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shika vs uso really depends on WHERE they are fighting if you ask me


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Stardust wrote:

DeeWhyy wrote: Grimmjow Was Hypersonic+, powerscaling implys that Nnoitra is around that level.

Grimmjow wasnt hypersonic+, no feats imply that. And powerscaling shouldn’t really be used in this argument. Espada numbers dont always judge the espada’s skill and strength, just look at Ulquiorra. He is cuatro espada but he is the only espada who can city bust and has shown the best speed feats. And don’t get me started on Yammy. He is suppose the to be strongest espada in release but he was casually beaten by Kenpachi and Byakuya who were both below Ichigo at that point.


7 Gates guy is Hypersonic IIRC.

Pre Time Skip gates Lee was supersonic+-hypersonic at only 5 gates and plus, Guy in 6 gate I believe, was able to hit so fast that his fist caught on fire. Well I’m not sure how fast Guy is but he’s definitely above the hypersonic range.


Plus, if were equalizing Reaitsu and Chakra, we might as well equalize speed.

We equalize speed so Kisame has a chance to cut or whatever applies to only spiritual beings in Bleach. I don’t think speed should be equalized.


pretty sure Nnoitra has some sort of flight, he can escape from the water.

He won’t have enough time to escape Kisame let alone the range of water dome. Regardless of flight or not.


Kisame has no attacks that can put down Nnoitra in released form

Kisame can use the water dome to drown Nnoitra. There’s other techniques I can list but that one would be most effective.


Kisame has shown no good durability feats to imply that he can take several hits from a Released Nnoitra.

Kisame took a city+ level attack that devasted an entire island and was still able to remain conscious and fight afterward. Nnotria hasnt shown any remotely impressive striking feats.


Hirudora is probably Multi Block-Multi Block+, which is where Nnoitra sits around in terms of DC potency.

Can you post a scan of Nnoitra having that kind of DC?



Morning Peacock is a technique, its not a sign of Speed. Bankai SS Arc ichigo was calced to be Mach 13 IIRC. Powerscaling Implys that Grimmjow is obviously Hypersonic+, even without the calcs, and even then, he was keeping up with Bankai Hollow ichigo.

Hirudora is not City level, AoE=DC, It didn’t devastate the entire Island dude, not one bit.

Powerscaling puts him there, and the fact that he was able to tango with Kenpachi for a good bit, and was not even fazed in resurrection form against Kenpachis regular attacks, and Kenpachi had to resort to Kendo, which even then, Nnoitra still got back up. Plus he was hurting Kenpachi to the point where he thought he was going to die.

Also, If Grimmjow was able to tank Multiple GTs from a released Bankai Hollow ichigo, im pretty sure Nnoitra could do, since his hierro>Grimmjows.


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shikamarus chakra is far too low for a drawn out battle against ussop, unless we count the kyuubi cloak which we shouldnt.

as just as ussop draws out the fight long enough than shikamaru will lose, but if shikamaru does manage to catch ussop with his shadow jutsu then ussop loses.

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azure223 wrote: shikamarus chakra is far too low for a drawn out battle against ussop, unless we count the kyuubi cloak which we shouldnt.

as just as ussop draws out the fight long enough than shikamaru will lose, but if shikamaru does manage to catch ussop with his shadow jutsu then ussop loses.


I even think that Usopp would be able to escape his shadow tech. Physical strength makes it possible to escape from him and believe it or not but ussop is physically strong atm.


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Post skip strawhats are all at least twice as strong as pre skip ones. The M3 are probably 10 times stronger now or even more than that.


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Ussop is superior to shikamaru in endurance, durability,strength, Speed and he is a combat Genius. If they start 1km away from each other usopp snipes him no debate but a Close range combat I dont know. Physically ussop crushes shikamaru.


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its true that it doesnt take alot of strength to break out of that shadow jutsu but ussop really hasnt shown any good strength feats yet.

i think post skip ussop is still not as physcailly strong as pre skip monster trio.
if ussop is caught he may be able to move but not much.

shikamaru is definitely the smarter of the 2 tho, having a IQ of 200 back in the chunnin exams kinda proofed that.

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Roronoa GoGon wrote: Ussop is superior to shikamaru in endurance, durability,strength, Speed and he is a combat Genius. If they start 1km away from each other usopp snipes him no debate but a Close range combat I dont know. Physically ussop crushes shikamaru.



Hm, isn’t Shiki faster than Usopp speed wise?. Unless you mean Usopp’s projectile speed.

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azure223 wrote: its true that it doesnt take alot of strength to break out of that shadow jutsu but ussop really hasnt shown any good strength feats yet.

i think post skip ussop is still not as physcailly strong as pre skip monster trio.
if ussop is caught he may be able to move but not much.

shikamaru is definitely the smarter of the 2 tho, having a IQ of 200 back in the chunnin exams kinda proofed that.


Post skip ussop was able to carry a huge chunk of meat easily a few tons feat. Peak human strength to low superhuman strength is enough to break out of his shadow jutsu . That means every feat which is above 1 ton is enough to break out. Yes shikamaru is smarter but thats not enough if your Opponent is superior in nearly every aspect.


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PeacefulChaos wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote: Ussop is superior to shikamaru in endurance, durability,strength, Speed and he is a combat Genius. If they start 1km away from each other usopp snipes him no debate but a Close range combat I dont know. Physically ussop crushes shikamaru.



Hm, isn’t Shiki faster than Usopp speed wise?. Unless you mean Usopp’s projectile speed.


Speed wise both should be faster than the eye or supersonic around that Level.


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Roronoa GoGon wrote:

PeacefulChaos wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote: Ussop is superior to shikamaru in endurance, durability,strength, Speed and he is a combat Genius. If they start 1km away from each other usopp snipes him no debate but a Close range combat I dont know. Physically ussop crushes shikamaru.



Hm, isn’t Shiki faster than Usopp speed wise?. Unless you mean Usopp’s projectile speed.


Speed wise both should be faster than the eye or supersonic around that Level.



Okay, but Usopp has never really shown anything special concerning speed (like moving speed, not reaction wise or projectile wise).

Also, can Shikimaru control pop-greens using their shadows?

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PeacefulChaos wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote:

PeacefulChaos wrote:

Roronoa GoGon wrote: Ussop is superior to shikamaru in endurance, durability,strength, Speed and he is a combat Genius. If they start 1km away from each other usopp snipes him no debate but a Close range combat I dont know. Physically ussop crushes shikamaru.



Hm, isn’t Shiki faster than Usopp speed wise?. Unless you mean Usopp’s projectile speed.


Speed wise both should be faster than the eye or supersonic around that Level.



Okay, but Usopp has never really shown anything special concerning speed (like moving speed, not reaction wise or projectile wise).

Also, can Shikimaru control pop-greens using their shadows?


Phew hard to tell but yea it could be possible. The Problem is usopps sleeping gas and the huge Explosion paired with his reactions. He wouldnt miss shikamaru and shikamaru wont tank more than 2 or 3 shots from Usopp. His Pop Greens arent necessary.


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