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Edgar.... wrote:

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Edgar.... wrote: God = Big bang = random shit(Life, space, matter, energy etc) its all random and nothing more, But obviously it was put into order, but with no reason but to repeat and start again.



Here is the problem with that.

First we need to figure out how the Big Bang happened, God? Okay..sure. But how did God happen?

By using this logic, you are making it MUCH harder than it has to be because you are adding in another factor (one in which I don’t think we are smart enough to even begin to understand).

This is why I don’t see how a God is useful in explaining things, because you cant use Science and Evidence. You have to become Philosophical which makes everything harder to understand, less appreciable and generally speaking..is not logical at all. Now when talking about the Big Bang..again, just because our words don’t necessarily make sense when we say “Something came from Nothing” doesn’t mean that we should cower and say “Must be a God." We are getting there, slowly..but surely.

If for now, you want to use a God to explain things..thats fine. But in the process keep your mind open and look at life from different perspectives.

I meant...God is/was the big bang..Don’t we sort of already know what started that?



Well..I am not a physicist, far from.. but regardless, my very junior understanding leads me to this answer..that the Fermions interacted and combined from the rules set by Newtonian & Quantum Physics to create a Universe. Astrophysicists can view the Universe expanding, as well as the observation of low levels of microwaves throughout space (They believe the temperatures are around -270c and are from the high temperature radiation produced from the bang)..WE (as in you and me) can also view the elements around us. The Universe is made up of mostly Hydrogen and Helium by mass (the lightest elements) while the elements on earth that we are more familiar with like Oxygen and Carbon make up an extremely small trace of all the Universe.

I don’t know the theoretical calculations, but they have shown that the Universe had to come from a dense, very hot state in which it would have cooled and expanded quickly after..which I believe is the exact definition of what Physicists have predicted.

As for proving it 100%, you can’t prove anything 100% in science. But we are definitely getting closer and closer to the high 90% figurines when it comes to piecing the Universes Origins together.


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superfreshbiltz. wrote:

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Suzunami Zanji wrote: Agnostic look on the whole God thing.



Put simply, yes.

I am putting forward information that a lot of people are just not aware of. A lot of people look at us and everything and think “wow..what a great job God did” but ..its just not true. It truly doesn’t make sense to be a creationist.

It also doesn’t make sense to not accept Evolution, because for not “accepting” you are just not understanding it or choose to live in ignorance. Its so active in everything we do and consume that its really quite silly to be appose to it.


Fixed it for you a little.
Evolution is a pretty solid theory, and does not require believe but date and facts that’s the beauty of science.



????

You’re kidding me?


Can you point out a obvious flaw in the Theory?

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You all do realize that Christians believe that God created the world perfect, but due to the fail of Adam and Eve, everything was ruined, right?


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Snap wrote: You all do realize that Christians believe that God created the world perfect, but due to the fail of Adam and Eve, everything was ruined, right?



You mean like the talking snake (snakes don’t even have a larynx, the biology of their mouths is completely wrong and they detect animals/prey through vibrations on the ground ..the snake was in a tree.

It is not possible that Adam and Eve created the entire body of civilization let alone creating a Woman out of a mans rib cage..

I hear a lot of people talk about how Biologists speak about Eve and Adam all the time.. but they are referring to the Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosome Adam..not the Bible rendition.

But yes Snap, I am aware of the fact that we are designed like idiots and its all because of that Apple loving Adam.


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Zack the Barbarian wrote: @superfreshbiltz,

If evolution was so full of shit that some dude on the internet could debunk it, it wouldn’t be universally considered fact amongst scientific communities and be taught in schools as fact.

Fact of the matter is, evolution makes a fuckton more sense than lol6000yearoldearth.

Just because you’re religious doesn’t mean you need to be stupid.



................ What?

Not that evolution relates to the creation of the universe (earth included), but I’ll bite.

What do you know about evolution? I’ll overlook the ad homs.

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You know, I think the title of the thread should be renamed to “Why would God make such an Atrocious World???".
Saying the Universe is atrocious isn’t fair when we barely have discovered less than 0.00000000001% of it. (<--- random number is random) tounge

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I think he made the world suck in order to make Heaven look more appealing in comparison. He wants us to want to enter his kingdom and be with him. However I think at the same time he wants to test our character by seeing how we respond to all the hardships brought by the world.


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Great thread.


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R2 Ulquiorra wrote: I think he made the world suck in order to make Heaven look more appealing in comparison. He wants us to want to enter his kingdom and be with him. However I think at the same time he wants to test our character by seeing how we respond to all the hardships brought by the world.



Well isn’t that just a barrel of fun?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEl9kVl6KPc

There you have it folks. The debunking of intelligent design for your viewing pleasure.

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R2 Ulquiorra wrote: I think he made the world suck in order to make Heaven look more appealing in comparison. He wants us to want to enter his kingdom and be with him. However I think at the same time he wants to test our character by seeing how we respond to all the hardships brought by the world.

All of that is just speculated BS. Nothing more than a random guess. Just like the very idea that an all powerful being created the universe.

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gojira4life wrote:

R2 Ulquiorra wrote: I think he made the world suck in order to make Heaven look more appealing in comparison. He wants us to want to enter his kingdom and be with him. However I think at the same time he wants to test our character by seeing how we respond to all the hardships brought by the world.



Well isn’t that just a barrel of fun?



Iknowrite! I wonder if he grants the Heaven dwellers there own universe to rule over and shape any way they want. That would be epic.


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gojira4life wrote: You know, I think the title of the thread should be renamed to “Why would God make such an Atrocious World???".
Saying the Universe is atrocious isn’t fair when we barely have discovered less than 0.00000000001% of it. (<--- random number is random) tounge



Yes but what we do know about the universe..is not pretty. Its beautiful but definitely not a garden of Eve.


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superfreshbiltz. wrote: Not that evolution relates to the creation of the universe (earth included), but I’ll bite.



I know it doesn’t relate to the actual creation of the universe.

My point was that most (if not all) Christians who don’t accept evolution are Young-Earth Creationists, who believe in that dirt & rib bit.

My problem with these types of people criticizing evolution, is that their alternative has absolutely no evidence, unlike evolution.

What do you know about evolution?



Are you asking if I’m an expert in evolution?

No, I’m not. I’m a 17-year-old high school student, not an evolutionary biologist.

But to answer your question; I know what the theory itself is, and I know of the evidence that points to it.

I never even said the theory was correct (but I do believe it to be). I’m merely pointing out that if it was so pants-on-head retarded as you’re implying, it wouldn’t be considered fact by scientific communities, and that frankly, it makes more sense than what Young-Earth Creationists purport to have happened.

I’ll overlook the ad homs.



There was absolutely no ad homs in that post.

Being blunt =/= Dedicating a post to nothing but insulting you.

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R2 Ulquiorra wrote:

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R2 Ulquiorra wrote: I think he made the world suck in order to make Heaven look more appealing in comparison. He wants us to want to enter his kingdom and be with him. However I think at the same time he wants to test our character by seeing how we respond to all the hardships brought by the world.



Well isn’t that just a barrel of fun?



Iknowrite! I wonder if he grants the Heaven dwellers there own universe to rule over and shape any way they want. That would be epic.



Would be epic beyond words

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There you have it folks. The debunking of intelligent design for your viewing pleasure.



Hmm. Not working? Is it Dr. Degrasses speach on Stupid Design?


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R34L1TY wrote:

gojira4life wrote: You know, I think the title of the thread should be renamed to “Why would God make such an Atrocious World???".
Saying the Universe is atrocious isn’t fair when we barely have discovered less than 0.00000000001% of it. (<--- random number is random) tounge



Yes but what we do know about the universe..is not pretty. Its beautiful but definitely not a garden of Eve.




fixed
and yeah that’s true but why I say the title should be changed.
At least the OP should add that this is about the already known universe.

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R2 Ulquiorra wrote: Iknowrite! I wonder if he grants the Heaven dwellers there own universe to rule over and shape any way they want. That would be epic.



What if then God was in fact a “Heaven dweller” to a previous God’s Heaven, and the universe he was given by that God is the one we live in now?

You’ve now got an infinite regression of Gods.

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superfreshbiltz. wrote: Not that evolution relates to the creation of the universe (earth included), but I’ll bite.



I know it doesn’t relate to the actual creation of the universe.

My point was that most (if not all) Christians who don’t accept evolution are Young-Earth Creationists, who believe in that dirt & rib bit.

My problem with these types of people criticizing evolution, is that their alternative has absolutely no evidence, unlike evolution.

What do you know about evolution?



Are you asking if I’m an expert in evolution?

No, I’m not. I’m a 17-year-old high school student, not an evolutionary biologist.

But to answer your question; I know what the theory itself is, and I know of the evidence that points to it.

I never even said the theory was correct (but I do believe it to be). I’m merely pointing out that if it was so pants-on-head retarded as you’re implying, it wouldn’t be considered fact by scientific communities, and that frankly, it makes more sense than what Young-Earth Creationists purport to have happened.

I’ll overlook the ad homs.



There was absolutely no ad homs in that post.

Being blunt =/= Dedicating a post to nothing but insulting you.



You do know that there are scientists who doubt macroevolution is a fact? And that some of them aren’t Christians or Theists? It’s not as black and white as you’re trying to paint it. Why? Because the origins of man wasn’t observed, and observation is quite important. So we start off making assumptions, which are usually shaky.

I didn’t imply it was pants-on-head retarded. It’s just the incredible amounts of mental gymnastics used in avoiding the fact that macroevolution has its holes and people don’t see it, is astounding. I even used to buy into it.

As for the young earth part, specific information (6000 years old) like that can’t be found in the Bible, so we don’t know. People have calculated the age, but it’s not all too reliable. They may not be right about the age, but they are right about the flaws of macroevolution.

This should be an interesting article to read: http://www.evolutionnews.org/2013/01/foraminifera_pe068391.html

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Zack the Barbarian wrote:

R2 Ulquiorra wrote: Iknowrite! I wonder if he grants the Heaven dwellers there own universe to rule over and shape any way they want. That would be epic.



What if then God was in fact a “Heaven dweller” to a previous God’s Heaven, and the universe he was given by that God is the one we live in now?

You’ve now got an infinite regression of Gods.

Isn’t that kinda what the Mormon’s believe?


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