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Posted by German.      boy
06-22-2018 08:39 PM

Macho wrote: What are they abs how would you go around them?
For example, the most well known paradox is:
Can an omnipotent create a bolder so heavy he can’t lift?

The paradox is simple, an omnipotent by definition can do anything, but can he not do anything,which is a contradiction to the definition of omnipotent?

So how would we go about creating a rational explanation as to how he can do both without contradiction?

Would this be an acceptable solution: An omnipotent by lifting and not lifting the bolder at the same time, can create something it cannot accomplish while accomplishing it.

It sounds like I basically said the same thing, but I’m basing the explanation on quantum theory. Where light can be a particle and a wave.

The question is can any character in DBZ do this? No? Then no character in DBZ is omnipotent nor above omnipotent so stop bringing it up.

Posted by Massacre-Total_Serial_Killer
06-23-2016 09:19 AM

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Edited 06-23-2016 10:17 AM by Massacre-Total_Serial_Killer
Posted by Massacre-Total_Serial_Killer
06-23-2016 04:11 AM

Macho wrote: Not going to join the debate but there is a concept that fascinates me: Given infinite time everything and anything imaginable and unimaginable can happen.

Good. But that’s not what I meant by applying Murphy’s law to superevolution theory.

A Type 6-minus civilization (capable of manipulating quarks and quantum particles) will work to create infinite alternate universes by repeatedly recreating the big-bang. According to chaos theory, this will result in an alternate universe each time.

Within this multiverse a monkey will eventually type an entire Shakespeare Poem on accident. But shapes and forms of all of these universes will be limited by the physics and how the universe works. However, due to the laws of thermodynamics, the probability of a monkey typing William Shakespeare on accident is infinitesimally minuscule here.

Now here’s what will really blow your mind, in order to test the boundaries of reality, upon the emergence of an omega-minus civilization (capable of altering the basic structure of space and time), superevolution will work to create an infinite number of “impossible” multiverses. This omniverse will have an omnivariate cosmology as opposed to our current cosmological constant, the term “possible” becomes relative because there are no set laws of physics.

Which means after an infinite amount of time, everything that defies logic relative to our understanding of physics occurs within this omniverse. In one of these cosmologies (given infinite possible laws of thermodynamics) the probability of a monkey typing William Shakespeare on accident is exactly 1:1, with a 100% chance of it occurring.

Time could operate as a backdoor for something that is entirely free from the bounds of physics as we know it:

You can argue Occam’s razor because of how convoluted it is to consider that after an eternity of testing all possible cosmologies (how many alterations can be made to the laws of thermodynamics), this omega-minus type civilization literally become everything, and yet, by virtue of spending eternity on creating this “everything”, its own existence can have no beginning or end.

So did this supreme intellect come from superevolution, or did superevolution come from this supreme intellect? Both because it’s spent all eternity on superevolving the cosmos. If you think about it how many more omega-minus civilizations emerged from this process, how many times did they repeat the process that created them? It’s like a circle where the end of evolution repeatedly overlaps the beginning of evolution an infinite number of times.

That’s what omnipotence looks like. Paradoxes create more paradoxes.

Edited 06-23-2016 03:50 PM by Massacre-Total_Serial_Killer
Posted by Massacre-Total_Serial_Killer
06-23-2016 03:15 AM

Ricdog wrote: The idea that given an infinite time, all potential outcomes will come about is a false truism. Increasing potentiality, even to infinity, does not in itself assure the “actuality” to occur. The failure in reasoning here is in assuming the actual outcome based on the abstract calculations.

And super sentience isn’t going to solve any omnipotence paradox. Having infinite control of thermodynamics means nothing since logic is semantics and metaphysics. While superevolution is simply physics.

These are not solutions to both logical paradoxes or Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem. These things are abstractions that don’t rely on the circumstances of science or “our world” because they are concepts. Stating impossibilities will be overcome because of a “impossibility solving sentient being” isn’t a solution. It is just a description of what logically isn’t allowed.

You’re right, I am stepping outside the box here.

Lateral thinking, an intractable problem can only be resolved by stepping beyond conventional solutions.

Edited 06-23-2016 02:16 PM by Massacre-Total_Serial_Killer
Posted by Macho
06-22-2016 09:12 PM

Not going to join the debate but there is a concept that fascinates me: Given infinite time everything and anything imaginable and unimaginable can happen.

Edited 06-22-2016 09:14 PM by Macho
Posted by Ricdog
06-22-2016 04:53 PM

The idea that given an infinite time, all potential outcomes will come about is a false truism. Increasing potentiality, even to infinity, does not in itself assure the “actuality” to occur. The failure in reasoning here is in assuming the actual outcome based on the abstract calculations.

And super sentience isn’t going to solve any omnipotence paradox. Having infinite control of thermodynamics means nothing since logic is semantics and metaphysics. While superevolution is simply physics.

These are not solutions to both logical paradoxes or Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem. These things are abstractions that don’t rely on the circumstances of science or “our world” because they are concepts. Stating impossibilities will be overcome because of a “impossibility solving sentient being” isn’t a solution. It is just a description of what logically isn’t allowed.

Posted by Wade
06-20-2016 05:58 AM

God Xel' Naga apostrophes can be if they don’t want to be.

Because one thing is not another if they in fact are not the same.

Edited 06-20-2016 06:36 AM by Wade
Posted by Massacre-Total_Serial_Killer
06-20-2016 02:22 AM

Films have broached on superevolution theory:

Type I Civilization:



Type Omega-minus civilization:



God is something like ultimate order from ultimate chaos. Like I said, if one has accumulated - over the course of an eternity - an infinite multivariate combination of thermodynamic laws of nature than the laws of nature or physics or logic are all made null and void and anything and everything occurs. Whether it’s possible or not. At that point you’re God. You know everything, you can do everything - no longer limited by logical loopholes or bound by paradoxes.

Edited 06-20-2016 02:58 AM by Massacre-Total_Serial_Killer
Posted by Wade
06-20-2016 01:25 AM

There are 4 of something where “all” ought to be enough.

Posted by Massacre-Total_Serial_Killer
06-19-2016 10:25 PM

Almighty God would be a step above an omega-minus type civilization because an omege-minus type civilization would be forever creating new laws of thermodynamics until infinite laws of thermodynamics and all possible and impossible realities emerge at the end of time.

Non-linearly, almighty god already exists.

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