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GohanAf24 wrote:

Ricdog wrote: And there really is only 3 different types of Pre Crisis Superman. Golden Age, Silver Age, Bronze Age.

The one in year 85 would be bronze age, which indeed made Superman return back to more city type threats. Although he still occasionally went into space, like when he took quasar attacks and such. So no, eitehr way Cell still loses.

And might still lose to Golden Age as well. Golden Age was typically portrayed as less powerful than Silver Age, but he did occasionally have very high feats as well...especially going into the late 40’s.



That 1985 feat would be classified as an outlier unless if you are willing to make Cell multi-galactic which is absurd imo. That’s the thing with Supes either really strong or really weak.

Now if the OP was referring to 1985 he would get destroyed. IF 1960 then Supes shits on Cell.



Why are specifying by year or decade, if so whats stops us from going further and specifying by month????

The Superman of 1985 is considered the Bronze Age version, which spans more than a decade. That Superman fought both at the Earth threat level and cosmic level. Some of the regular high feats given to PC Superman, and Supergirl, actually happened on this era. Yea it is inconsistant but fuck it thats just the way it was. So if by “85 Superman” you mean the Bronze Age Superman...Cell still loses (if you include his high end feats).

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GohanAf24 wrote:

Ricdog wrote:

GohanAf24 wrote:

Ricdog wrote:

GohanAf24 wrote: Basically if this is 1985 pre-crisis Supes he gets stomped. If this is 1960’s pre-crisis Supes then Cell gets stomped.


Pretty simple. Can be locked.



How does 85 Superman get stomped? He owns Cell regardless!!!



85 Superman gets regularly bodied by characters who would get beaten by current SH from OP. And it took the whole league to equate to one solar system.

You sound like a comicstan no offence. There are version of Supes which are below hst and version(s) of Supes which would beat SSJ3 Goku (pre bog, can’t say since I haven’t seen the movie yet).

1985 gets beaten regularly by city level threats or lower. HE stands no chance against Cell.

On the other hand 1960 Supes survived black hole level things so he would stomp Cell.

Like I said either way its a stomp thread depending on which era of pre-crisis is being used. Since the OP never specified.

edit: can be locked.



That Superman was the one who basically was equal to Superboy Prime, and Prime easily man handled the rest of the modern DC universe in Infinite Crisis.

Are you referring to the events of COIE or before?



If I remember by Comic history correctly it should be after the events of COIE. Since COIE did bring together like more than 40 years of comic continuity.



Wait a minute!!!! If your referring to AFTER the events of COIE, then this can’t be Pre-Crisis Superman. The term “pre-crisis” specifically refers to the events before the COIE.

I think your referring post-crisis Superman, but in his very early days. When he did indeed only fight city battles. If so of course Cell stomps, but remember thats not Pre-Crisis Superman then.

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Ricdog wrote:

GohanAf24 wrote:

Ricdog wrote: And there really is only 3 different types of Pre Crisis Superman. Golden Age, Silver Age, Bronze Age.

The one in year 85 would be bronze age, which indeed made Superman return back to more city type threats. Although he still occasionally went into space, like when he took quasar attacks and such. So no, eitehr way Cell still loses.

And might still lose to Golden Age as well. Golden Age was typically portrayed as less powerful than Silver Age, but he did occasionally have very high feats as well...especially going into the late 40’s.



That 1985 feat would be classified as an outlier unless if you are willing to make Cell multi-galactic which is absurd imo. That’s the thing with Supes either really strong or really weak.

Now if the OP was referring to 1985 he would get destroyed. IF 1960 then Supes shits on Cell.



Why are specifying by year or decade, if so whats stops us from going further and specifying by month????

The Superman of 1985 is considered the Bronze Age version, which spans more than a decade. That Superman fought both at the Earth threat level and cosmic level. Some of the regular high feats given to PC Superman, and Supergirl, actually happened on this era. Yea it is inconsistant but fuck it thats just the way it was. So if by “85 Superman” you mean the Bronze Age Superman...Cell still loses (if you include his high end feats).



Yes bronze age. Not to mention there isn’t really any “regular high end feats” per se. But depending on how you weigh high end and low end (linearly or geometrically) either you get a pretty darn powerful supes or a very weak supes.

They have far more lower end showings and bronze age superman would lose ultimately to weaker characters than Cell if going by consistency.

If only high ends then yes he will win. But we go by consistency here and 1985 is weaker than 1960 Supes sorry if I am going by years than necessarily the age but going by what I have read and remembered from the comics at my friends place. He has tons of them.

He regularly loses to peak human+ sorts of things or nigh superhuman.

And the OP never specified which pre-crisis neither high end or low end. IN that case consistency takes over. BUt like I said very early on Cell>Bronze Age Supes, and Silver age Supes ( I believe)>Cell.

That’s all there is to it now both ztards and comicstans alike would want their side to win no matter what. This thread should have been locked a long time ago imo.

Ricdog wrote:

GohanAf24 wrote:

Ricdog wrote:

GohanAf24 wrote:

Ricdog wrote:

GohanAf24 wrote: Basically if this is 1985 pre-crisis Supes he gets stomped. If this is 1960’s pre-crisis Supes then Cell gets stomped.


Pretty simple. Can be locked.



How does 85 Superman get stomped? He owns Cell regardless!!!



85 Superman gets regularly bodied by characters who would get beaten by current SH from OP. And it took the whole league to equate to one solar system.

You sound like a comicstan no offence. There are version of Supes which are below hst and version(s) of Supes which would beat SSJ3 Goku (pre bog, can’t say since I haven’t seen the movie yet).

1985 gets beaten regularly by city level threats or lower. HE stands no chance against Cell.

On the other hand 1960 Supes survived black hole level things so he would stomp Cell.

Like I said either way its a stomp thread depending on which era of pre-crisis is being used. Since the OP never specified.

edit: can be locked.



That Superman was the one who basically was equal to Superboy Prime, and Prime easily man handled the rest of the modern DC universe in Infinite Crisis.

Are you referring to the events of COIE or before?



If I remember by Comic history correctly it should be after the events of COIE. Since COIE did bring together like more than 40 years of comic continuity.



Wait a minute!!!! If your referring to AFTER the events of COIE, then this can’t be Pre-Crisis Superman. The term “pre-crisis” specifically refers to the events before the COIE.

I think your referring post-crisis Superman, but in his very early days. When he did indeed only fight city battles. If so of course Cell stomps, but remember thats not Pre-Crisis Superman then.



Thanks for the correction that was my mistake. Referring to bronze age. Consistently shown. But like you said only taking cosmic feats he would win but then that is still not an actual portrayal of him. And like I said earlier OP never specified anything neither the age of pre-crisis or the nature of how the feats will be used.


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So everyone here agrees that Post Crisis Superman solos DBZ in an instant? Cool

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Betterthanyou wrote: So everyone here agrees that Post Crisis Superman solos DBZ in an instant? Cool


wtf whis one shots his ass


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GohanAf24 wrote:

Ricdog wrote:

GohanAf24 wrote:

Ricdog wrote: And there really is only 3 different types of Pre Crisis Superman. Golden Age, Silver Age, Bronze Age.

The one in year 85 would be bronze age, which indeed made Superman return back to more city type threats. Although he still occasionally went into space, like when he took quasar attacks and such. So no, eitehr way Cell still loses.

And might still lose to Golden Age as well. Golden Age was typically portrayed as less powerful than Silver Age, but he did occasionally have very high feats as well...especially going into the late 40’s.



That 1985 feat would be classified as an outlier unless if you are willing to make Cell multi-galactic which is absurd imo. That’s the thing with Supes either really strong or really weak.

Now if the OP was referring to 1985 he would get destroyed. IF 1960 then Supes shits on Cell.



Why are specifying by year or decade, if so whats stops us from going further and specifying by month????

The Superman of 1985 is considered the Bronze Age version, which spans more than a decade. That Superman fought both at the Earth threat level and cosmic level. Some of the regular high feats given to PC Superman, and Supergirl, actually happened on this era. Yea it is inconsistant but fuck it thats just the way it was. So if by “85 Superman” you mean the Bronze Age Superman...Cell still loses (if you include his high end feats).



Yes bronze age. Not to mention there isn’t really any “regular high end feats” per se. But depending on how you weigh high end and low end (linearly or geometrically) either you get a pretty darn powerful supes or a very weak supes.

They have far more lower end showings and bronze age superman would lose ultimately to weaker characters than Cell if going by consistency.

If only high ends then yes he will win. But we go by consistency here and 1985 is weaker than 1960 Supes sorry if I am going by years than necessarily the age but going by what I have read and remembered from the comics at my friends place. He has tons of them.

He regularly loses to peak human+ sorts of things or nigh superhuman.

And the OP never specified which pre-crisis neither high end or low end. IN that case consistency takes over. BUt like I said very early on Cell>Bronze Age Supes, and Silver age Supes ( I believe)>Cell.

That’s all there is to it now both ztards and comicstans alike would want their side to win no matter what. This thread should have been locked a long time ago imo.

Ricdog wrote:

GohanAf24 wrote:

Ricdog wrote:

GohanAf24 wrote:

Ricdog wrote:

GohanAf24 wrote: Basically if this is 1985 pre-crisis Supes he gets stomped. If this is 1960’s pre-crisis Supes then Cell gets stomped.


Pretty simple. Can be locked.



How does 85 Superman get stomped? He owns Cell regardless!!!



85 Superman gets regularly bodied by characters who would get beaten by current SH from OP. And it took the whole league to equate to one solar system.

You sound like a comicstan no offence. There are version of Supes which are below hst and version(s) of Supes which would beat SSJ3 Goku (pre bog, can’t say since I haven’t seen the movie yet).

1985 gets beaten regularly by city level threats or lower. HE stands no chance against Cell.

On the other hand 1960 Supes survived black hole level things so he would stomp Cell.

Like I said either way its a stomp thread depending on which era of pre-crisis is being used. Since the OP never specified.

edit: can be locked.



That Superman was the one who basically was equal to Superboy Prime, and Prime easily man handled the rest of the modern DC universe in Infinite Crisis.

Are you referring to the events of COIE or before?



If I remember by Comic history correctly it should be after the events of COIE. Since COIE did bring together like more than 40 years of comic continuity.



Wait a minute!!!! If your referring to AFTER the events of COIE, then this can’t be Pre-Crisis Superman. The term “pre-crisis” specifically refers to the events before the COIE.

I think your referring post-crisis Superman, but in his very early days. When he did indeed only fight city battles. If so of course Cell stomps, but remember thats not Pre-Crisis Superman then.



Thanks for the correction that was my mistake. Referring to bronze age. Consistently shown. But like you said only taking cosmic feats he would win but then that is still not an actual portrayal of him. And like I said earlier OP never specified anything neither the age of pre-crisis or the nature of how the feats will be used.



Well I’m not sure exactly what exactly it takes to be consistent here, since it can be argued in multiple ways. Superman is usually as powerful as he needs to be. If going again up against fighters like Cell, he would show cosmic type power, then actually Bronze Age Supes would win.

Bronze age Superman does have high and low feats, like pretty much every other version of Superman. But going by your reasoning, Superman either wins or loses depending on whatever one chooses to believe about him in this fight.

Unfortunately this ultimately becomes a matter of personal opinion, and not anything factual.

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I think you guys should focus on relevant story arcs instead of random “filler” issues written solely for series continuation.

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Betterthanyou wrote: So everyone here agrees that Post Crisis Superman solos DBZ in an instant? Cool



no, u tard

SPC use IT at LT speed, he speedblitz super ass


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Freddie Mercury wrote: I saw this thread title and i laughed.

I saw people taking this thread seriously and i fell over laughing.

I saw this

and i nearly died.



Problem lol? Impressed that a Kryptonian can lift such heavy weights and have impressive skills due to the solar energy of one star yet you have trouble believing a being with energy sufficient to wipe out an entire solar system would have trouble replicating these feats? If so then LOL


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Full power super saiyan goku was stated to have 3000 kilos and yakon had about 300 kilos. This was in the manga clearly shown. 300 kilos could destroy a planet or so. In order to destroy the solar system our sun would need to be busted. The sun has 100 times the mass of our planet earth. Therefore since FP SS goku in buu saga > super perfect cell. Thus cell is a casual multiplanet buster, multiplanet durability and has cellular regeneration. So using logic super perfect cell loses to precrisis superman.

“Killi” in DBZ-the Daizenshuu 7 states that a “kili” of 200-300 is enough to destroy one\two planet(s);Super Saiyan Goku fighting yakon had a kili of 3,000-yakon had a kili of 800, with this in mind Goku as a SSJ1(of course by this time Goku was a MSSJ ) could destroyed 15 planets.


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Raniero wrote: It’s funny, because a few months ago I was being called a DBZ downplayer by fellow DBZ fans and a wanker by anti-DBZ debaters. lol.



Few months ago 23rd Goku is island level and 40 tons travelling at MHS speed.
So yeah you were a downplayer then.

Also what sekundes is saying is right because after Frieza saga author didn’t plan it out causing inconsistencies,. Steel door in android saga and cell running away from site, z fighters relying on flight instead of jumping they prefer walking to track cell 1st form.

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ran was a dbz downplayer wrote: Few months ago 23rd Goku is island level and 40 tons travelling at MHS speed.
So yeah you were a downplayer then.


No I didn’t.

Also what sekundes is saying is right because after Frieza saga author didn’t plan it out causing inconsistencies,. Steel door in android saga and cell running away from site, z fighters relying on flight instead of jumping they prefer walking to track cell 1st form.


Cell was running because he didn’t want to use his ki and be found by the Z Fighters. I don’t recall them actually walking while trying to find Cell either.

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Pre Crisis = Silver/Bronze Age.

Or to make it easier. Its Supes from Infinite Crisis. and most heroes on Infinite Crisis shit on DBZ Verse

Post Crisis = is after Infinite Crisis.


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Super Perfect Cell Returns wrote:

Freddie Mercury wrote: I saw this thread title and i laughed.

I saw people taking this thread seriously and i fell over laughing.

I saw this

and i nearly died.



Problem lol? Impressed that a Kryptonian can lift such heavy weights and have impressive skills due to the solar energy of one star yet you have trouble believing a being with energy sufficient to wipe out an entire solar system would have trouble replicating these feats? If so then LOL



You REALLY need to stop using that logic.

Its so fucking retarded its not even funny.

You are not even that bad of a debater which makes it all the more fucking ridiculous.


Its Supermans SPECIFIC POWER to draw energy from a Sun.

He became a nigh omnipotent by drawing energy from ONE Sun.

Does that mean Cell can become above omnipotence?


Cell arguably has the power to DESTROY a solar system.

That in NO WAY equates to drawing power from the Sun.

Jesus Christ thats one of the stupidest fucking arguments I ever heard.

I just wish that came from a troll, not someone I consider a decent debater.


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Hoggle wrote: Full power super saiyan goku was stated to have 3000 kilos and yakon had about 300 kilos. This was in the manga clearly shown. 300 kilos could destroy a planet or so. In order to destroy the solar system our sun would need to be busted. The sun has 100 times the mass of our planet earth. Therefore since FP SS goku in buu saga > super perfect cell. Thus cell is a casual multiplanet buster, multiplanet durability and has cellular regeneration. So using logic super perfect cell loses to precrisis superman.

“Killi” in DBZ-the Daizenshuu 7 states that a “kili” of 200-300 is enough to destroy one\two planet(s);Super Saiyan Goku fighting yakon had a kili of 3,000-yakon had a kili of 800, with this in mind Goku as a SSJ1(of course by this time Goku was a MSSJ ) could destroyed 15 planets.



1. When Goku’s killi was measured he was in his relaxed/suppressed MSSJ state.
2. Killi may not even scale properly/linearly.
3. Super Perfect Cell >>> FP SSJ buu saga Goku


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08-05-2013 06:10 AM
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Single Attack that Destroys the Earth
First Appearance: 508
Category: ki manipulation
People: Majin Buu (pure)
Special Characteristics: A technique where he levitates a gigantic spherical ki over the palm of his hand, then strikes the ground with it. Through the kiís power, the magma within the Earth swells and explodes. This technique wiped out the Earth without leaving a trace remaining. Freeza also uses a similar technique. (Daizenshuu 2, p. 216)



Later guidebooks contradict on panel feats because of Ssj3 Goku kid Buu super Buu mystic Gohan strength levels.

Moreover guidebooks are written by staff then approved by author and author has forgetful memory and stopped caring much after the Frieza saga.

Author also has said fans know more about dbz than him.

magma on surface of entire earth since when.

The shockwave guidebooks seem legit than the magma one.

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Hoggle wrote: The sun has 100 times the mass of our planet earth.




looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

The Sun has 330 000 times the mass of Earth.

The Sun has 99% of the mass of our Solar System.


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USS Vegeta was a Star-Buster, so that’d make MSS Goku at least a Star+ Buster.

SPC is a Solar-System-Buster, get over it.


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Expensive-Discount wrote: USS Vegeta was a Star-Buster, so that’d make MSS Goku at least a Star+ Buster.

SPC is a Solar-System-Buster, get over it.


Pre Crisis Superman still shitstomps. And so does post crisis Superman.

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Someone remind me, why’s this thread still unlocked?


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