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Why would God make such an Atrocious Universe???

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[Reply] #81
03-30-2013 06:55 PM
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R34L1TY wrote:

Edgar.... wrote:

R34L1TY wrote:

Edgar.... wrote: God = Big bang = random shit(Life, space, matter, energy etc) its all random and nothing more, But obviously it was put into order, but with no reason but to repeat and start again.



Here is the problem with that.

First we need to figure out how the Big Bang happened, God? Okay..sure. But how did God happen?

By using this logic, you are making it MUCH harder than it has to be because you are adding in another factor (one in which I don’t think we are smart enough to even begin to understand).

This is why I don’t see how a God is useful in explaining things, because you cant use Science and Evidence. You have to become Philosophical which makes everything harder to understand, less appreciable and generally speaking..is not logical at all. Now when talking about the Big Bang..again, just because our words don’t necessarily make sense when we say “Something came from Nothing” doesn’t mean that we should cower and say “Must be a God." We are getting there, slowly..but surely.

If for now, you want to use a God to explain things..thats fine. But in the process keep your mind open and look at life from different perspectives.

I meant...God is/was the big bang..Don’t we sort of already know what started that?



Well..I am not a physicist, far from.. but regardless, my very junior understanding leads me to this answer..that the Fermions interacted and combined from the rules set by Newtonian & Quantum Physics to create a Universe. Astrophysicists can view the Universe expanding, as well as the observation of low levels of microwaves throughout space (They believe the temperatures are around -270c and are from the high temperature radiation produced from the bang)..WE (as in you and me) can also view the elements around us. The Universe is made up of mostly Hydrogen and Helium by mass (the lightest elements) while the elements on earth that we are more familiar with like Oxygen and Carbon make up an extremely small trace of all the Universe.

I don’t know the theoretical calculations, but they have shown that the Universe had to come from a dense, very hot state in which it would have cooled and expanded quickly after..which I believe is the exact definition of what Physicists have predicted.

As for proving it 100%, you can’t prove anything 100% in science. But we are definitely getting closer and closer to the high 90% figurines when it comes to piecing the Universes Origins together.

All that information is a bit obsessive just to figure out where we came from. xD lol.. Too surreal ONCE it is 100%, I guess its interesting..

Just more things to mess with I guess? straight Great..

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Like Obsessive in a science goal I mean, seems a bit much.. What do we do with that '100%' knowledge of 'how' the universe is..?


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Lord lash wrote: Like Obsessive in a science goal I mean, seems a bit much.. What do we do with that '100%' knowledge of 'how' the universe is..?



Take it over.

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My guess is that god is either like this



Or this

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04-01-2013 03:54 PM
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Men are sinners and deserve nothing but death. What we’ve been given is God’s mercy.

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caus shes a god , she can do whatever the fuck she pleases !!!


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Sinner wrote: Men are sinners and deserve nothing but death. What we’ve been given is God’s mercy.



Your god sounds like an egomaniacal bigoted homophobic, sexist prick.

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Leviathan wrote:

Sinner wrote: Men are sinners and deserve nothing but death. What we’ve been given is God’s mercy.



Your god sounds like an egomaniacal bigoted homophobic, sexist prick.


Don’t forget grouchy.


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Hipstar wrote:

Leviathan wrote:

Sinner wrote: Men are sinners and deserve nothing but death. What we’ve been given is God’s mercy.



Your god sounds like an egomaniacal bigoted homophobic, sexist prick.


Don’t forget grouchy.



And grouchy.

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04-01-2013 04:41 PM
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Leviathan wrote:

Sinner wrote: Men are sinners and deserve nothing but death. What we’ve been given is God’s mercy.


Your god sounds like an egomaniacal bigoted homophobic, sexist prick.


So if you were judged to death by a King, but the King decided to exile you instead, would that make him an egomaniac? A bigoted homophobe? A sexist? No. It would make him merciful.

In fact. Your conclusion is nothing short of stupid. But this is the kind of “intelligence” you can expect from atheists these days.

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Sinner wrote:

Leviathan wrote:

Sinner wrote: Men are sinners and deserve nothing but death. What we’ve been given is God’s mercy.


Your god sounds like an egomaniacal bigoted homophobic, sexist prick.


So if you were judged to death by a King, but the King decided to exile you instead, would that make him an egomaniac? A bigoted homophobe? A sexist? No. It would make him merciful.


Yep. Sending you into a lake of fire for eternity because you don’t buy the story of him murdering his kid for you. The absolute soul of mercy. He calls gay people abominations and makes women subservient to their husbands. Definitely not sexist or homophobic.


In fact. Your conclusion is nothing short of stupid. But this is the kind of “intelligence” you can expect from atheists these days.


I just showed you why she’s not stupid, and proved your God’s an asshole. Care to offer a rebuttal?


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04-01-2013 04:52 PM
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See Hipstar, you believe that you’re entitled to not being sent into a lake of fire (which is figurative, and not literate) when in fact you deserve to be sent there. This is the problem.

God isn’t just merciful, he’s also righteous. And just like there’s nothing wrong with a judge who sentences a mass murderer to death, it’s nothing wrong with God sentencing you to suffer for all eternity.

The mercifulness comes through the belief of Jesus Christ. Which is God taking the blame for your crime, which he can do because of predestination, but he’s only willing to do so if you believe in him.

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Sinner wrote: See Hipstar, you believe that you’re entitled to not being sent into a lake of fire (which is figurative, and not literate) when in fact you deserve to be sent there. This is the problem.

God isn’t just merciful, he’s also righteous. And just like there’s nothing wrong with a judge who sentences a mass murderer to death, it’s nothing wrong with God sentencing you to suffer for all eternity.

The mercifulness comes through the belief of Jesus Christ. Which is God taking the blame for your crime, which he can do because of predestination, but he’s only willing to do so if you believe in him.


You’re trolling me, right? Existing =/= mass murdering, and eternity burning =/= quick and painless death.

In that second paragraph, what you just said was that God’s mercifulness is entirely dependent on belief in Jesus. Sucks to be the Jews, God’s chosen people, then. They’re burning just like everyone else who has committed the unforgivable sin of living. Also, predestination is the belief that you’re going to either heaven or hell, regardless of how you lived your life. You used it completely wrong in that sentence.


Sorry it took so long for me to reply.


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04-01-2013 06:55 PM
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You’re a sinner. God designed you in his image and you’ve tainted it, that’s the worst offense imaginable. You deserve nothing but death. Sinners are already deserving of death, and so by mass murdering sinners you’re not making yourself a worse person in God’s eyes.

You have to understand the difference between God’s values and human values.

Predestination is the belief that the future is already set and we’re living it.

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Sinner wrote:

Leviathan wrote:

Sinner wrote: Men are sinners and deserve nothing but death. What we’ve been given is God’s mercy.


Your god sounds like an egomaniacal bigoted homophobic, sexist prick.


So if you were judged to death by a King, but the King decided to exile you instead, would that make him an egomaniac? A bigoted homophobe? A sexist? No. It would make him merciful.

In fact. Your conclusion is nothing short of stupid. But this is the kind of “intelligence” you can expect from atheists these days.




Actually I’m not an atheist, Im spiritual, But an ant like you couldn’t really comprehend how that works.

In fact here are some bible wuotes that justify me. I dont know what religeon you are, but you clearley don’t worship a good god.


[God is Jealous]

The LORD is a jealous God, filled with vengeance and wrath. He takes revenge on all who oppose him and furiously destroys his enemies! The LORD is slow to get angry, but his power is great, and he never lets the guilty go unpunished. He displays his power in the whirlwind and the storm. The billowing clouds are the dust beneath his feet. At his command the oceans and rivers dry up, the lush pastures of Bashan and Carmel fade, and the green forests of Lebanon wilt. In his presence the mountains quake, and the hills melt away; the earth trembles, and its people are destroyed. Who can stand before his fierce anger? Who can survive his burning fury? His rage blazes forth like fire, and the mountains crumble to dust in his presence. The LORD is good. When trouble comes, he is a strong refuge. And he knows everyone who trusts in him. But he sweeps away his enemies in an overwhelming flood. He pursues his foes into the darkness of night. (Nahum 1:2-8 NLT

[Family Killed]

Then Zimri, who commanded half of the royal chariots, made plans to kill him. One day in Tirzah, Elah was getting drunk at the home of Arza, the supervisor of the palace. Zimri walked in and struck him down and killed him. This happened in the twenty-seventh year of King Asa’s reign in Judah. Then Zimri became the next king. Zimri immediately killed the entire royal family of Baasha, and he did not leave a single male child. He even destroyed distant relatives and friends. So Zimri destroyed the dynasty of Baasha as the LORD had promised through the prophet Jehu. This happened because of the sins of Baasha and his son Elah and because of all the sins they led Israel to commit, arousing the anger of the LORD, the God of Israel, with their idols. (1 Kings 16:9-13 NLT

Psalms 137:9 is the worst,
“How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones against the rock,"

In fact here is a youtube catelouging how much religion ruined his childhood

Edited 04-02-2013 01:48 PM by Demi
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Sinner wrote: You’re a sinner. God designed you in his image and you’ve tainted it, that’s the worst offense imaginable. You deserve nothing but death. Sinners are already deserving of death, and so by mass murdering sinners you’re not making yourself a worse person in God’s eyes.

You have to understand the difference between God’s values and human values.

Predestination is the belief that the future is already set and we’re living it.

Must be a terrorist.

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04-03-2013 09:44 AM
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R34L1TY wrote: You look into space from Earth and you see the beautiful stars at night (that have probably died), you’re in awe looking at a beautiful blossomed rose and so amazed at how incredibly amazing Humans are and how stupid other animals are..and maybe you think, “wow..this had to be created!“ HOLD ON.

Humans
Lets Examine Human life first (lets not even get into penis like vaginas in hyenas or wings on flightless birds or the femur and pelvis in whales or eyes in subterranean animals that are never exposed to light or why plants are green and not black as they would absorb more light &c.), if we breathe in these tasteless/odorless gases; CO4, CO2, CH4.. WE’RE DEAD. Most of the Oxygen we breathe..we breathe out :blink:? (also the notoriously inefficient enzyme RuBisCO), The pharynx (a passage used for both ingestion and respiration which lead to many of us choking every year), we lack the enzyme L-gulonolactone oxidase (Vitamin C production..which is found in the majority of living organisms). All the Cancers and Unknown Birth Defects (far too long to list), Vision loss (we are also blind to the majority of the Electromagnetic Spectrum..including Ionizing Radiation), We’re comatose for more than 40% of our lives, the orgasm in females is usually stimulated by the clitoris (which is not typically stimulated during direct intercourse) the malformation of the human spine, We have body parts that have no usage (quite a few to name but il just use Appendix and Molars as an example..other primates actually have the jaw structure to use the third row of molars while we do not), we have to eat constantly, we have skin that painfully burns when exposed to the Sun rays (A Sun that also blinds you when you look at it), Knee Joints that bend only one way, barely used muscles like the plantaris muscle of the foot, the temporary presence of a tail in human fetuses, The majority of our brain we can’t use (and forget the majority of what we learn), Laryngeal Nerve (which loops around the aortic arc) and the long neural pathway that takes photic information from the eyes to the pineal gland (but goes to the Thoracic Spinal Cord instead of just connecting the Paraventricular Nucleus to the Pineal Gland &c.);

[img]http://i47.tinypic.com/20r5i10.png[/img][img]http://i49.tinypic.com/alni84.png[/img]

Earth
It took more than 3.5billion years to create multicellular life, 99.999% of life that ever lived is Extinct, Tsunami’s, Volcanoes & Earthquakes that kill thousands upon thousands a year (recently the Tsunami in Japan that killed 20,000), we can’t live on 3/4 of the Earth, Uhmm..Tornadoes/Hurricanes/Lightning, Asteroides, Climate Shift, Pole shift hypothesis, Inner solar systems a shooting galaxy, sink holes.. we can starve or freeze on the majority of Earth &c.

[img]http://endtimesrevelations.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/natural-disasters4.jpg[/img]


Universe
Heat/ Cosmic Radiation/Cold (A giant Microwave Oven..so to speak) in the majority of the Universe (we cannot survive), Galaxy Orbits bring you near a Supernova (That will wipe out our Ozone layers and kill all), Star Formation is completely inefficient, Gamma Ray Bursts, that “beautiful shooting star” is really just a Meteoroid burning the Earths Atmosphere, Black Holes, Galactic Cannibalism (when a Galaxy Eats another Galaxy), A Vacuum Metastability Event (From my Junior Understanding of Quantum Physics; We may Exist in a false vaccuum state that in which has a an energy level too low for more than temporary maintenance. Any given moment it could call it quits and succumb to the added pressures and be replaced by energy levels much higher), One-way Universe will wind down to Oblivion & that the majority of orbits are unstable &c..



you’re complaining? life in this universe sucks? well, then i guess we should just abandon faith in god and replace him with science, after all science is marvelous! science taught us how to make metal and how to split the atom and--... wait a minute... did science help those poor people in Nagasaki and Hiroshima when they were being vaporized by Fat Man and Little Boy? oh dear... i guess not :( ... anyway, i guess it doesn’t matter because THERE IS NO GOD! there is no good and there is no evil. so it wasn’t an evil thing that those people died--and it wasn’t a good thing either. it was just... the life cycle... here on earth. an ordinary thing. happens with all animals. and that includes humans. we’re animals too! even though we’re the only ones who seem to philosophize, study literature, have religion(which is useless anyway, why evolution intended for us to come up with THAT is beyond me!), and what else? OH, yes, science! we’re the only species that study science. i love science! don’t you? with science we can solve ALL of our problems. like going to the moon! there’s nothing more exciting than spending BILLIONS of dollars on scientific endeavors like going to the moon which helped us... um... helped us... wait, how did it help us, again??? i can’t remember... but anyways, i’m sure it was for something important. more important than... i don’t know... feeding starving children in third world countries... yeah. science is awesome. but who am i kidding? if there’s anyone who knows more about science between me and you... it’s you :) you’re so smart or should i say intellectually superior to me that you’re vast knowledge of biology, anatomy, the cosmos, and hyenas penises literally just makes me look D.U.M.B. i’m serious! you should be proclaimed as the Einstein of the 21st century. like, for real! so please, here take this chalk of einstein and for the sake of the world, solve all of our problems using your vast and superior knowledge of the sciences! who needs god when we have you?
the second coming has arrived.

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We can not define gods creation in our words he created us for to us, saying this universe is 'ugly' or w/e is a total non-factor argument for any reason or opinion god has on it, like god thinks like a human using words like 'Atrocious', he doesn’t ..Imo.


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Leviathan wrote: My guess is that god is either like this



Or this

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