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Let's have a mature discussion about the possible existence of an omnipotent creator deity

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[Reply] #61
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Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him god?
-Epicurus

This pretty much sums up my views on the matter. He either doesn’t live up to the hype, or is a cunt, or isn’t there.

I don’t think it’s entirely impossible, afterall, we don’t know everything. But improbable? Definitely, at least in the form we generally discuss. I doubt there is an all-powerful creator, or an all-knowing one. And I highly doubt there is a benevolent one. And I don’t think there is an afterlife to be had. If anything, there might be a being, or multiple ones, who have skills far beyond us, who for shits and giggles build big things, or used to. That’s it. But, considering some of the theories now coming out regarding the multiverse, and wormholes, black holes, and white holes...I think it’s far more likely that we are indeed an accident. I know that bothers some people who like to think they are special, but sorry sunshine, we ain’t shit.


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03-11-2015 09:29 PM
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I always wonder to the extent to which the bible will be reinterpreted and reinterpreted from its original nearly complete literal interpretation to increasingly metaphorical interpretations until the majority classifies it as myth. I also wonder if such idiocy would repeat and spark a new religion, or perhaps end the need.


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I think it’s possible, although I don’t really believe in a god existing. I consider myself Agnostic, though in all honesty, I lean more toward atheism. Though, if the Christian god existed...
Well fuck. Heaven lasting for eternity just really doesn’t stick with me, and that’s the better option aside from Hell.


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03-12-2015 08:16 PM
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B.J. Titty-Banger wrote: By the accounting of biblical theists, he can do anything. And use to perform overwhelmingly apparent acts of divine intervention on a routine basis; making the earth stand still so that his favored armies could have more daylight to conquer cities and the like. Isn’t it odd that he stopped doing those things right around the time that humans invented cameras?



Witnessing a miracle does not guarantee devotion to God, come to think of it.

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Phobophage wrote: Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him god?
-Epicurus

This pretty much sums up my views on the matter. He either doesn’t live up to the hype, or is a cunt, or isn’t there.

I don’t think it’s entirely impossible, afterall, we don’t know everything. But improbable? Definitely, at least in the form we generally discuss. I doubt there is an all-powerful creator, or an all-knowing one. And I highly doubt there is a benevolent one. And I don’t think there is an afterlife to be had. If anything, there might be a being, or multiple ones, who have skills far beyond us, who for shits and giggles build big things, or used to. That’s it. But, considering some of the theories now coming out regarding the multiverse, and wormholes, black holes, and white holes...I think it’s far more likely that we are indeed an accident. I know that bothers some people who like to think they are special, but sorry sunshine, we ain’t shit.


I can agree to this. I find it rather ironic that people of Abrahamic religions make a big deal out of us humans, that we are special, yet then bash the entire species and its accomplishments down in the praise of God. For you who are religious, do you think an event is a result of natural process combined with God’s will, that God doesn’t interfere with us on a daily basis and leaves it up to the laws governing natural, or that it is all simply God, and that the laws are irrelevant, incorrect, and able to be openly defied and are constantly defied on a daily basis? Do you think there are things that have absolutely no basis in natural origin, perhaps a rolling of dice, and that God is fully able to change/altar/deviate it from its original course, if say, it was going to land on a 6? Even in full defiance of the laws of physics?


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I think there is a God, but its just not as simple as bad things happen and he does nothing. Lets not forget the good in the world if there weren’t there wouldn’t be a world to begin with. So I believe what ever may happen the good out weighs the bad by alot. Even to experience it for the time we have is a blessing.

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Well since an omnipotent being can exist even if it doesn’t exist the answer is obvious, even if there’s no such thing as omnipotence doesn’t matter it can exist anyway because it can do anything, even not exist while continuing to exist. In fact, it can even exist against it’s own will for the very reason I said so with no logic involved just because I said so right now so I just created god.


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Moving to next Area wrote:

-Tyreaus- wrote: First, define “omnipotence”.

Second, within that framework of omnipotence, on what basis can you prescribe a probability to its existence?



Ty? When did you get back into the Admin Business shocked?

OT: Humans cannot comprehend Omnipotence, it is too big a concept for our small minds to understand. Meaning we should not attempt to discuss it as it will get us nowhere tounge.

Ironically, it is a term invented by humans. Therefore, a fiction

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Edited 04-26-2015 02:36 PM by B.J. Titty-Banger
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Quite strange that new thread got a bit more attention than this one.


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05-20-2015 09:19 PM
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B.J. Titty-Banger wrote: [img]http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/01/71/5d/01715d4e89d513dd1333665be9a5d1d1.jpg[/img]


Define a cup.

The moment you do I’ve disprove your argument.

Same does not apply when I define God.

#BasicLogic

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Twitter wrote:

B.J. Titty-Banger wrote:


Define a cup.

The moment you do I’ve disprove your argument.

Same does not apply when I define God.

#BasicLogic


What’re you talking about, disproving the argument? It’s right there! You must be blind to the infinite grace of the Red Cup.

Edited 05-20-2015 09:24 PM by OrganizationXV
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B.J. Titty-Banger wrote:

Awful comparison.


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Phobophage wrote: Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him god?
-Epicurus

This pretty much sums up my views on the matter. He either doesn’t live up to the hype, or is a cunt, or isn’t there.

I don’t think it’s entirely impossible, afterall, we don’t know everything. But improbable? Definitely, at least in the form we generally discuss. I doubt there is an all-powerful creator, or an all-knowing one. And I highly doubt there is a benevolent one. And I don’t think there is an afterlife to be had. If anything, there might be a being, or multiple ones, who have skills far beyond us, who for shits and giggles build big things, or used to. That’s it. But, considering some of the theories now coming out regarding the multiverse, and wormholes, black holes, and white holes...I think it’s far more likely that we are indeed an accident. I know that bothers some people who like to think they are special, but sorry sunshine, we ain’t shit.



I often think about this but my view on the matter is that we were created to have our own thoughts and be free to make decisions whether they be good or bad. If God stepped in to stop every issue before it occurred and did not allow evil to exist then he would go against what he intended to create in creatures that have their own conscious. It is neither that he doesn’t have the power or isn’t willing but that he do his best to guide those who seek guidance but allow those who don’t to run wild and free. If I’m not making sense I’ll sum it up, we aren’t drones who think one way with deviants to the system being destroyed. We are people who have the ability to manipulate the world around us whether it be for better or worse.


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06-13-2015 04:04 PM
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I find the unlikely odds of God’s existence to be equal to the sheer inevitability of life in the Universe (life is statistically inevitable, despite the very low chance of it). Ergo, God has an infinitesimal chance of existing; not quite impossible (technically he is either Certain or impossible, but is unknown), not quite improbable.


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Any opposition?


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Phobophage wrote: Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him god?
-Epicurus
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http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/suffer.html
I’m sure Epicurus could come up with something better than that dribble

Edited 07-21-2015 12:17 AM by Its Over
[Reply] #78
03-03-2019 02:19 PM
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If God does not exist in your mind then perhaps he does not exist all.
But he is alive in mine.

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