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Phobetor wrote:

The Doctor wrote: yea you aren’t gonna convince anyone that supernatural is more successful than doctor who sorry brah.


You do realize that most people know of Doctor Who only by the jokes?



lets break this down:

every show from SUpernatural itself to Family guy has made numerous doctor who references. therefore, it is safe to say that a lot of people know it enough to recognize it.

whenever there is a big event like comic con or whatever, you can bet your ass off more people:

-will know doctor who characters and actors more than they will supernatural.
- cosplay as doctor who characters vs supernatural
-you’ll get a much stronger reaction if you mention doctor who vs supernatural.

doctor who is ingrained in pretty much every modern sci fi in some shape or form. I have yet to see this wide success supernatural has.


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You are assuming that popularity (with Doctor Who, advertised nonsensically and sterotypically) is success in general. I realize that a higher popularity of merchandise makes it more successful, but many other factors are in play.


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The Doctor wrote:

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Graviton wrote: 1) Like them both
2) Dr Who - Guardians of Time
3) Dr Who obviously


Time is something that is a bitch to high tier angels bro. :S



http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Guardians_of_Time

“Rassilon also considered the Great Old Ones “sub-Guardians”.". btw this pretty shows that the guardians of time are above even the Lovecration horros in doctor who like yog sothoth and cthulu.

“They could also act together to directly re-shape creation as the Six-Fold God, as when they retroactively un-did the very existence of Prometheus.". all of creation= the entire doctor who multiverse.


Gabriel can fuck with reality so much that he can make fiction real and has shown to be breaking the 4th wall with his actual powers without a spell. He reset the universe multiple times too just by playing around(Reset it to the beginning of a day). And like I said, Gabriel was just playing around. He reset it half a year too, and his powers are considered by Lucifer to be “Ametuer hocus pocus”

It isn’t a far out notion to say, they could easily do something like the Guardians of Time if they wanted to. God certainly could. So I think it’s safe to say both verses are pretty equal in terms of power. But it’s obvious Dr. Who is more popular.



thats a difference between casually fucking up a universe vs being capable of manipulation a multiverse containing infinite universes.


I don’t think it’s like that at all. They are on the same basic tier. The Dr. Who universe is not “infinite” universes. But it’s countless universes, and from this we see it’s them “acting together” Not just alone like an archangel does it. Could one of them reset the universe on whim? Cause Gabriel can, and normal angels can fuck with things like putting souls in different bodies(Put Sam and Dean in bodies of office workers for them to solve a case, and only had memories and the Ghost facer’s teachings to work with) Their powers are really crazy. They can pretty much do with creation that’s below them, however they want. Almost.

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read the wiki link. they can combine into the Six FOld god which is in it’s own way like an archangel.

actually, the doctor who multiverse is in fact, a multiverse a containing infinite universes. The doctor said so himself and it’s supported by Parallel earth with similar features.

that’s where I see the big power gap difference: I am aware that archangels can pretty much do anything they want to anything beneath them in power, but what you’ve shown me is casual univesre to universe+ level strength. even being generous and saying God and/or Death at their peaks are 1234456 that amount of power, that still isn’t the same as infinite universes.


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Death is a character, even assuming your version of God. If you didn’t know, he reaps the strongest Gods and is older than time.

I don’t see what the infinite variations of the universes signify against him.


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The Doctor wrote: read the wiki link. they can combine into the Six FOld god which is in it’s own way like an archangel.

actually, the doctor who multiverse is in fact, a multiverse a containing infinite universes. The doctor said so himself and it’s supported by Parallel earth with similar features.

that’s where I see the big power gap difference: I am aware that archangels can pretty much do anything they want to anything beneath them in power, but what you’ve shown me is casual univesre to universe+ level strength. even being generous and saying God and/or Death at their peaks are 1234456 that amount of power, that still isn’t the same as infinite universes.


So you’re saying that the guardians of time have infinite levels of power, because that’s what you’d need to destroy infinite universes, or “unmake” it. God is likely functionally omnipotent.

Either way, I doubt they have infinite power, because that would make them omnipotent, which they clearly are not. I think the reason they were able to unmake creation together is because they were aspects of creation, not because of raw power per say.

God and Death are likely functionally omnipotent to the point it doesn’t really matter, and they are not part of creation. God, created creation and Death is roughly on that level too. So he is certainly above things that represent creation and certainly over beings who can destroy it.

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Phobetor wrote: Death is a character, even assuming your version of God. If you didn’t know, he reaps the strongest Gods and is older than time.

I don’t see what the infinite variations of the universes signify against him.


If you want to get technical, there are tons of alternate universes just from that one day Gabriel messed with. Tons of universes that Dean died in. There is likely infinite variations in Supernatural too. It just follows the “Main” one.

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ModFather wrote: If you want to get technical, there are tons of alternate universes just from that one day Gabriel messed with. Tons of universes that Dean died in. There is likely infinite variations in Supernatural too. It just follows the “Main” one.


I know. I’m not getting into that because it will just lead to repetition and most likely flame.

Indeed, I see no way whatsoever in which Supernatural is not above Doctor Who in terms of power.


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Phobetor wrote: Death is a character, even assuming your version of God. If you didn’t know, he reaps the strongest Gods and is older than time.

I don’t see what the infinite variations of the universes signify against him.



I know death and god are both different characters but they appear in terms of raw power to be close ( yea yea I know death said he would eventually reap god as well) and thus comparable which is why I referenced them in the way that I did.


I assume by variations you assume alternate timelines (if not I apologize)?
If so, I also suggest doing your research because doctor who makes a VERY VERY strong distinction between different timelines and different universes.

different timelines occur within the same universes but the best way to describe them would be like “branches”. alternate timelines include the season 6 finale of doctor who where the disintegration of all of time due to the attempted change of a “locked/fixed” point of time shifted the doctor into an alternate time line where all of time was occurring at the same time.

another example is the season 4 episode “Turn Left” where upon a time beetle is placed on Donna Noble’s back and it takes her back through her timestream and instead of making one turn, she makes another in her car which creates an alternate timeline where the Doctor is killed. this timeline is eventually destroyed by Donna as “sacrifices” herself in order to make an earlier version of herself make that correct turn and basically causes the time beetle to die.

there are infinite universes however. this was made VERY clear during Series two in the last few episodes when the doctor explained that in between each universe is an area called the “Void”.

quite different from alternate timelines.


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Phobetor wrote:

ModFather wrote: If you want to get technical, there are tons of alternate universes just from that one day Gabriel messed with. Tons of universes that Dean died in. There is likely infinite variations in Supernatural too. It just follows the “Main” one.


I know. I’m not getting into that because it will just lead to repetition and most likely flame.

Indeed, I see no way whatsoever in which Supernatural is not above Doctor Who in terms of power.


Eh I figure they are in the general same tier of power. If there was an actual fight the top tiers in either probably wouldn’t/couldn’t get involved.

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ModFather wrote:

Phobetor wrote: Death is a character, even assuming your version of God. If you didn’t know, he reaps the strongest Gods and is older than time.

I don’t see what the infinite variations of the universes signify against him.


If you want to get technical, there are tons of alternate universes just from that one day Gabriel messed with. Tons of universes that Dean died in. There is likely infinite variations in Supernatural too. It just follows the “Main” one.

if it was stated that there were infinite universes in supernatural by someone like god, lucifer, death, etc etc I’d have no trouble at all agreeing with you.


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ModFather wrote:

Phobetor wrote:

ModFather wrote: If you want to get technical, there are tons of alternate universes just from that one day Gabriel messed with. Tons of universes that Dean died in. There is likely infinite variations in Supernatural too. It just follows the “Main” one.


I know. I’m not getting into that because it will just lead to repetition and most likely flame.

Indeed, I see no way whatsoever in which Supernatural is not above Doctor Who in terms of power.


Eh I figure they are in the general same tier of power. If there was an actual fight the top tiers in either probably wouldn’t/couldn’t get involved.



you know a doctor who/supernatural cross over would be pretty epic.


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The Doctor wrote:

Phobetor wrote: Death is a character, even assuming your version of God. If you didn’t know, he reaps the strongest Gods and is older than time.

I don’t see what the infinite variations of the universes signify against him.



I know death and god are both different characters but they appear in terms of raw power to be close ( yea yea I know death said he would eventually reap god as well) and thus comparable which is why I referenced them in the way that I did.


I assume by variations you assume alternate timelines (if not I apologize)?
If so, I also suggest doing your research because doctor who makes a VERY VERY strong distinction between different timelines and different universes.

different timelines occur within the same universes but the best way to describe them would be like “branches”. alternate timelines include the season 6 finale of doctor who where the disintegration of all of time due to the attempted change of a “locked/fixed” point of time shifted the doctor into an alternate time line where all of time was occurring at the same time.

another example is the season 4 episode “Turn Left” where upon a time beetle is placed on Donna Noble’s back and it takes her back through her timestream and instead of making one turn, she makes another in her car which creates an alternate timeline where the Doctor is killed. this timeline is eventually destroyed by Donna as “sacrifices” herself in order to make an earlier version of herself make that correct turn and basically causes the time beetle to die.

there are infinite universes however. this was made VERY clear during Series two in the last few episodes when the doctor explained that in between each universe is an area called the “Void”.

quite different from alternate timelines.


But I think different time lines are “similar” to alternate universes. Remember sliders? It kind of followed different time lines and paralleled universes. They take place in the “same” universe but they are a “different” universe.

Virgil, the angel mentioned there were different universes too. So there is both alternate timelines and different universes in Supernatural.

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The Doctor wrote: I know death and god are both different characters but they appear in terms of raw power to be close ( yea yea I know death said he would eventually reap god as well) and thus comparable which is why I referenced them in the way that I did.


Death is actually infinitely stronger, though he can be temporarily captured by those with the power and knowledge.
In any case, not a good comparison even under the assumption of God being relatively weak, as in your view.

I was referring to variations rather than universes themselves; there are many, many universes but in truth hold infinite variations only.
Commendable detail, though. wink


ModFather wrote: Eh I figure they are in the general same tier of power. If there was an actual fight the top tiers in either probably wouldn’t/couldn’t get involved.


I’m not precisely comparing the two, as it would fundamentally be fallacious, per se; I didn’t say Supernatural is stronger either--only not weaker than Doctor WHh (though of course it is easy to make a case of the former verse’s power superiority.
In general, I’d say they are about even. Considering the top-tiers, though, and disregarding lack of participation, I make a case for Supernatural.


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The Doctor wrote:

ModFather wrote:

Phobetor wrote:

ModFather wrote: If you want to get technical, there are tons of alternate universes just from that one day Gabriel messed with. Tons of universes that Dean died in. There is likely infinite variations in Supernatural too. It just follows the “Main” one.


I know. I’m not getting into that because it will just lead to repetition and most likely flame.

Indeed, I see no way whatsoever in which Supernatural is not above Doctor Who in terms of power.


Eh I figure they are in the general same tier of power. If there was an actual fight the top tiers in either probably wouldn’t/couldn’t get involved.



you know a doctor who/supernatural cross over would be pretty epic.


It probably would. Lore wise for both it’s possible. Get both teams of writers to write an episode and I bet it would get ratings off the roof.

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I third the notion of a crossover.

Discounting any probable issues, of course. ;-)


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it could always be a one shot or something, not necessarily canon.


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Supernatural has gone full out meta. I doubt it would be an issue of canon, both sets of writers are very creative they could fit it in. Not saying they SHOULD, but they could and it WOULD be cool.

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Doctor has the Big Bang Tardis.
Daleks have solar system busters.


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Supernatural and doctor who arnt from the same categorie though i like more supernatural for its adventures and action!


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