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http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=evidence+for+evolution&btnG=Google+Search

http://youtube.com/results?search_query=evidence+of+evolution&search=Search


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Where’s the final piece to the puzzle? That oh so important missing link? You can’t truly claim evolution until that final piece is found.

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The idea that there can even be such a thing as a “missing link” was created in an era of biological research which is long gone. It’s a concept which is no longer valid in our current understanding of the nature of life and evolution. The concept of a “missing link” creates confusion and misunderstandings which creationists are able to exploit. Life is like a spectrum, but not a spectrum with discreet ends. It’s a spectrum in that there are gradual transitions from one species to another, all of whom are certainly linked together, but no discreet links in a chain which can be broken, repaired, or readily followed.

So yes, we can truly claim evolution as scientists have been doing.


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And yet there is no hardcore evidence that it’s true. What’s worse are the documented cases of certain animals being found together with their “predecessors” in the exact same layer of bedrock. Or about modern human footprints that seems to predate some “cavemen”

All of these things Scientists claim as hoaxes, manufactured by people whom claim evolution is false. The truth is they’re probably real, and Scientists label them as hoaxes simply because they don’t want there to be proof that evolution is a lie.

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No hardcore evidence that evolution is true? How much evidence have you actually decided to look at that contradicts the Bible and actually thought maybe, just maybe it is legit?

Scientists don’t conspire with or against evidences, they’re not like religious fundamentalists (with the exception of the religious fundamental “scientists” such as Kent Hovind) because science isn’t dogmatic. The animal fossils being found together with their predecessors is true. However, it doesn’t go against evolution. If you know how evolution works you would know that even though ancestors often evolve into the descendant, sometimes the ancestor undergoes little to no evolutionary change, but at some point in it’s evolution history it branches out into the descended while the ancestor line continues. Here is a simple illustration of how branching works:



This also explains the modern human footprints that were found to predate cavemen fossils, because we branched out from cavemen. So that explains why ancestor and descended fossils can be found together and at the same age. It’s nothing out of the ordinary to evolutionary biologists. I haven’t heard of a single scientist that has claimed that as a hoax.


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Cid wrote: And yet there is no hardcore evidence that it’s true. What’s worse are the documented cases of certain animals being found together with their “predecessors” in the exact same layer of bedrock. Or about modern human footprints that seems to predate some “cavemen”

All of these things Scientists claim as hoaxes, manufactured by people whom claim evolution is false. The truth is they’re probably real, and Scientists label them as hoaxes simply because they don’t want there to be proof that evolution is a lie.



Actually ya got that backwards. Ya see when scientists find new discoveries or new things, that could disprove a theory, they take it into account and start new studies. Which is why they so rarely call things facts instantly, and keep them as scientific theories.

It is the religious organizations who see these new things found in discoveries or whatnot and call them hoaxes. Learn what’s really going on. Coverups are with the religious organizations.

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ramunematt wrote: No hardcore evidence that evolution is true? How much evidence have you actually decided to look at that contradicts the Bible and actually thought maybe, just maybe it is legit?

Scientists don’t conspire with or against evidences, they’re not like religious fundamentalists (with the exception of the religious fundamental “scientists” such as Kent Hovind) because science isn’t dogmatic. The animal fossils being found together with their predecessors is true. However, it doesn’t go against evolution. If you know how evolution works you would know that even though ancestors often evolve into the descendant, sometimes the ancestor undergoes little to no evolutionary change, but at some point in it’s evolution history it branches out into the descended while the ancestor line continues. Here is a simple illustration of how branching works:



This also explains the modern human footprints that were found to predate cavemen fossils, because we branched out from cavemen. So that explains why ancestor and descended fossils can be found together and at the same age. It’s nothing out of the ordinary to evolutionary biologists. I haven’t heard of a single scientist that has claimed that as a hoax.


Show me the overwhelming evidence for evolution now. I’m tired of hearing about it. I’d like to see it.


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If you want to see it then get your head out of the Bible and go the links on the top of the page.


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dud8675309 wrote: dose it matter? Faith in an irrilivent and stupid consept only some one so stupid as to belive in an after life would come up with. How could any one be so stupid. I would also like to say that the admins of this site need to chill, I mean realy, I’m only saying that people who belive in god are stupid, not them. Seriously, I’m just posting what any one with half a brain is thinking, I’ll be it stupidly and pethiticly as all humans do.




now my whole view of atheism is corrupted for ever, you should all be burned and torn to tiny peaces and burned again, then burned, and burn some more, then turned into fire lighters and burned, and turned into paper, and burned, intact, you should thrown into a black hole... and burned. All of you.... ALL.....OF....YOU..., all of you, all pathetic losers eating into the socialist agenda, you want Ingsoc, you lying gutless hart less basterds, I hope the black hole we moderates will send you too is made of bull shit and all the pixy sticks. And any one who gets pissed off at me for this post has no sense of humor and has they’re head up they’re ass.


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Weasel, let me point something out. Claiming by fiat that anyone who disagrees with you has their head up their ass will not justify the insulting rant you just threw out nor will it void it. You can’t hide behind a curtain just by saying “it’s a joke” at the end. I’m sure you’d be pissed if I ranted a personal attack on you and then attempted to void or justify it at the end by saying it’s a joke and that anyone who disagrees with me has their head up their ass. And there is a difference between “they’re” and “their”.


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well this went to hell

geez I made this for mature and respectful debating but then thanxs to ignorance it turned just like every other religion/science topic dat has ever bee made

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it annoys me that those who believe in evolution are always asked to prove it. Why dont YOU PROVE that humans just popped up out of thin air


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ramunematt wrote: The idea that there can even be such a thing as a “missing link” was created in an era of biological research which is long gone. It’s a concept which is no longer valid in our current understanding of the nature of life and evolution. The concept of a “missing link” creates confusion and misunderstandings which creationists are able to exploit. Life is like a spectrum, but not a spectrum with discreet ends. It’s a spectrum in that there are gradual transitions from one species to another, all of whom are certainly linked together, but no discreet links in a chain which can be broken, repaired, or readily followed.

So yes, we can truly claim evolution as scientists have been doing.


Thats ridiculous. A rat doesn’t just have a baby bat. There have to be transitional species.


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mddmartino wrote: it annoys me that those who believe in evolution are always asked to prove it. Why dont YOU PROVE that humans just popped up out of thin air


Ok. We’re here. And we’re not overpopulated like we should be [were evolution true].

Now, PROVE me wrong.


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We are overpopulated.

And why should I prove you wrong? If your making the claim then your the one who has to prove it right.


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ramunematt wrote: We are overpopulated.

And why should I prove you wrong? If your making the claim then your the one who has to prove it right.


I should clarify. Were evolution true, then we’d be extremely overpopulated. We wouldn’t be able to turn around without bumping into another person.


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Many groups of species share the same types of body structures because they inherited them from a common ancestor that had them. This is the case with the vertebrates , which are the animals that have internal skeletons. The arms of humans, the forelegs of dogs and cats, the wings of birds, and the flippers of whales and seals all have the same types of bones (humerus, radius, and ulna) because they have retained these traits of their shared common ancient vertebrate ancestor.

All of these major chemical and anatomical similarities between living things can be most logically accounted for by assuming that they either share a common ancestry or they came into existence as a result of similar natural processes. These facts make it difficult to accept a theory of special and independent creation of different species.



You are assuming you are right. Thats not very objective, now is it?

Here’s an idea... No common ancestor. How about a common creator? Just as an artist will have a/or style(s), so will the creator.


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Physics wrote:

ramunematt wrote: We are overpopulated.

And why should I prove you wrong? If your making the claim then your the one who has to prove it right.


I should clarify. Were evolution true, then we’d be extremely overpopulated. We wouldn’t be able to turn around without bumping into another person.



And what exactly do you base that assumption off of?


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Physics wrote: Many groups of species share the same types of body structures because they inherited them from a common ancestor that had them. This is the case with the vertebrates , which are the animals that have internal skeletons. The arms of humans, the forelegs of dogs and cats, the wings of birds, and the flippers of whales and seals all have the same types of bones (humerus, radius, and ulna) because they have retained these traits of their shared common ancient vertebrate ancestor.

All of these major chemical and anatomical similarities between living things can be most logically accounted for by assuming that they either share a common ancestry or they came into existence as a result of similar natural processes. These facts make it difficult to accept a theory of special and independent creation of different species.



You are assuming you are right. Thats not very objective, now is it?

Here’s an idea... No common ancestor. How about a common creator? Just as an artist will have a/or style(s), so will the creator.



But then who created the creator?


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Children believe in anything their parents say, I supose thats a no to the title.

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