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[Reply] #101
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Misunderstood your question, the first part I wrote was irrelevant.

Yes. It is clearly a metafictional reference to the play, both in the structure of not revealing anything but snippets and how it makes people go mad. THe play was the same way. Chambers never truly revealed it’s content, only snippets.

No question about it. True Detective keeps the fact that the play appears in it as the stories that the Tuttle cabal tell each-other and makes people and themselves go crazy. The video is their entire story, culture, art and tradition in one single sitting, so it’s just that fucked-up.

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I explained more on that here, don’t know if you saw it:

Make no mistake ladies and gentleman, Lovecraft’s unthinkable eldritch horrors and Chamber’s apocryphal play -- supernatural monstrosities that drive men insane -- do appear in True Detective. Only; they do so transmogrified. They take the form of Carcosa and The Yellow King -- the plot devices that have secretly guided True Detective&#146;s story from behind the curtains -- and this time not in supernatural form, but as something far more terrifying: culture, tradition and realizations.

“You, yourself, this whole big drama, it was never more than a jerry rig of presumption and dumb will, and you could just let go. To finally know that you didn’t have to hold on so tight. To realize that all your life, all your love, all your hate, all your memories, all your pain, it was all the same thing. It was all the same dream, a dream that you had inside a locked room, a dream about being a person. And like a lot of dreams, there’s a monster at the end of it."

Ideas cultivated by people’s dreams of being a person, of having a self. Ideas cultivated by society’s collective delusion that you can have a unique, individual identity, as Rust would put it. That leads to the creation of monsters in the end, monsters in human form, which is what Cohle and Hart hunt. The real antagonists, the real monsters of True Detective are not exactly the killers, but the concepts they follow: the afore-mentioned embodiment, worship and personification of the Yellow King, the realization of Carcosa and its flat circle of time. These ideas, these Tuttle-Cabal family traditions; they spawned monsters at the end of people’s dreams for identity: they drove men mad.

Not unlike Lovecraft’s horrors or Chamber’s play. This makes True Detective one of the few series to incorporate metafiction into its narrative.

Brief interlude here for those of you unfamiliar with the device of metafiction in literature. In its most basic form, it’s the act of referencing other literature within your literature, seeking to transform itself into a self-aware artifact, drawing attention to the relation between fiction and reality. The most famous and obvious example of its use can be found in Hamlet, where he shows his uncle a play, therefore making a play within a play. True Detective uses a form of this with Chamber’s own metafiction: The King in Yellow, and the eponymous play within the book. Pizzolatto references the literary devices of Carcosa and The King in Yellow, and maintains their essence from Chamber’s work: that they drive men insane, creating a beautiful homage between the two, which draws attention and alludes to True Detective&#146;s central themes, its plot and characters.

Now, this use of metafiction becomes so terrifying because you know that there truly is no supernatural element in the story, unlike a work by Chambers or Lovecraft; yet the fear that it drives into you feels like the fear of something as powerful as a supernatural entity, after all, Marty and Cohle are fighting generations and generations of culture and tradition, not only mere people. That’s why True Detective’s horror is so effective; it strikes a balance between seemingly supernatural implications and reality, making the show’s horrors, which are possible to our reality, far more scary than an ordinary monster.
That being because True Detective’s monsters could conceivably exist in our reality, right? After all, everyone has the want for culture and tradition; their mindsets and realizations.
The careful, calculated balance between reality and the feeling of the supernatural is a deliberate use of horror artistry -- and is without a doubt integral to the resounding success of Pizzolatto’s show.

Edited 03-11-2014 04:09 AM by Wolfey
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03-11-2014 01:34 PM
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So cool, can’t wait for S2.

No more Rust though. sad

Edited 03-11-2014 01:35 PM by Impavido
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Through out this whole series, there was only one thought in my mind:

“Rust needs a fucking hug”.

But srsly tho, really good show. Givin' it an 8.8/10. Officially in my top 10 smiley, and Rust is one of the best characters I’ve seen since Boardwalk Empire’s Richard Harrow.


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Mag overrates Harrow to no end smiley. Nelson best char anyway atm.

Anyways, really good show. Though I haven’t made a Top 10 in a long while so I dunno where I’d place it.

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The Butcher wrote: Mag overrates Harrow to no end smiley. Nelson best char anyway atm.



It seems I’m the only person in this house who actually has some taste regarding characters. You and Dad can go suck Nelly’s dick all you want smiley.


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http://www.eonline.com/news/565925/vince-vaughn-in-talks-for-true-detective-season-2

Hmm...

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Ladd wrote: http://www.eonline.com/news/565925/vince-vaughn-in-talks-for-true-detective-season-2

Hmm...



We should all prepare for some serious based acting

Edited 08-05-2014 05:02 AM by Wolfey
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nietsnefloW wrote:

Ladd wrote: http://www.eonline.com/news/565925/vince-vaughn-in-talks-for-true-detective-season-2

Hmm...



We should all prepare for some serious based acting

Vince is gonna take all the Emmys next year.

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> Owen Wilson at least


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Mister-Teal wrote: > Owen Wilson at least

Adam Sandler and Nicholas Cage confirmed for S3.

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http://time.com/3422764/vince-vaughn-colin-farrell-true-detective/

I didn’t think it was actually going to happen.
I’m not sure how I feel about this.

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09-23-2014 05:37 PM
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Ladd wrote: http://time.com/3422764/vince-vaughn-colin-farrell-true-detective/

I didn’t think it was actually going to happen.
I’m not sure how I feel about this.



“Justin Lin will direct the first two episodes."



Fucking dropped

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09-23-2014 05:39 PM
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Ladd wrote: http://time.com/3422764/vince-vaughn-colin-farrell-true-detective/

I didn’t think it was actually going to happen.
I’m not sure how I feel about this.



What the hell, Lol.

I feel like we’re being trolled.

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09-23-2014 05:44 PM
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So we have multiple directors, and a mafia theme.

This is fucking depressing.

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nietsnefloW wrote:

Ladd wrote: http://time.com/3422764/vince-vaughn-colin-farrell-true-detective/

I didn’t think it was actually going to happen.
I’m not sure how I feel about this.



What the hell, Lol.

I feel like we’re being trolled.

Yeah, so do I.

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11-18-2014 08:44 PM
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http://www.indiewire.com/article/true-detective-season-2-everything-we-know-right-now-almost-20141118

Edited 11-18-2014 08:46 PM by Fuck you Luis
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I think I remember seeing the pilot and looked pretty good, should I check it out? +_+


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Season 2 when

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