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Kirby solos evry1 wrote: Idk about MASSIVELY, cuz they cant fly that fast, but combat speed and reaction speed would probably be anywhere from relativistic to a few times ftl



Again, without something to powerscale their speeds of off, then we have no TRUE way of knowing what their reaction speeds are.



true. I see your point. Especially since the feats are very inconsistant.

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Ssj1 gotenks is a top tier character even pre ROSAT. Vegito, buuhan, buutenks, Chou gohan, gotenks and base super buu are top tiers. Their reactions should be similar to their travel speeds. If they weren’t then for example, vegeta wouldn’t have gotten blitzed by kaioken goku’s travel speed.


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juniorsworld wrote: considering they dodge ki blasts that travel to distant planets in seconds, yeah, they are. not just goku, by the way.



When did Ki blasts travel to distant planets in seconds?

Don’t forget that DBZ is so riddeled with inconsistancies that it’s grotesque.

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Paradox wrote:

Redx wrote:

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ItsOver wrote: To everyone saying lighting isnt lightspeed dont forget that lighting can range from massively hypersonic to 1/2 the speed of light.



Actually, the average lightning bolt travels at about 3,700Mi/s compared to lights 186,000Mi/s. In other words; average lightning travels at a puny 1/48 the speed of light.

The super saiyan transformation multiplies everything by 50 so that would put him over lightspeed.



I fucked up the calc slightly. It’s actually about 1/50 the speed of light, not 1/48.

Anyway, is there a rough calculation of base Goku’s speed?

I yeah I remember reading a few threads a long time ago that had calced goku’s speed, but I wouldnt know how to find it, ask one of the hardcore DBZ debators if they know anything. I normally dont like to use calcs but thats just me. Also even if its only 1/50 goku does get massively faster throughout the entire series so he would still be over lightspeed.



No, he would not neccesarily be faster than light based on 'he gets faster throughout the series'. Without any ACTUAL evidence or something to powerscale his speed off of; then you have no way of saying that he is MFTL.

Well he made it all they around namek in an instant, thats something to go on. When their power increases everything else does, speed, durability, power, physical, strength, etc. Goku has trained so many times and gotten so many power-ups since his first super saiyan transformation.



Goku FLEW all the way around Namek in an instant? Are you sure it wasn’t through instant transmission?

lol He didnt even learn that yet. Look at the scans posted in the first couple pages.


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juniorsworld wrote: considering they dodge ki blasts that travel to distant planets in seconds, yeah, they are. not just goku, by the way.



When did Ki blasts travel to distant planets in seconds?

Don’t forget that DBZ is so riddeled with inconsistancies that it’s grotesque.

Vegeta’s final flash against cell and when piccolo blew up the moon, master roshi too.


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IT would seem that in dbz they gan go light speed in small bursts, or at least near it. Thats why radditz is said to move the speed of lighting.


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Redx wrote:

Paradox wrote:

Redx wrote:

Paradox wrote:

Redx wrote:

Paradox wrote:

Redx wrote:

Paradox wrote:

ItsOver wrote: To everyone saying lighting isnt lightspeed dont forget that lighting can range from massively hypersonic to 1/2 the speed of light.



Actually, the average lightning bolt travels at about 3,700Mi/s compared to lights 186,000Mi/s. In other words; average lightning travels at a puny 1/48 the speed of light.

The super saiyan transformation multiplies everything by 50 so that would put him over lightspeed.



I fucked up the calc slightly. It’s actually about 1/50 the speed of light, not 1/48.

Anyway, is there a rough calculation of base Goku’s speed?

I yeah I remember reading a few threads a long time ago that had calced goku’s speed, but I wouldnt know how to find it, ask one of the hardcore DBZ debators if they know anything. I normally dont like to use calcs but thats just me. Also even if its only 1/50 goku does get massively faster throughout the entire series so he would still be over lightspeed.



No, he would not neccesarily be faster than light based on 'he gets faster throughout the series'. Without any ACTUAL evidence or something to powerscale his speed off of; then you have no way of saying that he is MFTL.

Well he made it all they around namek in an instant, thats something to go on. When their power increases everything else does, speed, durability, power, physical, strength, etc. Goku has trained so many times and gotten so many power-ups since his first super saiyan transformation.



Goku FLEW all the way around Namek in an instant? Are you sure it wasn’t through instant transmission?

lol He didnt even learn that yet. Look at the scans posted in the first couple pages.



I’ve never read the manga, so I’m going by my limited knowledge of the anime. In which, I’m pretty sure that Goku had instant transmission at the time. And I looked at all of the scans in this thread; what exactly are they supposed to be showing me?

Redx wrote: Vegeta’s final flash against cell and when piccolo blew up the moon, master roshi too.



Again I don’t remember much of DBZ, so forgive my ignorance. What distant planet did Vegeta’s final flash hit, and where was he firing it from? As for Roshi and Piccollo destroying the moon; I MIGHT be able to calculate the speed of those ki blasts.

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Nothing suggests FF was FTL. Being able to leave earth’s atmosphere in a few seconds is definitely not FTL. Roshi and Piccolo’s blasts could have just accelerated in space. No planet-launched ki blasts have been proven FTL. Normal humans were able to react to super Buu’s ki blasts. If they were lightspeed they’d be dead before even being able to think. The moon busts are inconsistent anyway. I’ve proven this. Stronger people like zarbon, who have SHIT ki control, were releasing blasts that weren’t moon level. Do you think a casual blast from an under 500 piccolo> one from an over 20,000 zarbon?


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Joshstarwind wrote: IT would seem that in dbz they gan go light speed in small bursts, or at least near it. Thats why radditz is said to move the speed of lighting.



Instant transmission is not quantifiable in terms of speed.

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Paradox wrote:

juniorsworld wrote: considering they dodge ki blasts that travel to distant planets in seconds, yeah, they are. not just goku, by the way.



When did Ki blasts travel to distant planets in seconds?

Don’t forget that DBZ is so riddeled with inconsistancies that it’s grotesque.



final flash... from a low tier, even after losing so much energy impacting cell.

edit: if i hear crap about gotenks fastest speed feat or the is the planet thing... that’s a moot point considering he did that with the utmost ease.


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Paradox wrote:

Joshstarwind wrote: IT would seem that in dbz they gan go light speed in small bursts, or at least near it. Thats why radditz is said to move the speed of lighting.



Instant transmission is not quantifiable in terms of speed.



In Marvels eyes it is. Whenever they have power grids if someone can teleport they put there speed at the highest on the grid.


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Never occurred in the manga. No planet was touched by FF.


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Paradox wrote:

Redx wrote:

Paradox wrote:

Redx wrote:

Paradox wrote:

Redx wrote:

Paradox wrote:

Redx wrote:

Paradox wrote:

ItsOver wrote: To everyone saying lighting isnt lightspeed dont forget that lighting can range from massively hypersonic to 1/2 the speed of light.



Actually, the average lightning bolt travels at about 3,700Mi/s compared to lights 186,000Mi/s. In other words; average lightning travels at a puny 1/48 the speed of light.

The super saiyan transformation multiplies everything by 50 so that would put him over lightspeed.



I fucked up the calc slightly. It’s actually about 1/50 the speed of light, not 1/48.

Anyway, is there a rough calculation of base Goku’s speed?

I yeah I remember reading a few threads a long time ago that had calced goku’s speed, but I wouldnt know how to find it, ask one of the hardcore DBZ debators if they know anything. I normally dont like to use calcs but thats just me. Also even if its only 1/50 goku does get massively faster throughout the entire series so he would still be over lightspeed.



No, he would not neccesarily be faster than light based on 'he gets faster throughout the series'. Without any ACTUAL evidence or something to powerscale his speed off of; then you have no way of saying that he is MFTL.

Well he made it all they around namek in an instant, thats something to go on. When their power increases everything else does, speed, durability, power, physical, strength, etc. Goku has trained so many times and gotten so many power-ups since his first super saiyan transformation.



Goku FLEW all the way around Namek in an instant? Are you sure it wasn’t through instant transmission?

lol He didnt even learn that yet. Look at the scans posted in the first couple pages.



I’ve never read the manga, so I’m going by my limited knowledge of the anime. In which, I’m pretty sure that Goku had instant transmission at the time. And I looked at all of the scans in this thread; what exactly are they supposed to be showing me?

Redx wrote: Vegeta’s final flash against cell and when piccolo blew up the moon, master roshi too.



Again I don’t remember much of DBZ, so forgive my ignorance. What distant planet did Vegeta’s final flash hit, and where was he firing it from? As for Roshi and Piccollo destroying the moon; I MIGHT be able to calculate the speed of those ki blasts.


Goku doesn’t learn IT until after escaping Namek. Read my scan again. Goku was on the other side of a planet massively bigger than the Earth and flew to where Frieza and his friends were almost in an instant.


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Kinasin wrote:

Paradox wrote:

Joshstarwind wrote: IT would seem that in dbz they gan go light speed in small bursts, or at least near it. Thats why radditz is said to move the speed of lighting.



Instant transmission is not quantifiable in terms of speed.



In Marvels eyes it is. Whenever they have power grids if someone can teleport they put there speed at the highest on the grid.



Of course people with it would be at the top of the list. But things like: instant transmission, warping, teleporting ect. are not quantifiable in terms of speed. They are beyond speed.

Edited 07-10-2011 11:00 PM by Stygian
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Shoddragon wrote: Never occurred in the manga. No planet was touched by FF.



don’t think the OP specified... besides, i know where you’re getting at. the anime is non canon... tchyeah right, only fillers. if you use that, i guess the final flash is non canon since it happened in the anime.


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ok seriously noone in dragon ball is ftl

not even gotenks

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Paradox wrote:

Redx wrote:

Paradox wrote:

Redx wrote:

Paradox wrote:

Redx wrote:

Paradox wrote:

Redx wrote:

Paradox wrote:

ItsOver wrote: To everyone saying lighting isnt lightspeed dont forget that lighting can range from massively hypersonic to 1/2 the speed of light.



Actually, the average lightning bolt travels at about 3,700Mi/s compared to lights 186,000Mi/s. In other words; average lightning travels at a puny 1/48 the speed of light.

The super saiyan transformation multiplies everything by 50 so that would put him over lightspeed.



I fucked up the calc slightly. It’s actually about 1/50 the speed of light, not 1/48.

Anyway, is there a rough calculation of base Goku’s speed?

I yeah I remember reading a few threads a long time ago that had calced goku’s speed, but I wouldnt know how to find it, ask one of the hardcore DBZ debators if they know anything. I normally dont like to use calcs but thats just me. Also even if its only 1/50 goku does get massively faster throughout the entire series so he would still be over lightspeed.



No, he would not neccesarily be faster than light based on 'he gets faster throughout the series'. Without any ACTUAL evidence or something to powerscale his speed off of; then you have no way of saying that he is MFTL.

Well he made it all they around namek in an instant, thats something to go on. When their power increases everything else does, speed, durability, power, physical, strength, etc. Goku has trained so many times and gotten so many power-ups since his first super saiyan transformation.



Goku FLEW all the way around Namek in an instant? Are you sure it wasn’t through instant transmission?

lol He didnt even learn that yet. Look at the scans posted in the first couple pages.



I’ve never read the manga, so I’m going by my limited knowledge of the anime. In which, I’m pretty sure that Goku had instant transmission at the time. And I looked at all of the scans in this thread; what exactly are they supposed to be showing me?

Redx wrote: Vegeta&#146;s final flash against cell and when piccolo blew up the moon, master roshi too.



Again I don’t remember much of DBZ, so forgive my ignorance. What distant planet did Vegeta’s final flash hit, and where was he firing it from? As for Roshi and Piccollo destroying the moon; I MIGHT be able to calculate the speed of those ki blasts.

You didnt see goku go all around namek in an instant? maybe you saw but didnt read. He didnt have instant transmission at the time he learned it on yardrat the planet he escaped to after defeating frieza and leaving planet namek to explode.

Vegeta’s final flash didnt hit a planet it went far out into space until it wasnt seen really fast.

Piccolo hit the moon instantly with a generic ki blast, he did it faster than roshi.

Roshi blew up the moon just like piccolo did, only it took him a second or two.

Heres the final flash vid, I’m too sleepy to look for scans now youtube is faster.



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Paradox wrote:

Kinasin wrote:

Paradox wrote:

Joshstarwind wrote: IT would seem that in dbz they gan go light speed in small bursts, or at least near it. Thats why radditz is said to move the speed of lighting.



Instant transmission is not quantifiable in terms of speed.



In Marvels eyes it is. Whenever they have power grids if someone can teleport they put there speed at the highest on the grid.



Of course people with it would be at the top of the list. But things like: instant transmission, warping, teleporting ect. are not quantifiable in terms of speed. They are beyond speed.



You just quantified it though.


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ItsOver wrote:

Paradox wrote:

Redx wrote:

Paradox wrote:

Redx wrote:

Paradox wrote:

Redx wrote:

Paradox wrote:

Redx wrote:

Paradox wrote:

ItsOver wrote: To everyone saying lighting isnt lightspeed dont forget that lighting can range from massively hypersonic to 1/2 the speed of light.



Actually, the average lightning bolt travels at about 3,700Mi/s compared to lights 186,000Mi/s. In other words; average lightning travels at a puny 1/48 the speed of light.

The super saiyan transformation multiplies everything by 50 so that would put him over lightspeed.



I fucked up the calc slightly. It’s actually about 1/50 the speed of light, not 1/48.

Anyway, is there a rough calculation of base Goku’s speed?

I yeah I remember reading a few threads a long time ago that had calced goku’s speed, but I wouldnt know how to find it, ask one of the hardcore DBZ debators if they know anything. I normally dont like to use calcs but thats just me. Also even if its only 1/50 goku does get massively faster throughout the entire series so he would still be over lightspeed.



No, he would not neccesarily be faster than light based on 'he gets faster throughout the series'. Without any ACTUAL evidence or something to powerscale his speed off of; then you have no way of saying that he is MFTL.

Well he made it all they around namek in an instant, thats something to go on. When their power increases everything else does, speed, durability, power, physical, strength, etc. Goku has trained so many times and gotten so many power-ups since his first super saiyan transformation.



Goku FLEW all the way around Namek in an instant? Are you sure it wasn’t through instant transmission?

lol He didnt even learn that yet. Look at the scans posted in the first couple pages.



I’ve never read the manga, so I’m going by my limited knowledge of the anime. In which, I’m pretty sure that Goku had instant transmission at the time. And I looked at all of the scans in this thread; what exactly are they supposed to be showing me?

Redx wrote: Vegeta&#146;s final flash against cell and when piccolo blew up the moon, master roshi too.



Again I don’t remember much of DBZ, so forgive my ignorance. What distant planet did Vegeta’s final flash hit, and where was he firing it from? As for Roshi and Piccollo destroying the moon; I MIGHT be able to calculate the speed of those ki blasts.


Goku doesn’t learn IT until after escaping Namek. Read my scan again. Goku was on the other side of a planet massively bigger than the Earth and flew to where Frieza and his friends were almost in an instant.



How do you know that they were on the other side of the planet? And what do you call Goku and Frieza INSTANTLY appearing behind each other during their fight? Sounds like IT to me.

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I would also like to add that people with a PL of around 2000 nearly outspeeds Guldo, someone with the power to freeze time with just his thoughts. With their PL’s constantly raising just imagine how much more faster they got.

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