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Da PokeNigga Masta wrote: The 90s was god tier for cartoons.



I wholeheartedly agree.


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Maximum D wrote: Cartoons suck now. They need to bring back Ed Edd n Eddy and Billy and Mandy.



How could I forget a classic like Ed Edd N Eddy?

Shame on me.


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My favourite 1990S cartoon


Under appreciated as heck too


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Recent show. Cancelled by CN.

That movie and it’s toy sales ruined this show’s chances (because the movie’s toyline bombed, the company was unwilling to make another Green Lantern related toy line because people would associate it with the movie).

Pretty awesome theme music, though.


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Just got done re-watching Superman: The Animated Series.

Gonna re-watch Samurai Jack now.

sergent colt wrote: [img]http://dadinmanila.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/oggy-and-the-cockroaches-season-4.jpg[/img]

Never watched this show before. Is it any good?

Proto wrote: [youtube]2y8A7ttvGiI[/youtube]
Recent show. Cancelled by CN.

That movie and it’s toy sales ruined this show’s chances (because the movie’s toyline bombed, the company was unwilling to make another Green Lantern related toy line because people would associate it with the movie).

Pretty awesome theme music, though.

They show was pretty legit from what I saw.

It’s a shame CN keeps cancelling great shows for no real reason. Sym-Bionic Titan got dealt that same bullshit.

I honestly don’t know anyone who actually gives a flying fuck about a toyline so I’m not sure why it’s even relevant. But I’m sure theres some unnecessarily convoluted business reason involved that I’m not seeing here.

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Aoi Kunieda is a shit character wrote: Just got done re-watching Superman: The Animated Series.

Gonna re-watch Samurai Jack now.

sergent colt wrote:

Never watched this show before. Is it any good?

Proto wrote:


Recent show. Cancelled by CN.

That movie and it’s toy sales ruined this show’s chances (because the movie’s toyline bombed, the company was unwilling to make another Green Lantern related toy line because people would associate it with the movie).

Pretty awesome theme music, though.

They show was pretty legit from what I saw.

It’s a shame CN keeps cancelling great shows for no real reason. Sym-Bionic Titan got dealt that same bullshit.

I honestly don’t know anyone who actually gives a flying fuck about a toyline so I’m not sure why it’s even relevant. But I’m sure theres some unnecessarily convoluted business reason involved that I’m not seeing here.


Well, it was the Green Lantern movie that screwed the show over. And yes, actually, there is some convoluted business reason, as explained by Greg Weisman (Gargoyles, Spectacular Spider Man, Young Justice):

Greg responds...

I think one thing to keep in mind is ratings these days are NOT what they used to be.
Ducktales was a ratings smash. It made it’s money by itself. Any merchandising was gravy.
Our numbers on Gargoyles, back in the day, puts the ratings of many of today’s quote-unquote top-rated animated series to shame. (And Gargoyles was a hit, but never a home run, ratings-wise. Just a single or double.)
So with lower numbers overall, that means less income is coming in from advertising. Meanwhile, the costs of production have either held steady or gone up. That’s pretty simple math, isn’t it?
So to pay for the production of these shows, you’re counting on other streams of revenue to balance the books - and for an action show that mostly means TOYS.
So if the toys don’t sell - for whatever reason - how do you pay for the series?
Whether that’s reasonable or not is somewhat immaterial. It’s just the cold, hard truth of the situation.
So EVERY show I’ve ever been asked to produce has a core target that it’s trying to reach, and usually that’s BOYS 6-11, because the belief is (whether you agree or not) that Boys 6-11 drive toy sales for action figures. Doesn’t mean the networks object to other demographics (girls or younger kids or older kids, tweens, teens and adults) ALSO watching. But you still have to hit the target.
Picture it like a bullseye. Concentric circles. You MUST hit the center. But hopefully in hitting that sweet spot, you are also reaching the other demos. Back on Gargoyles, I was farely successful at hitting that target audience AND reaching other demos too. And that has always been my goal on these shows. We didn’t quite manage it on W.I.T.C.H. We did on Spectacular Spider-Man. And our success was mixed on Young Justice. Ratings were decent overall (by today’s standards though not by any absolute standard at all), but our ratings in our target demo were inconsistent at best. (We could go on forever about why, but it doesn’t change the FACT of the numbers.)
Throw in Mattel’s decision to abandon their YJ line (again, without going into the reasons behind it), and frankly it’s no surprise we weren’t renewed.
Because how could Warner Bros afford to make it?
After experimenting for two seasons and 46 episodes of YJ, why wouldn’t they take the chance on something new that might bring in more money? Or at least pay its own way?
Frankly, we need a new business model. But the studios haven’t landed on one that works yet. So they still chase hits.


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Greg responds...

I think one thing to keep in mind is ratings these days are NOT what they used to be.
Ducktales was a ratings smash. It made it’s money by itself. Any merchandising was gravy.
Our numbers on Gargoyles, back in the day, puts the ratings of many of today’s quote-unquote top-rated animated series to shame. (And Gargoyles was a hit, but never a home run, ratings-wise. Just a single or double.)
So with lower numbers overall, that means less income is coming in from advertising. Meanwhile, the costs of production have either held steady or gone up. That’s pretty simple math, isn’t it?
So to pay for the production of these shows, you’re counting on other streams of revenue to balance the books - and for an action show that mostly means TOYS.
So if the toys don’t sell - for whatever reason - how do you pay for the series?
Whether that’s reasonable or not is somewhat immaterial. It’s just the cold, hard truth of the situation.
So EVERY show I’ve ever been asked to produce has a core target that it’s trying to reach, and usually that’s BOYS 6-11, because the belief is (whether you agree or not) that Boys 6-11 drive toy sales for action figures. Doesn’t mean the networks object to other demographics (girls or younger kids or older kids, tweens, teens and adults) ALSO watching. But you still have to hit the target.
Picture it like a bullseye. Concentric circles. You MUST hit the center. But hopefully in hitting that sweet spot, you are also reaching the other demos. Back on Gargoyles, I was farely successful at hitting that target audience AND reaching other demos too. And that has always been my goal on these shows. We didn’t quite manage it on W.I.T.C.H. We did on Spectacular Spider-Man. And our success was mixed on Young Justice. Ratings were decent overall (by today’s standards though not by any absolute standard at all), but our ratings in our target demo were inconsistent at best. (We could go on forever about why, but it doesn’t change the FACT of the numbers.)
Throw in Mattel’s decision to abandon their YJ line (again, without going into the reasons behind it), and frankly it’s no surprise we weren’t renewed.
Because how could Warner Bros afford to make it?
After experimenting for two seasons and 46 episodes of YJ, why wouldn’t they take the chance on something new that might bring in more money? Or at least pay its own way?
Frankly, we need a new business model. But the studios haven’t landed on one that works yet. So they still chase hits.

Ah, I see.

Thanks for clearing that up. I’m not sure why they try to make toys though. I don’t know any kids who still play with toys.

They should go for a video game or something more “interactive”.


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Cost of animated productions have not gone up, the entirety of the (US) animated industry switched to digital because it’s both MUCH cheaper to produce but less time consuming.


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Say what you will about the American Godzilla movie, but you have to admit, it spawned a pretty awesome cartoon.


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Am I the only person here that even remotely cares about this thread?



Also, in light of recent Ghostbusters related events...



EDIT: Forgot this last bit.

Rest in Peace, Harold Ramis.


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I care

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GayAssFightingHero wrote: I care

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Well with the fact that no one else seems to even notice this thread, it’s hard to not make assumptions. SO, how 'bout those toon openings I posted, huh?


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Proto wrote: Am I the only person here that even remotely cares about this thread?

Not at all.







I obviously remember your second two but tell me about the first one. It rings a bell but I can’t really remember if I ever truly watched it.


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Hey Proto, you should watch Bucky O Hare. I bet you would like it.


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Redx wrote: I obviously remember your second two but tell me about the first one. It rings a bell but I can’t really remember if I ever truly watched it.


I have to admit, I don’t quite remember all the details behind Cybersix. Mostly just that it ended after one season because they killed the villain and without him there weren’t any stories left to tell.

I think I need to rewatch it at some point.

@Other Proto
Sounds familiar...


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Heres a site I usually go to since I generally don’t follow cartoons on television anymore.

http://www.animeflavor.com/cartoons


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If you remember this show, then you have Master Taste.


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Shadow-Of-Sundered-Star wrote:



If you remember this show, then you have Master Taste.

Hah, good stuff

reminds me of Robot Boy


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Redx wrote: Heres a site I usually go to since I generally don’t follow cartoons on television anymore.

http://www.animeflavor.com/cartoons


Well, regardless, what I’m finding is that the show was an adaptation of a comic series of the same name and that the villain is a mad scientist Nazi who created the protagonist.

The show is toned down compared to the comics.

@Shadow
I remember that show. Never got into it myself, but my sister was obsessed with it. She has every episode on tape, in fact!


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