Remember me
[Forgot password?] [Register]
[Login]
menu

"Who created God?"

<< First < Prev 1 2 [3] 4 5 Next > Last >>

[Reply] #41
05-13-2015 02:19 PM
Joined: 10-09-2011
Posts: 8,854
offline
B.J. Titty-Banger
B.J. Titty-Banger
The Mayor of Titty-City
Rep: 120

Stone Cold Loki wrote:

Butt Stallion wrote:

Stone Cold Loki wrote:

B.J. Titty-Banger wrote: Humans invented measurements and quantifications of time; not time itself.


Whose to say time isn’t just the consensus of those? Besides, the only way time is even significant is for scheduling and data recordings and such, all for which only humans can comprehend.


Unless you’re arguing that the idea of time created time itself, you’re not even arguing with him right now.


I’m just saying, people saying time is just “there” doesn’t really say anything about its absolute form. If time isn’t relative, then what is it, exactly?

thats like saying gravity doesn’t exist unless humans exist to experience it as a pulling force.


__________________

[Reply] #42
05-13-2015 02:23 PM
Joined: 10-09-2011
Posts: 8,854
offline
B.J. Titty-Banger
B.J. Titty-Banger
The Mayor of Titty-City
Rep: 120

In a way...Its the same view of the universe that leads to the belief a magical man outside of space and time who purposefully created a universe designed for human habitation + that our placement in it was the high-point of creation. An anthropocentric one that cannot accept our insignifigance in a godless, purposeless universe.


__________________

Edited 05-13-2015 02:25 PM by B.J. Titty-Banger
[Reply] #43
05-13-2015 02:23 PM
Joined: 02-19-2015
Posts: 2,543
offline
Thar
Thar
UBER 1337 Poster
Rep: 30

B.J. Titty-Banger wrote:

Stone Cold Loki wrote:

Butt Stallion wrote:

Stone Cold Loki wrote:

B.J. Titty-Banger wrote: Humans invented measurements and quantifications of time; not time itself.


Whose to say time isn’t just the consensus of those? Besides, the only way time is even significant is for scheduling and data recordings and such, all for which only humans can comprehend.


Unless you’re arguing that the idea of time created time itself, you’re not even arguing with him right now.


I’m just saying, people saying time is just “there” doesn’t really say anything about its absolute form. If time isn’t relative, then what is it, exactly?

thats like saying gravity doesn’t exist unless humans exist to experience it as a pulling force.


Well yes, but unless we experience it, there’s no other way we’ll know it’s an actual thing. I’m trying to explain myself the best I can, but it’s all just so confusing.


__________________

[Reply] #44
05-13-2015 02:24 PM
Grodd
Guest

B.J. Titty-Banger wrote: thats like saying gravity doesn’t exist unless humans exist to experience it as a pulling force.


It’s one of those philosophical questions like if a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it does it still make a sound?

[Reply] #45
05-13-2015 03:46 PM
Joined: 01-31-2008
Posts: 55,431
offline
Xehanort the Younger
Xehanort the Younger
Not the bald one
Rep: 344

B.J. Titty-Banger wrote: “when events happen, we tend to assume that a living thing caused it." http://theconversation.com/caveman-instincts-may-explain-our-belief-in-gods-and-ghosts-26945



This doesn’t exactly prove there is or isn’t a God. Those kinds of things don’t just develop for no reason even if you are to accept that it developed as such. If it is an instinct, a theist could easily explain that as a God given instinct and it would honestly make sense. If a God or gods exist then surely their presence and interaction if not just from the creation of man(whether you want to take the guided evolution approach or not it doesn’t matter) would be able to create such an instinct.

[Reply] #46
05-13-2015 04:00 PM
Naturally
Guest

Judicator wrote:

B.J. Titty-Banger wrote: “when events happen, we tend to assume that a living thing caused it." [url]http://theconversation.com/caveman-instincts-may-explain-our-belief-in-gods-and-ghosts-26945[/url]



This doesn’t exactly prove there is or isn’t a God. Those kinds of things don’t just develop for no reason even if you are to accept that it developed as such. If it is an instinct, a theist could easily explain that as a God given instinct and it would honestly make sense. If a God or gods exist then surely their presence and interaction if not just from the creation of man(whether you want to take the guided evolution approach or not it doesn’t matter) would be able to create such an instinct.


That’s why the link says it may explain, not that it will prove. The existence of God is unfalsifiable.

[Reply] #47
05-13-2015 04:04 PM
Joined: 01-03-2014
Posts: 9,825
offline
Nerise
Nerise
Legendary
Rep: 100

Humans in fear


__________________

[Reply] #48
05-13-2015 06:32 PM
Les Matadorss
Guest

Stone Cold Loki wrote:

B.J. Titty-Banger wrote:

Stone Cold Loki wrote:

Butt Stallion wrote:

Stone Cold Loki wrote:

B.J. Titty-Banger wrote: Humans invented measurements and quantifications of time; not time itself.


Whose to say time isn’t just the consensus of those? Besides, the only way time is even significant is for scheduling and data recordings and such, all for which only humans can comprehend.


Unless you’re arguing that the idea of time created time itself, you’re not even arguing with him right now.


I’m just saying, people saying time is just “there” doesn’t really say anything about its absolute form. If time isn’t relative, then what is it, exactly?

thats like saying gravity doesn’t exist unless humans exist to experience it as a pulling force.


Well yes, but unless we experience it, there’s no other way we’ll know it’s an actual thing. I’m trying to explain myself the best I can, but it’s all just so confusing.


You’re confused because you don’t understand what you’re talking about.

Gravity is there regardless if human interaction.

Time, like Shob already said and you seemed to have the same view, to an extent is human made; specific time (June, Monday, 10:00 pm). But regardless, there is a natural degradation of atoms and loss of energy, which is an indication that there is a state and b state, in the universe. Which is basically what time is.



Judicator wrote:

B.J. Titty-Banger wrote: “when events happen, we tend to assume that a living thing caused it." [url]http://theconversation.com/caveman-instincts-may-explain-our-belief-in-gods-and-ghosts-26945[/url]



This doesn’t exactly prove there is or isn’t a God. Those kinds of things don’t just develop for no reason even if you are to accept that it developed as such. If it is an instinct, a theist could easily explain that as a God given instinct and it would honestly make sense. If a God or gods exist then surely their presence and interaction if not just from the creation of man(whether you want to take the guided evolution approach or not it doesn’t matter) would be able to create such an instinct.


God of the gaps. That article (from the little a scanned) is suggesting that the human brain looks for causes. If there is b what’s before that? These are things which would help humans survive, thus a good quality to have.

But let’s look at your points:

1.)Evolutionary traits don’t just happened naturally.
2.) If it’s a instinct then (god) it can easily - without evidence - be attributed to theism.
3.) That instinct is created by God.

Let’s address further these points:
1.) I’m sorry but evolution does happen naturally. Whatever helps an organism adapt and thrive will naturally be added into the organism. Fyi, there is no need for god in the theory of evolution.

2.) Do I even need to comment? Let’s entertain the thought. If this is true then there is only one god. But which one? According to you--you argue the theist can claim that instinct. Which implies many gods, this defeats the purpose.
If there is only one god, then that calls out for a specific creed, but there are many gods, which means your hypothesis is flawed.
And if the instinct does call many creeds then the religious text cancel out this notion. Which means that the people who have this incorrect instinct don’t really have it, but then who does and how do you test it? The answer is that it is mist likely an erroneous hypothesis.

3.) Again, what god? And if he did create this instinct what was the purpose?
To let his creation know of him? Obviously not, why hide your presence when you want someone to know you’re there. And if he intentionally did commit this blunder, then it should have crossed its mind that it would be misinterpreted with anything and everything, thus it was of no use.

[Reply] #49
05-13-2015 06:35 PM
Joined: 01-09-2013
Posts: 14,109
offline
Ori
Ori
Hyperactive Vagabond
Rep: 107

Wtf this is still going on


__________________

[Reply] #50
05-13-2015 06:39 PM
Les Matadorss
Guest

Ori wrote: Wtf this is still going on


This thread was created today...so naturally.

[Reply] #51
05-13-2015 06:40 PM
Joined: 01-09-2013
Posts: 14,109
offline
Ori
Ori
Hyperactive Vagabond
Rep: 107

I thought I debunked this


__________________

[Reply] #52
05-13-2015 06:42 PM
Joined: 10-03-2012
Posts: 20,035
offline
Tomie
Tomie
Hi!
Rep: 127

The argument that the universe had an uncaused cause is not even a theistic argument. The universe was created, the difference is that theist believe it was created by God and Atheist and Scientist say it came from a singularity IIRC. Nobody with an I.Q. past rock level believes the universe was always there.


__________________

Alpha and Omega wrote:
Science is even bigger bullshit lol, they believe the big bang created everything from 2 atoms colliding together or some shit, they tried to do the same thing in 2008 spending 10 billion dollars doing it, but the risk was a very small black hole being made if failed, they failed and no black hole was created also.

[Reply] #53
05-13-2015 06:45 PM
Joined: 10-03-2012
Posts: 20,035
offline
Tomie
Tomie
Hi!
Rep: 127

B.J. Titty-Banger wrote: In a way...Its the same view of the universe that leads to the belief a magical man outside of space and time who purposefully created a universe designed for human habitation + that our placement in it was the high-point of creation. An anthropocentric one that cannot accept our insignifigance in a godless, purposeless universe.



Actually, this is incorrect. The existence of a God or Gods or whatever. Doesn’t automatically mean the universe is antropocentric. Because said Gods might not even care about humanity or deal with human affairs. Many ancient religions mankind was not really important.


__________________

Alpha and Omega wrote:
Science is even bigger bullshit lol, they believe the big bang created everything from 2 atoms colliding together or some shit, they tried to do the same thing in 2008 spending 10 billion dollars doing it, but the risk was a very small black hole being made if failed, they failed and no black hole was created also.

[Reply] #54
05-13-2015 06:56 PM
Joined: 07-26-2014
Posts: 2,470
offline
Xennotraun
Xennotraun
UBER 1337 Poster
Rep: 23

Ori wrote: Wtf this is still going on


Honestly. There’s already a thread for this.


__________________

[Reply] #55
05-13-2015 07:06 PM
Les Matadorss
Guest

Tomie wrote: The argument that the universe had an uncaused cause is not even a theistic argument. The universe was created, the difference is that theist believe it was created by God and Atheist and Scientist say it came from a singularity IIRC. Nobody with an I.Q. past rock level believes the universe was always there.


One relies on deductions, the other on buffoonery.

The question of what was before the universe, right now, a nonsensical question. Nobody knows.

[Reply] #56
05-13-2015 07:07 PM
Joined: 01-31-2008
Posts: 55,431
offline
Xehanort the Younger
Xehanort the Younger
Not the bald one
Rep: 344

Les Matadorss wrote:
God of the gaps. That article (from the little a scanned) is suggesting that the human brain looks for causes. If there is b what’s before that? These are things which would help humans survive, thus a good quality to have.



It isn’t the God of the Gaps though. I’m simply saying that even if there is an instinct like this, it doesn’t say anything about whether a God exists or not. I am not saying that “Because we don’t know where it came from a God did it”. Just that a God existing would also account for why it’s there too and the instinct existing is not evidence against him. It’s neutral to theism and atheism..



1.)Evolutionary traits don’t just happened naturally.


I never once said this and I have no idea how you could have even interpreted out of anything I said.

2.) If it’s a instinct then (god) it can easily - without evidence - be attributed to theism.



It could have been created or inspired by a God. Or even alien life forms who seem like gods. I’m not saying this is what happened. Again, I’m saying The instinct existing does not point in any direction on the existence of God

3.) That instinct is created by God.


It could have been. The instinct being there says nothing of his or their existence. The bolded is literally my entire point of the first post.

Since you couldn’t get my points right, I’m not going to bother reading the rest of your post since it has nothing to do with what I said.

[Reply] #57
05-13-2015 07:10 PM
Joined: 10-03-2012
Posts: 20,035
offline
Tomie
Tomie
Hi!
Rep: 127

Les Matadorss wrote:
The question of what was before the universe, right now, a nonsensical question. Nobody knows.



It’s not a nonsensical question. It’s actually a very important one.


__________________

Alpha and Omega wrote:
Science is even bigger bullshit lol, they believe the big bang created everything from 2 atoms colliding together or some shit, they tried to do the same thing in 2008 spending 10 billion dollars doing it, but the risk was a very small black hole being made if failed, they failed and no black hole was created also.

[Reply] #58
05-13-2015 07:30 PM
Joined: 04-01-2007
Posts: 20,050
offline
-Tyreaus-
-Tyreaus-
|[The Author]|
Rep: 182

Tomie wrote:

Les Matadorss wrote:
The question of what was before the universe, right now, a nonsensical question. Nobody knows.



It’s not a nonsensical question. It’s actually a very important one.



The better question, which precedes that one, is: does something need to be before the universe? Big Bang cosmology puts the entire universe into a singularity at the onset. There’s nothing inherently saying that the energy contained within said singularity couldn’t have always been around. On the contrary, conservation of energy would point toward that very thing.


__________________

The Golden Serpent

[Reply] #59
05-13-2015 07:31 PM
okay but
Guest

-Tyreaus- wrote:

Tomie wrote:

Les Matadorss wrote:
The question of what was before the universe, right now, a nonsensical question. Nobody knows.



It’s not a nonsensical question. It’s actually a very important one.



The better question, which precedes that one, is: does something need to be before the universe? Big Bang cosmology puts the entire universe into a singularity at the onset. There’s nothing inherently saying that the energy contained within said singularity couldn’t have always been around. On the contrary, conservation of energy would point toward that very thing.

Are you autistic?

[Reply] #60
05-13-2015 07:33 PM
Joined: 10-23-2014
Posts: 2,067
offline
P408370R
P408370R
UBER 1337 Poster
Rep: 28

Please refrain from attacking other people in the Religion subforum, especially if you are not contributing to the discussion.

Thank you. ^^


__________________

Edited 05-13-2015 07:35 PM by P408370R

<< First < Prev 1 2 [3] 4 5 Next > Last >>

New Reply
Name (guest):

For faster posting and no restrictions: [Login] [Register]

Message:


 
 

[More Options] [New Topic]
Moderated by: Phobetius, Zeroextra, - FS -, Admins, Superusers [All moderators]
The Lounge Forums ©Silicon.dk ApS 2012 - Privacy Policy - Disclaimer - FAQ - Contact