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05-03-2016 10:34 PM
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What are they abs how would you go around them?
For example, the most well known paradox is:
Can an omnipotent create a bolder so heavy he can’t lift?

The paradox is simple, an omnipotent by definition can do anything, but can he not do anything,which is a contradiction to the definition of omnipotent?

So how would we go about creating a rational explanation as to how he can do both without contradiction?

Would this be an acceptable solution: An omnipotent by lifting and not lifting the bolder at the same time, can create something it cannot accomplish while accomplishing it.

It sounds like I basically said the same thing, but I’m basing the explanation on quantum theory. Where light can be a particle and a wave.


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the stupid answer^

Macho wrote: Would this be an acceptable solution: An omnipotent by lifting and not lifting the bolder at the same time, can create something it cannot accomplish while accomplishing it.


the question can be changed to “to lift it without not not lifting it”

Edited 05-04-2016 12:30 PM by LT
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I think I deserve some credit for this.
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Macho wrote: What are they and how would you go around them?
For example, the most well known paradox is:
Can an omnipotent create a bolder so heavy he can’t lift?

The paradox is simple, an omnipotent by definition can do anything, but can he not do anything,which is a contradiction to the definition of omnipotent?

So how would we go about creating a rational explanation as to how he can do both without contradiction?

Would this be an acceptable solution: An omnipotent by lifting and not lifting the boulder at the same time, can create something it cannot accomplish while accomplishing it.

It sounds like I basically said the same thing, but I’m basing the explanation on quantum theory. Where light can be a particle and a wave.


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LT wrote: the stupid answer^

Macho wrote: Would this be an acceptable solution: An omnipotent by lifting and not lifting the bolder at the same time, can create something it cannot accomplish while accomplishing it.


the question can be changed to “to lift it without not not lifting it”


That takes away the fun in solving a paradox, which is basically a riddle.
That’s not not redundant.


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05-15-2016 04:15 PM
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Asking if a god can create an unmovable object is like asking if a god can make a round square or a triangle with 4 sides you absolute moron.

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Mataderp is ASS wrote: Asking if a god can create an unmovable object is like asking if a god can make a round square or a triangle with 4 sides you absolute moron.


Upu, I already addressed this. I find no interest in simple/lazy answers.


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Macho wrote:

Mataderp is ASS wrote: Asking if a god can create an unmovable object is like asking if a god can make a round square or a triangle with 4 sides you absolute moron.


Upu, I already addressed this. I find no interest in simple/lazy answers.


It’s not a simple answer you dumbass. What’s more even is that it’s not an answer either. It means that you can’t create something that goes against its own fundamental nature. You can’t make 1 + 1 = 3. You can’t make a rectangle with only 3 lines. The bottom line is that there is no paradox because creating a completely stationary object goes against the nature of matter, which means that the existence of such an object goes against its very nature.

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Upupupu.... wrote:

Macho wrote:

Mataderp is ASS wrote: Asking if a god can create an unmovable object is like asking if a god can make a round square or a triangle with 4 sides you absolute moron.


Upu, I already addressed this. I find no interest in simple/lazy answers.


It’s not a simple answer you dumbass. What’s more even is that it’s not an answer either. It means that you can’t create something that goes against its own fundamental nature. You can’t make 1 + 1 = 3. You can’t make a rectangle with only 3 lines. The bottom line is that there is no paradox because creating a completely stationary object goes against the nature of matter, which means that the existence of such an object goes against its very nature.


How stupid can you be?
1.) You don’t see it as a simple answer because you’re a simple minded guy.
2.) I asked for an answer, if you have nothing to contribute then get out, it’s that simple.
3.) Did you not understand the paradox, or what a paradox means?
4.) Get out.


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05-15-2016 11:25 PM
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I can’t believe how little reading comprehension you have, but it’s the only explanation of how literally everything I said went completely over your head.

I’ll try to put this as simple as possible, for your feeble mind to comprehend. I’m saying that the paradox DOES NOT EXIST, because omnipotence isn’t capable of making utter nonsense a reality. And I used examples and reasoning to support that argument.

Anyway I’m done arguing with you, since arguing with a brick wall would be a more productive use of my time you primitive little amoeba

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05-15-2016 11:33 PM
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" I cant believe how little reading comprehension you have,"

I give up, there’s no hope for you.

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05-16-2016 12:39 AM
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I can’t believe how little your reading comprehension ability is. There, happy now? You actually found a grammatical error this time, but it’s not like it matters, since guests can’t edit their posts.

But once again, semantics. Guess that means you don’t have any decent rebuttal, because you’re an incompetent moron.

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Burst wrote:



The funny thing is this is a basic solution to the paradox that atheists tend to ignore. Granted many theists would go with a more complex solution.

The idea that God’s omnipotence includes power over logic is not unheard of and several thinkers have held such views throughout history. So saying that “yes God can create such a stone, can exist and not exist at the same time, can make 1+1=5, etc..." IS NOT necessarily an unsound argument so long as one holds to the above meaning of omnipotence.

But again atheists tend to get unreasonably angry when such a response is given.

Edited 05-16-2016 05:27 AM by Ricdog
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05-16-2016 08:16 PM
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Ricdog wrote:

The funny thing is this is a basic solution to the paradox that atheists tend to ignore. Granted many theists would go with a more complex solution.

The idea that God’s omnipotence includes power over logic is not unheard of and several thinkers have held such views throughout history. So saying that “yes God can create such a stone, can exist and not exist at the same time, can make 1+1=5, etc..." IS NOT necessarily an unsound argument so long as one holds to the above meaning of omnipotence.

But again atheists tend to get unreasonably angry when such a response is given.


Okay, I’ll amuse you. Off-topic: If such a god exits why would he matter? And why did he create a universe based on logic, instead of nonsense?


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Macho wrote:
Okay, I’ll amuse you. Off-topic: If such a god exits why would he matter? And why did he create a universe based on logic, instead of nonsense?



uhhh... duuhhh. Because God is a God not of disorder but of peace.(1 Cor. 14:33).


Why would God want to be a god of nonsense anyways?(Rhetorical).

Would you rather be in a class with a teacher full of nonsense or a teacher full of logic?

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06-18-2016 02:24 PM
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For one to be incapable of realising the flaw with this question would mean that their perception of omnipotence is consequently flawed.

If such a task existed that God itself was incapable of accomplishing; it would mean that God is not omnipotent. But since such a boulder does not exist...God is omnipotent. This question delves one into the realm of theory or 'what if'. But this question cannot be taken seriously as it is a paradox.

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06-18-2016 03:09 PM
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Omnipotence is a concept that logically can not exist. It’s a no limit fallacy first of all, and God isn’t real.

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