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Green_Ninja wrote:

anti-moviecodec. wrote:

Zucas wrote:

bugsbunny wrote: its actually pretty obvious he is real.



Actually there is no proof whatsoever to support any superior being out there in the world that created this world. Its better you simply stick to faith than proving it real.


Well, It’s more believable that there is a God that created this world other than some science theory. If it was science. It would be one hell of a coincidence that it also happened to create everything we need to live off of.



Evolution.


Can evolution not be a means to an end, or a device used by God to further a creation that he loves? And it is impossible to prove his existence; as it is also impossible to prove the existence of the tooth fairy, yet we encourage our children to have faith and we ourselves have faith that these things are true and it is much harder to have faith in something incomprehensible than to believe in something that will give you copious amounts of inconsequential drivle and still try to ingrain you that everything they say is truth also *cough-science-cough*. Believe in what you believe and know that you are righteous in your own beliefs without condemning others because they don’t have the same beliefs as you! These petty quarrels are the reason for “holy wars”, in which the innocent bleed beside the guilty... force-feeding someone your faith is not the way to make a point.

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Um... the Qur’an said the Earth is fixed and does not move. I didn’t find anything on that website that could explain that.
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While referring to the Sun and the Moon in the Qur’an, it is emphasized that each moves in a definite orbit.

“It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They swim along, each in an orbit. " (The Qur’an, 21:33)

It is mentioned in another verse, too, that the Sun is not static but moves in a definite orbit:

“And the sun runs to its resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing. " (The Qur’an, 36:38)

These facts communicated in the Qur’an have been discovered by astronomical observations in our age. According to the calculations of experts on astronomy, the Sun is traveling at the enormous speed of 720,000 kilometers an hour in the direction of the star Vega in a particular orbit called the Solar Apex. This means that the sun travels roughly 17,280,000 kilometers a day. Along with the Sun, and all planets and satellites within the gravitational system of the Sun also travel the same distance. In addition, all the stars in the universe are in a similar planned motion.

Like many other comets in the universe, Halley’s comet, seen above, also moves in a planned orbit. It has a specific orbit and it moves in this orbit in a perfect harmony with other celestial bodies.
That the entire universe is full of paths and orbits such as this one, is written in the Qur’an as follows:

“By the sky full of paths and orbits." (The Qur’an, 51:7)

I found this in this website...

http://www.creationofuniverse.com/html/science_04.html

you may go and read it and you may go and read Qur’an...

actually this debate I dont mean I want you to enter Islam or whatever... you may go to your heart and what you believe and it doesnt mean that we are enemy... I just want to show the proof of Qur’an...

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Can evolution not be a means to an end, or a device used by God to further a creation that he loves? And it is impossible to prove his existence; as it is also impossible to prove the existence of the tooth fairy, yet we encourage our children to have faith and we ourselves have faith that these things are true and it is much harder to have faith in something incomprehensible than to believe in something that will give you copious amounts of inconsequential drivle and still try to ingrain you that everything they say is truth also *cough-science-cough*. Believe in what you believe and know that you are righteous in your own beliefs without condemning others because they don’t have the same beliefs as you! These petty quarrels are the reason for “holy wars”, in which the innocent bleed beside the guilty... force-feeding someone your faith is not the way to make a point.
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You mean Salahuddin Al Ayubi...??? He never kill the inocenct people...

Oh btw... We will never see 4JJI while we still alive but we can see His Al Mighty and His Existance by all the His creations...


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Itachi Uchiha wrote: Um... the Qur’an said the Earth is fixed and does not move. I didn’t find anything on that website that could explain that.
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While referring to the Sun and the Moon in the Qur’an, it is emphasized that each moves in a definite orbit.

“It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They swim along, each in an orbit. " (The Qur’an, 21:33)

It is mentioned in another verse, too, that the Sun is not static but moves in a definite orbit:

“And the sun runs to its resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing. " (The Qur’an, 36:38)

These facts communicated in the Qur’an have been discovered by astronomical observations in our age. According to the calculations of experts on astronomy, the Sun is traveling at the enormous speed of 720,000 kilometers an hour in the direction of the star Vega in a particular orbit called the Solar Apex. This means that the sun travels roughly 17,280,000 kilometers a day. Along with the Sun, and all planets and satellites within the gravitational system of the Sun also travel the same distance. In addition, all the stars in the universe are in a similar planned motion.

Like many other comets in the universe, Halley’s comet, seen above, also moves in a planned orbit. It has a specific orbit and it moves in this orbit in a perfect harmony with other celestial bodies.
That the entire universe is full of paths and orbits such as this one, is written in the Qur’an as follows:

“By the sky full of paths and orbits." (The Qur’an, 51:7)

I found this in this website...

http://www.creationofuniverse.com/html/science_04.html

you may go and read it and you may go and read Qur’an...

actually this debate I dont mean I want you to enter Islam or whatever... you may go to your heart and what you believe and it doesnt mean that we are enemy... I just want to show the proof of Qur’an...

smiley



Yes, I know the Sun does move but I was talking about the Qur’an saying the Earth was fixed, not the Sun.

Also I’d just like to point out that the reason the Qur’an has fewer scientific inaccuracies than the Bible is because it was written in a later time when our focus on scientific knowledge was greater. I don’t know when the Qur’an was written, but the author(s) definitely used more knowledge in science than faith.


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11-27-2007 07:17 AM
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They swim along, each in an orbit. " (The Qur’an, 21:33)

The reason why Qur’am has fewer science coz Qur’an provide us based of science and become the mother of science if i’m not mistaking to spelling it...

“By the sky full of paths and orbits." (The Qur’an, 51:7)

Sky with all its objects has paths and orbits...


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I don’t know when the Qur’an was written, but the author(s) definitely used more knowledge in science than faith.
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At Khalifah Utsman bin Affan...

That was 1400 years ago in the desert and isolated places... and only a few of them can read and write...
You can imagine to people that less knowledge about everything can create such book and also I have one more thing Hadist that is... well this one goes not changes too but there is hadist dhaif and shahih... this would be long to talk about...

Let say people wont be able create book like Qur’an... But Prophet Muhammad SAW can create that IF you still not believe that He is the last messenger... Coz 4JJI create Qur’an and at Khalifah Utsman bi Affan they create it to books...

The lesson to study Qur’an and the history all prophet like Jesus=Isa is Tarikh... but Qur’an has more discipline like Tajwid and other things too like Tafsir...

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Btw, Qur’an have faith too like heaven and hell...
Qur’an do balance about sciences, rules and about faith...


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THE ROUNDNESS OF THE EARTH

“He has created the Heavens and the Earth for Truth. He wraps the night up in the day, and wraps the day up in the night." (The Qur’an, 39:5)

In the Qur’an, the words used for describing the universe are quite remarkable. The Arabic word that is translated as “to wrap” in the above verse is “takwir”. In English, it means “to make one thing lap over another, folded up as a garment that is laid away”. (For instance, in Arabic dictionaries this word is used for the action of wrapping one thing around another, in the way that a turban is put on.)

The information given in the verse about the day and the night wrapping each other up includes accurate information about the shape of the world. This can be true only if the earth is round. This means that in the Qur’an, which was revealed in the 7th century, the roundness of the world was hinted at.

It should be remembered, however, that the understanding of astronomy of the time perceived the world differently. It was then thought that the world was a flat plane and all scientific calculations and explanations were based on this belief. The verses of the Qur’an, however, include information that we have learned only in the past century. Since the Qur’an is God’s word, the most correct words were used in it when it comes to describing the universe.

This is what Galileo and Copernicus gives their lifes for sciences in the hand of church... Islam never did that for sciences but for faith like someone think that he/she is a new prophet after Prophet Muhammad SAW... then they will kill you or they will abandon you to isolated places... if you speaking a new prophet that is yes but if you speaking about new prophet for new religion.. then that is fine... you will never get killed for that...


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The verse 11 of Sura Tarik in the Qur’an, refers to the “returning” function of the sky.

“By Heaven with its cyclical systems." (The Qur’an, 86:11)

This word interpreted as “cyclical” in Qur’an translations also has meanings of “sending back” or “returning”.

As known, the atmosphere surrounding the Earth consists of many layers. Each layer serves an important purpose for the benefit of life. Research has revealed that these layers have the function of turning the materials or rays they are exposed to back into space or back down to the Earth. Now let us examine with a few examples of this “recycling” function of the layers encircling the Earth.

The troposphere, 13 to 15 kilometers above the Earth, enables water vapor rising from the surface of the Earth to be condensed and turn back as rain.

The ozone layer, at an altitude of 25 kilometers, reflects harmful radiation and ultraviolet light coming from space and turns both back into space.

The ionosphere, reflects radio waves broadcast from the Earth back down to different parts of the world, just like a passive communications satellite, and thus makes wireless communication, radio, and television broadcasting possible over long distances.

The magnetosphere layer turns the harmful radioactive particles emitted by the Sun and other stars back into space before they reach the Earth.

The fact that this property of the atmosphere’s layers, that was onlt demonstrated in the recent past was announced centuries ago in the Qur’an, once again demonstrates that the Qur’an is the word of God.


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You’re reading far, far too much into very vague pieces of text.


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If you still think I’m wrong why dont you join to these events, Harun Yahya doing like pers conferences

In UK and Scotland


HARUN YAHYA CONFERENCES
IN UK AND SCOTLAND


We are happy to announce that there will be series of conferences based on Harun Yahya works, in UK and Scotland between 24 November - 6 December.


November 24-25
Islam Channel
Peace and Unity event (London)
Topic: “The Atlas of Creation: A Nightmare For Darwinism”
Scientific refutation of darwinism through fossil record and paleontology




November 26
IPCI
434 Coventry Road, Small Heath
Birmingham, West Midlands B10 0UG
Tel. 121 773 0137
FOSSIL EXHIBITION




November 27, 6:30 pm
Warwick University
Venue: L4, Warwick University, Coventry CV4 7A
TOPIC: Islam Denounces Terrorism
Organized by FOSIS




November 28, 4 pm
Bradford Univ.
Venue: E59 Richmond Building, University of Bradford, Great Horton Road, Bradford, BD7 1DP
TOPIC: Science vs Religion: From an Islamic Perspective
Organized by FOSIS




November 29
Nottingham University, 6:30-7:30 pm
Venue: C11 Portland Building, University Campuse, Nottingham, NG7 2RD
Topic: “The Atlas of Creation: A Nightmare For Darwinism”
Scientific refutation of darwinism through fossil record and paleontology
Organized by FOSIS




November 30, 4:00-6:00 pm
Greenwich university, London
Venue: Greenwich University, Maritime campus, Greenwich, London, SE10 9LS
Topic: Qur’an - the way to Science
Organized by FOSIS




December 1
London Muslim Centre, East London
46 Whitechapel Rd, London, E1 1JX, UK
Tel. 020-76503000
Topics:
Creation of the Universe
Quran Leads the Way to Science




December 2
Time: 3.30 pm Arrival / 4:00 pm – Maghrib prayer
4:15 pm – Today’s Science and Evolution Theory
Venue: The Quad (Youth Centre) - Green Wrythe Lane, Carshalton Surrey, SM5 1JW
Topic: Today’s Science and Theory of Evolution
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December 3, 6 pm
Imperial College London
Clore Lecture Theatre
Huxley Building
South Kensington Campus, London SW7 2AZ
Topic: “The Atlas of Creation: A Nightmare For Darwinism”
Scientific refutation of darwinism through fossil record and paleontology




December 6, 5.15pm
King’s College London
Guy’s Campus, New Hunts House
Lecture Theatre 1
Strand, London WC2R 2LS
TOPIC: Collapse of Evolution theory
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Two conferences by ALKHAIR FOUNDATION
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in Glasgow on DECEMBER 9th

For details please contact ALKHAIR FOUNDATION at
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You may ask him anything if you still not done or still think that my explanation not good enough for you


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God is real

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ramunematt wrote:

Cid wrote:

fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote: Except when they were neanderthals.







<3



My ancestors go back to Adam and Eve, the first man and woman. They weren’t Neanderthals. wink



Tell me, what do you think sounds more believable: that our ancestors were apes which evolved over millions of years, or a man made out of dirt and a women from that man’s rib getting tricked my a talking snake?




alright evolution believe that we came from a rock, and it rained for “millions of year”. Christians believe a few thousand years ago God made everything.

yeah i know which one i believe.....also if evolution is true, it teaches this earth was made by a big band right? then how did earth get its plants and nutrients? why is earth the only planet we know of that has an atmosphere we can live in, water, oxygen and trees?

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bugsbunny wrote:

ramunematt wrote:

Cid wrote:

fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote: Except when they were neanderthals.







<3



My ancestors go back to Adam and Eve, the first man and woman. They weren’t Neanderthals. wink



Tell me, what do you think sounds more believable: that our ancestors were apes which evolved over millions of years, or a man made out of dirt and a women from that man’s rib getting tricked my a talking snake?




alright evolution believe that we came from a rock, and it rained for “millions of year”. Christians believe a few thousand years ago God made everything.

yeah i know which one i believe.....also if evolution is true, it teaches this earth was made by a big band right? then how did earth get its plants and nutrients? why is earth the only planet we know of that has an atmosphere we can live in, water, oxygen and trees?



All easily explained by modern science, you’re just too stupid to realise.

Itachi Uchiha wrote: If you still think I’m wrong why dont you join to these events, Harun Yahya doing like pers conferences


You may ask him anything if you still not done or still think that my explanation not good enough for you



So what? The BNP hold just as many events; doesn’t make their opinions any more valid.

Your explainations aren’t good enough because they are baseless, and completely devoid of fact. I imagine the pompus weasel who’s hosting these events is non-the-wiser, and no less deluded.


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bugsbunny wrote:

ramunematt wrote:

Cid wrote:

fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote: Except when they were neanderthals.







<3



My ancestors go back to Adam and Eve, the first man and woman. They weren’t Neanderthals. wink



Tell me, what do you think sounds more believable: that our ancestors were apes which evolved over millions of years, or a man made out of dirt and a women from that man’s rib getting tricked my a talking snake?




alright evolution believe that we came from a rock, and it rained for “millions of year”. Christians believe a few thousand years ago God made everything.

yeah i know which one i believe.....also if evolution is true, it teaches this earth was made by a big band right? then how did earth get its plants and nutrients? why is earth the only planet we know of that has an atmosphere we can live in, water, oxygen and trees?



From a rock? Not a single evolutionist that I have ever met thinks we all came from a rock. That’s juts stupid. Any evolutionist will tell you that before evolution was abiogenesis (which is a different subject, not a part of evolution).

The rest can easily be explained by any astronomer.


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alright evolution believe that we came from a rock, and it rained for “millions of year”. Christians believe a few thousand years ago God made everything.

yeah i know which one i believe.....also if evolution is true, it teaches this earth was made by a big band right? then how did earth get its plants and nutrients? why is earth the only planet we know of that has an atmosphere we can live in, water, oxygen and trees?
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Go and read www.harunyahya.com and see the book of Atlas of Evolution...

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So what? The BNP hold just as many events; doesn’t make their opinions any more valid.

Your explainations aren’t good enough because they are baseless, and completely devoid of fact. I imagine the pompus weasel who’s hosting these events is non-the-wiser, and no less deluded.
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If u still not satisfied with my answer and want more proof just go and check to the events and ask him manything... and you can comparing his explanation with NASA report or what so ever...

so why not join to the events if you still arguing Qur’an and God is real... well... ur decision is ur decision not mine.... what ever path u choose is for u and not me...

If you believe what yu think is right you go with ur believe while I’m going to what I believe...


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alright evolution believe that we came from a rock, and it rained for “millions of year”. Christians believe a few thousand years ago God made everything.

yeah i know which one i believe.....also if evolution is true, it teaches this earth was made by a big band right? then how did earth get its plants and nutrients? why is earth the only planet we know of that has an atmosphere we can live in, water, oxygen and trees?
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Go and read www.harunyahya.com and see the book of Atlas of Evolution...

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So what? The BNP hold just as many events; doesn’t make their opinions any more valid.

Your explainations aren’t good enough because they are baseless, and completely devoid of fact. I imagine the pompus weasel who’s hosting these events is non-the-wiser, and no less deluded.
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If u still not satisfied with my answer and want more proof just go and check to the events and ask him manything... and you can comparing his explanation with NASA report or what so ever...

so why not join to the events if you still arguing Qur’an and God is real... well... ur decision is ur decision not mine.... what ever path u choose is for u and not me...

If you believe what yu think is right you go with ur believe while I’m going to what I believe...


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okay........i believe what i believe......you cant change that.

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Oh yes I cant...


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Itachi Uchiha wrote: Go and read www.harunyahya.com and see the book of Atlas of Evolution...



I know you think a lot of this resource...but I can’t help but question a “scientific” explanation of why evolution could never have occurred that cites mostly the author’s own works and works from the early 1980s. And especially when it ends by saying Darwinism is “Satan’s ruse”.

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