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REASON #1 – Punching is a snapping motion, NOT a pushing motion
Lifting weights is a PUSHING MOTION.


You exert as much force as possible, as consistently as possible, to lift the heaviest weight you can. During a pushing motion, the object is moved by you first establishing contact and exerting force over a relatively extended period of time.

The natural progression of lifting weights is to lift heavier. Of course, everyone tries to lift fast but once they’re able to lift something, the next step is to lift HEAVIER. Speed is not the focus, strength is. Unfortunately many beginner fighters falsely believe punching to be the same pushing motion. These beginners think the goal of punching is to push their fist with as much force as possible to penetrate their opponent as hard as possible.

Examples of sports with PUSHING motions (all of these also have snapping motions):

sprinting
gymnastics
football
wrestling
weightlifting

Punching is a SNAPPING MOTION.

A snapping motion is to exert as much force as possible in the least amount of time. With a snapping motion, you accelerate your hand towards the object and then use the IMPACT of that acceleration to exert force.

Suppose you want to punch fast. The goal would be to explode on your opponent with the fastest punch possible and make contact with your opponent with the shortest amount of time. A punch is not a push, it’s a quick explosion, an accelerated force that reaches maximum power upon contact. When lifting weights, you can take a few seconds to exert your strength. When punching an opponent, you don’t have this luxury of time–he has to feel your power right when you touch him. Your fist must SNAP upon impact and return quickly so you can throw other punches or go back on defense. The speed requirement of punching increases the explosive damage your opponent feels. Lifting weights has far less emphasis on speed, which costs you EXPLOSIVE power.

Examples of sports with SNAPPING motions:

tennis
baseball (hitting, not throwing)
golf
volleyball
BOXING!
Pushing vs Snapping

The main difference between a pushing motion and a snapping motion is the amount of contact time made and the consistency of energy committed. Compare the bodies of these different types of athletes. If weightlifting improved snapping movements, wouldn’t professional volleyball players be lifting weights so they could spike the ball harder? If weightlifters had punching advantages, they would all be strong punchers, right?

Pushing definitely allows you to move heavier objects because you have more time to apply force. Snapping allows you to apply more explosive force (damage) because you have the freedom to accelerate. You could say that pushing is like throwing a baseball, whereas snapping is like spiking a volleyball. Both are powerful movements but punching is definitely more like snapping than pushing.

REASON #2 – Powerful Punches Require Relaxation, NOT Strong Muscles

When you don’t know how to punch, all your punches become pushes. Without the proper technique, all you can do is use your strength and power

So how DO you punch?

1. I won’t go into specifics right now but here are some simple concepts:

2. Punching power (damage caused) = acceleration (hand speed) x force (muscle strength & body weight)
You punch harder by using committing more speed and more force.

relaxing motion- this “release” of your body allows your punch to accelerate faster creating a far more devastating explosion when you finally add weight. If you think about it: the punching motion is relaxing your fist as much as possible towards your opponent, leaving only the final moment of impact for your muscle contraction. Learn how to exert force through relaxation and you will have mastered 99% of your punching technique.

Now of course, relaxing your body doesn’t mean letting your body flop all over the place. Use proper punching form to relax your body INTO the motion of the punch. Then contract all your muscles simultaneously at the very end to finally add weight to the punch. Mastering this split-second timing of punching with your entire body all at once, is what makes the punch incredibly powerful. (Increasing your muscle power is useless if you can’t get your body to hit all at once.)

Proper punching requires snapping movement (exerting maximum force in the shortest time possible). Unfortunately, most fighters are only taught the proper punching form, which is easy to teach because you can see it. Technique on the other hand, has to be felt and has to be taught. It’s a special skill requiring a combination of timing and visualization. Now you understand why an old skillful boxer can still punch harder than a young athletic kid. It’s because he’s mastered the timing of relaxing his body and then contracting his muscles in the right moment to deliver the explosive power.

An explosive punch is 99.99% snap, and 0.01% push.

Lifting weights will not train you to relax and only makes your body slow during the contraction phase of the punch. If you’re so use to exerting force over a period of several seconds, how will you be able to exert maximum force in only a split second? The simple answer is that you can’t (or you won’t be as good at it).

Proper punching requires snapping movement (exerting maximum force in the shortest time possible). Unfortunately, most fighters are only taught the proper punching form, which is easy to teach because you can see it. Technique on the other hand, has to be felt and has to be taught. It’s a special skill requiring a combination of timing and visualization. Now you understand why an old skillful boxer can still punch harder than a young athletic kid. It’s because he’s mastered the timing of relaxing his body and then contracting his muscles in the right moment to deliver the explosive power.

REASON #3 – Lifting Weights Can Decrease Your Muscle Relaxation Capacity
his is where the old school arguments against weights come in. I’m sure you’ve heard them all before.

Lifting weights:

makes you slow
makes you stiff
makes you tire out faster

Is it true? Well, let’s think about the extremes. Suppose I was to compare two guys– one being a weightlifter and the other being a dancer. How might their bodies look differently? How might their bodies move differently? Which body do you think would better mimic the movements of a boxer?

Suppose you don’t care about being slower or having less endurance. You should still consider the chances that lifting weights might HAMPER your relaxation capacity and thus your power punching ability. Even a slight decrease in speed can make the difference between a landed punch and a missed punch. Being more powerful isn’t worth it if you can’t sustain that power for a whole 3 rounds.

REASON #4 – The Weight Behind Your Punches Is NOT Your Muscle
The force behind your punches is generately mostly from your body weight. Your muscles’ role in punching power is to make your body weight heavier AND DIRECT THE FORCE into your opponent. Your muscles don’t have to generate any punching force, they simply tighten your body into a compact “weight” and direct this weight into your opponent.

REASON #5 – Punching Power Doesn’t Guarantee Damage Delivered
Punching Power vs Damaged Delivered


The amount of damage delivered is determined by:

muscle power (conditioning)
technique (skill)
angle (skill)
accuracy (skill)
timing (skill)

Having powerful muscles doesn’t guarantee a great punch. You’ve got to have skill. You need technique, angle, accuracy, and timing. Beginners rely on raw power during slugfests, but experienced fighters generate far more power using SKILLS!

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12-17-2012 08:26 AM
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TL;DR, no author thinks stuff like that.

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Thank you for this info.


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Yes, this is a general knowledge.

However..boxers lift weights, I used to box professionally for CBF (was a backup boxer) but I still lifted weights. Heck I was an Enforcer on my Hockey team for 2 years (AAAA Raiders) and I boxed for about 6, I was always into strength lifting. I was a decent size when I was in my senior year at highschool. I don’t think many guys at my weight in my school could/would want to jump in a ring with me.

You know what I found out though? A guy who is 200 pounds with a low bodyfat vs a guy who is 200 pounds with a high bodyfat. The guy with the low body fat was faster, stronger and beat the crap out of the chubbier dude. Now this may not be the case in all the fights, but lifting weights and building a strong core..definitely helps.

Now, I am going on to 22 and I don’t believe in violence. But saying that Weight Lifting won’t help punching power. Is a little bit silly. Boxers generally go through these training stages called circuits. In which part of the training is weight lifting (delts, traps, tri’s, chest etc..). This definitely helps with building power..that along side with technique training such as; shadow boxing, heavy bag, light bag, trick bag, sparring and a right diet and cardio program. You’re set.

I hear guys all the time in the gym “Hes big but I bet I could knock him out with one punch." Bullshit. Its your insecurities coming out the moment you even say something stupid like that..and I highly doubt you could knock a juiced up bodybuilder out with one punch. He may not have the technical requirements to make up a good sparring partner but saying you could knock his ass out with ease is just stupid. Most guys that big fight like bulldogs, they wrestle and tire you out that way (wrestling a big heavy dude is tiring as hell).


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Even with all the things you listed, at the end of the day, some people just naturally hit harder than others.


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Weight lifting increases punching power you faggot, weight classes in boxing exist for a reason.


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Moses Sandow wrote: Weight lifting increases punching power you faggot, weight classes in boxing exist for a reason.



Exactly. That’s why Superman (400 sextillion tons) is stronger than Ssj Goku (10 tons).

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Moses Sandow wrote: Weight lifting increases punching power you faggot, weight classes in boxing exist for a reason.



that has less to do with weight lifting, and more to do with the fact that some people are just naturally bigger than others, and as king john said, naturally hit harder than others

weight lifting is alright, but its more important to only attain and/or attune useful muscle ie muscle that is attained and/or attuned through the motions that they are used for. in other words if you want to punch harder, you punch. if you want to kick harder, you kick. etc



granted weight lifting along with appropriate eating is still useful just to gain all around bulk for sports such as USA style football for instance. but if you are gonna use it in an attempt to “hit harder”, you better make sure your throwing alot of punches to attune all of that muscle to proper use. kinda like a basketball player; many lift alot of weights, but it is important to shoot jumpshots after, well preferably before and after you lift, to attune the actual motor skills and make whatever s “strength” you attain useful

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Superman wins wrote:

Moses Sandow wrote: Weight lifting increases punching power you faggot, weight classes in boxing exist for a reason.



Exactly. That’s why Superman (400 sextillion tons) is stronger than Ssj Goku (10 tons).



lol Superman hits nowhere near as hard as Goku.


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Moses Sandow wrote:

Superman wins wrote:

Moses Sandow wrote: Weight lifting increases punching power you faggot, weight classes in boxing exist for a reason.



Exactly. That’s why Superman (400 sextillion tons) is stronger than Ssj Goku (10 tons).



lol Superman hits nowhere near as hard as Goku.




So you’re telling me that Superman can’t beat a character who is ripped apart by 40 tons of force

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People like Roronoa Zoro and Luffy disagree vastly

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gojira4life wrote: People like Roronoa Zoro and Luffy disagree vastly

Does Zoro even punch?

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smart member wrote:

gojira4life wrote: People like Roronoa Zoro and Luffy disagree vastly

Does Zoro even punch?



He has a few times and his strength feats without a sword are very impressive, like lifting a house.



I believe that being able to counter one of Luffy’s punches with his own (while having a sword in hand) is also a pretty good feat.

check here at around 2:04



Yeah, I don’t know how Luffy trains actually, we only ever see Zoro training, but I’m sure some sort of weight lifting, running and fighting animals is involved.

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I dnt undeastand how punchng wrks pls teach me

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Moses Sandow wrote:

Superman wins wrote:

Moses Sandow wrote: Weight lifting increases punching power you faggot, weight classes in boxing exist for a reason.



Exactly. That’s why Superman (400 sextillion tons) is stronger than Ssj Goku (10 tons).



lol Superman hits nowhere near as hard as Goku.



Go away faggot.


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Sheko the Reaper wrote: I dnt undeastand how punchng wrks pls teach me



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Actually Muscles to help. I mean OP.
a Bodybuilder vs a skinny guy, who wins.
I mean to properly knock out somebody you need to put your entire force into your fist.
Boxers must waste time training there muscles than, even Bruce Lee was full muscle.
Chuck Norris had muscle.
Now if is Judo or something similar than i agree, but in Boxing and MMA you need muscles.
Now You have Akido who all you need is to reverse attacks.
Krav Maga where muscles are not acquired that much.
Put anyway you need muscles for bigger strike force.
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Sheko the Reaper wrote: I dnt undeastand how punchng wrks pls teach me



The reason why Goku’s striking is so much different than his lifting is because:

Goku DOES lift 40 tons. This kind of “lifting” feat is consistent throughout the entire story even though it’s weak as fuck.

However, Goku punches/kicks at relativistic speeds with added 40 tons of weight behind his punches.

That’s why he’s able to create a striking feat that requires millions-billions tons of force to do such as kicking/punching opponents through multiple plateaus and islands or destroying planetary+ level beings.

An example would be:
If you have a piece of glass or a rubber ball coming towards you at relativistic speeds, do you think you would only get a scratch? No.
You would explode from the impact.
Now if something that weak and fragile can cause so much damage, then imagine 40+ tons coming at you at relativistic speeds.

As much as I hate to say it (Because it sounds SO weak by DBZ standards), Goku can’t lift 40 tons in his base form but he could easily lift it as an SSJ1 during the beginning of Buu Saga.
And he was also shadow boxing while he was using bukuujitsu.

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Fucking dumb quest Sheko.

1. Trolled

2. He talked to OP. not with you.

3. His an Alpha Martial Artist.


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