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All media sources allowed.
Round 1: Unicron and Primus and The One are banned.
Round 2: Everything Goes.
The strongest characters to my knowledge from Xenogears are The Wave Existence and Fei, with The Wave Existence being a Multiversal+ Nigh Omnipotent that created the Xenogear Multiverse and whose mere spilling of energy from the 5th Dimension are capable of creating Universes and Fei being a Multiversal being possibly higher who collapsed The Path Of Sephirot(realm between the higher dimension(Wave Dimension/where The Wave Existence exists) and the 3rd Dimension) where its filled with wave energy(basically the same energy spills The Wave Existence does that creates Universes) as a side effect with his fight against Urboros.
I might be incorrect thus correct me if needed. :3
As for the Transformers

The Alternity are basically Multiversal beings who are a collective of hyper dimensional cosmics, for a better description I’ll simply post the link for the respect thread for The Alternity: narutoforums.com
Unicron and Primus were originally one entity that were split by The One with Unicron being The Abstract Form of Chaos and Primus being The Abstract Form of Order. Unicron slept through the second big bang that created the Multiverse and devoured such Multiverse(Bug Bite reveals that The Transformers Multiverse consists with 15 Quadrillion Universes possibly infinite in scope) with Primus being his equal.
Megatherion is the one responsible for the death of The Alternity placing him higher than them in the scale.
Nexus Prime and Vector Prime as The Thirteen basically govern the laws of the Multiverse and helped Primus create them.
As for The One seeing as it created the original big bang and was the one who split the combined combined essence of both Unicron and Primus both Multiversal+ in scope, The One should be possibly Low Metaversal or Metaversal perhaps I’m not certain.


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Your Facebook newsfeed tells a tale of how a newly enlightened 15-year-old Atheist put that stupid fundie in their place? My girlfriend who you haven’t met because she goes to a different school totally saw it happen and verified it for me.

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OP didn’t leave out Optimus Motherfucking Prime.

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Rin wrote: Goku solos.


Goku isn’t even in the debate. :3


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Ziku wrote: OP didn’t leave out Optimus Motherfucking Prime.

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Can you explain why Optimus Prime even matters?
Just wondering. :3


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Mana-Yood-Sushai wrote:

Ziku wrote: OP didn’t leave out Optimus Motherfucking Prime.

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Can you explain why Optimus Prime even matters?
Just wondering. :3

Did you seriously just ask that?

SMH

Xenogears can never even HOPE to be this manly.


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Ziku wrote:

Mana-Yood-Sushai wrote:

Ziku wrote: OP didn’t leave out Optimus Motherfucking Prime.

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Can you explain why Optimus Prime even matters?
Just wondering. :3

Did you seriously just ask that?

SMH

Xenogears can never even HOPE to be this manly.


Yes, I seriously did ask you that.
What can Optimus Prime do?
I have some knowledge on the Transformers verse, but some parts are empty on the Transformers verse.
Can you tell me more about the Transformers verse, Ziku? :3


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Mana-Yood-Sushai wrote:

Ziku wrote:

Mana-Yood-Sushai wrote:

Ziku wrote: OP didn’t leave out Optimus Motherfucking Prime.

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Can you explain why Optimus Prime even matters?
Just wondering. :3

Did you seriously just ask that?

SMH

Xenogears can never even HOPE to be this manly.


Yes, I seriously did ask you that.
What can Optimus Prime do?
I have some knowledge on the Transformers verse, but some parts are empty on the Transformers verse.
Can you tell me more about the Transformers verse, Ziku? :3

Couldn’t tell you much about Optimus from the comics since I didn’t really read many with him in it.

Anyways, Prime from Cybertron/Galaxy Force should be stronger than Vector. At least, when he has the sword given to him by Vector.


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Rayddit wrote: You found a Tumblr post about how a brave transgender feminist WoC made a white male cishet check his privilege? I still get aroused every time I think about how that happened in real life.

Your Facebook newsfeed tells a tale of how a newly enlightened 15-year-old Atheist put that stupid fundie in their place? My girlfriend who you haven’t met because she goes to a different school totally saw it happen and verified it for me.

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@Ziku: The wekest version of Unicron in marvel can tank multiversal attacks.

If all media then Starscream could probably solo.


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GohanAf24 wrote: @Ziku: The wekest version of Unicron in marvel can tank multiversal attacks.

If all media then Starscream could probably solo.

I know of Unicron from the comics, but I don’t know much concerning Optimus.

But yeah, Galaxy Force Starscream alone would cause a massive shitstorm.


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Ziku wrote:

Mana-Yood-Sushai wrote:

Ziku wrote:

Mana-Yood-Sushai wrote:

Ziku wrote: OP didn’t leave out Optimus Motherfucking Prime.

/Thread


Can you explain why Optimus Prime even matters?
Just wondering. :3

Did you seriously just ask that?

SMH

Xenogears can never even HOPE to be this manly.


Yes, I seriously did ask you that.
What can Optimus Prime do?
I have some knowledge on the Transformers verse, but some parts are empty on the Transformers verse.
Can you tell me more about the Transformers verse, Ziku? :3

Couldn’t tell you much about Optimus from the comics since I didn’t really read many with him in it.

Anyways, Prime from Cybertron/Galaxy Force should be stronger than Vector. At least, when he has the sword given to him by Vector.


Alright.
Thanks, Ziku. :3


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Rayddit wrote: You found a Tumblr post about how a brave transgender feminist WoC made a white male cishet check his privilege? I still get aroused every time I think about how that happened in real life.

Your Facebook newsfeed tells a tale of how a newly enlightened 15-year-old Atheist put that stupid fundie in their place? My girlfriend who you haven’t met because she goes to a different school totally saw it happen and verified it for me.

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Rin wrote: Eh bby Mana yu want som chiken wings gurl, I love u


Not that much into chicken wings, but thanks for offering. :3
Don’t worry I love all of you guys. :3
*Back on topic* Who do you think wins? Xenogears or Transformers?


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It’s basically the Wave Existence / Xenogears / post zohar fusion Deus vs Prime Unicron or THE ONE

THE ONE indeed did split him going by my memory

Xenogears/Fei vs Prime Unicron might be a decent match, slightly leaning on Fei


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Ziku wrote:

Mana-Yood-Sushai wrote:

Ziku wrote: OP didn’t leave out Optimus Motherfucking Prime.

/Thread


Can you explain why Optimus Prime even matters?
Just wondering. :3

Did you seriously just ask that?

SMH

Xenogears can never even HOPE to be this manly.



Oh my god. The sheer manliness! The only thing more manly is Chuck Norris' pubes!

Not even Kanima is this manly!

I wish I could rep yea a third time but I’m all out of reps.

Ziku wrote:

GohanAf24 wrote: @Ziku: The wekest version of Unicron in marvel can tank multiversal attacks.

If all media then Starscream could probably solo.

I know of Unicron from the comics, but I don’t know much concerning Optimus.

But yeah, Galaxy Force Starscream alone would cause a massive shitstorm.



Optimus Prime is the 15th Prime for the auto bots. In the eternal fight against Unicron Primus created the first 13 primes and using the matrix to seal Uncron away. Vector Prime was the 14th prime.

Although Optimus Prime is literally the Goku of transformers while Megatron Ss Vegeta.

Also I forget which version of anime/cartoon it was but Megatron merged with Unicron and the decepticons and Optimus prime with the autobots, other primes, Primus, and the matrix to bring the decepticons down.

Also SuperStarscream fought with Primus toe to toe in the astral dimmension.

So composite transformers rape pretty hard.

Seiryu wrote: It’s basically the Wave Existence / Xenogears / post zohar fusion Deus vs Prime Unicron or THE ONE

THE ONE indeed did split him going by my memory

Xenogears/Fei vs Prime Unicron might be a decent match, slightly leaning on Fei



Could you show me how strong Fei really is? Cause I have seen the OP claim nigh universal,universal or low multiversal beings to be nigh-omni or omnis. SOo I am highly suspect.

Since this seems like a very one sided match.


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GohanAf24 wrote: Optimus Prime is the 15th Prime for the auto bots. In the eternal fight against Unicron Primus created the first 13 primes and using the matrix to seal Uncron away. Vector Prime was the 14th prime.

Although Optimus Prime is literally the Goku of transformers while Megatron Ss Vegeta.

Also I forget which version of anime/cartoon it was but Megatron merged with Unicron and the decepticons and Optimus prime with the autobots, other primes, Primus, and the matrix to bring the decepticons down.

Also SuperStarscream fought with Primus toe to toe in the astral dimmension.

So composite transformers rape pretty hard.



I believe Megatron merged with Unicron in Energon/Superlink. Don’t recall what you’re saying though. I don’t even think we’ve seen all of the Original Primes in any TV series, well, except for Prime I think.


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Ziku wrote:

GohanAf24 wrote: Optimus Prime is the 15th Prime for the auto bots. In the eternal fight against Unicron Primus created the first 13 primes and using the matrix to seal Uncron away. Vector Prime was the 14th prime.

Although Optimus Prime is literally the Goku of transformers while Megatron Ss Vegeta.

Also I forget which version of anime/cartoon it was but Megatron merged with Unicron and the decepticons and Optimus prime with the autobots, other primes, Primus, and the matrix to bring the decepticons down.

Also SuperStarscream fought with Primus toe to toe in the astral dimmension.

So composite transformers rape pretty hard.



I believe Megatron merged with Unicron in Energon/Superlink. Don’t recall what you’re saying though. I don’t even think we’ve seen all of the Original Primes in any TV series, well, except for Prime I think.

The primes have been mentioned but I think it is implied they all died against the fight with Unicron. Only leaving a fraction of Unicorn to roam the multiverses deveouring form time to time while Primus and most of Unicron remain sealed away.

Well as far as my friend Mike has told me I believe Megatron merged with Unicron in total of 3 times in all series released in total.

And yea all of the original primes have never been brought up to my attention canonically speaking their design and names were never given, So any studio/company with a transformers licences could make a series with 13 primes with different designs and names every time.

Composite (complete) transformers is megaversal+ at the least.

Xenogears to my information is universal. So massive spite thread Unless Seiryu can show me otherwise.

Since I only played Xenogears 1 and 2 (on ps2) long ago.


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GohanAf24 wrote:

Ziku wrote:

GohanAf24 wrote: Optimus Prime is the 15th Prime for the auto bots. In the eternal fight against Unicron Primus created the first 13 primes and using the matrix to seal Uncron away. Vector Prime was the 14th prime.

Although Optimus Prime is literally the Goku of transformers while Megatron Ss Vegeta.

Also I forget which version of anime/cartoon it was but Megatron merged with Unicron and the decepticons and Optimus prime with the autobots, other primes, Primus, and the matrix to bring the decepticons down.

Also SuperStarscream fought with Primus toe to toe in the astral dimmension.

So composite transformers rape pretty hard.



I believe Megatron merged with Unicron in Energon/Superlink. Don’t recall what you’re saying though. I don’t even think we’ve seen all of the Original Primes in any TV series, well, except for Prime I think.

The primes have been mentioned but I think it is implied they all died against the fight with Unicron. Only leaving a fraction of Unicorn to roam the multiverses deveouring form time to time while Primus and most of Unicron remain sealed away.

Well as far as my friend Mike has told me I believe Megatron merged with Unicron in total of 3 times in all series released in total.

And yea all of the original primes have never been brought up to my attention canonically speaking their design and names were never given, So any studio/company with a transformers licences could make a series with 13 primes with different designs and names every time.

Composite (complete) transformers is megaversal+ at the least.

Xenogears to my information is universal. So massive spite thread Unless Seiryu can show me otherwise.

Since I only played Xenogears 1 and 2 (on ps2) long ago.



I actually do have some questions concerning the Primes.

1. As we know, the Original 13, Primus, and Unicron don’t have counterparts in the multiverse(s). There exists only one of each, much like the Living Tribunal. But do the Bay films follow that rule? I ask because The Fallen appeared in the second.

2. Where does Primon come into play? As far as I know, he predated even Prima and was the first bearer of the Matrix.


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GohanAf24 wrote:

Ziku wrote:

Mana-Yood-Sushai wrote:

Ziku wrote: OP didn’t leave out Optimus Motherfucking Prime.

/Thread


Can you explain why Optimus Prime even matters?
Just wondering. :3

Did you seriously just ask that?

SMH

Xenogears can never even HOPE to be this manly.



Oh my god. The sheer manliness! The only thing more manly is Chuck Norris' pubes!

Not even Kanima is this manly!

I wish I could rep yea a third time but I’m all out of reps.

Ziku wrote:

GohanAf24 wrote: @Ziku: The wekest version of Unicron in marvel can tank multiversal attacks.

If all media then Starscream could probably solo.

I know of Unicron from the comics, but I don’t know much concerning Optimus.

But yeah, Galaxy Force Starscream alone would cause a massive shitstorm.



Optimus Prime is the 15th Prime for the auto bots. In the eternal fight against Unicron Primus created the first 13 primes and using the matrix to seal Uncron away. Vector Prime was the 14th prime.

Although Optimus Prime is literally the Goku of transformers while Megatron Ss Vegeta.

Also I forget which version of anime/cartoon it was but Megatron merged with Unicron and the decepticons and Optimus prime with the autobots, other primes, Primus, and the matrix to bring the decepticons down.

Also SuperStarscream fought with Primus toe to toe in the astral dimmension.

So composite transformers rape pretty hard.

Seiryu wrote: It’s basically the Wave Existence / Xenogears / post zohar fusion Deus vs Prime Unicron or THE ONE

THE ONE indeed did split him going by my memory

Xenogears/Fei vs Prime Unicron might be a decent match, slightly leaning on Fei



Could you show me how strong Fei really is? Cause I have seen the OP claim nigh universal,universal or low multiversal beings to be nigh-omni or omnis. SOo I am highly suspect.

Since this seems like a very one sided match.


When have I ever claimed that universals/low multiversals were Nigh Omnipotent? Are you referring to Tori-Bot who is stated to be the author self included in his franchise?
As for the Dark Tower Series discussion Gan is Omnipotent unless you disprove it, something I asked you pages ago to disprove but you never did, so please shut it already.
*Back on Topic* Like I said to Ziku my knowledge about Transformers is limited and I made this thread to see Xenogears and Transformers upper limits.
Basically testing the two verses out.


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