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[Reply] #201
06-10-2015 09:54 AM
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Lifestyle Punktuation wrote: If God/gods are not real, then why would we evolve to believe in God/gods?

To believe is a subjective fact. If you want to relate it to evolution then you have to know that in the 1st world countries the percentage of non believers are growning more and more while 2nd and 3rd world ones are still firmly grasped in religions talons. Religions prosper in disgrace, superstition and ignorance.

Why doesn’t any other animal in the world believe in god?

For the same reason no other animal in the world brushes its teeths before going to sleep.

No animal builds churches, prays, sacrifices. Why do only humans do?

Same as above.

And for what purpose?

People is afraid of death, diseases and everything that can not be understood or controlled by human kind, so they try to give it a meaning and a shape identyfing them with a god (starting from ancient civilizations which venerated the sun, seas, winds etc all the way to our current gods), which has to be prayed in order to “control” this things (overused terms like eternal life, resurrection, afterlife etc. should bell a ring).

If there is no God/gods, then why do we pray? Why do we go to churches?

Same as above.

If there is no God/gods, then our prayers are useless. Yet millions of people pray everyday.

Yeah, people do a lot of meaningless things. And anyway Hitler was elected by the majority of german population, does this make him right? Examples are endless.

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Iaveh wrote: no, he meant the period of evolution when we were pretty much ape-men. being hunters/gatherers before we even started building temples or sacrificing wild animals to so-and-so deities.



Then atheists were pretty much everywhere. owo?

If you’re asking where atheists were when religion started to come about, see below regarding the progression of religious theories and theories in general. Also consider social acceptance: even if you’re atheist, if a bunch of people in your tribe are shifting over to some kind of religion in response to such-and-such a question, it’s better to keep your mouth shut than to speak against it and end up branded a heathen and, at best, kicked out of the tribe. It’s a natural survival instinct. The various examples of things like this happening to people speaking against an organized, religious institution throughout history should reflect this.

I find it weird though.

first there is no god so we didn’t believe in him.
then, as we evolved, we believe in god, only to explain the world around us.
and then we (or atheists) say there is no god because... of many debatable reasons.

why did we even come up with god if he really doesn’t exist?

get what I’m saying?



It’s the same thing with dark matter. There was no dark matter before we realized the discrepancy between a galaxy’s luminosity and its gravitational influence. Then there was. But once we get to the point of figuring out what dark matter is, it’s going to stop existing (just by definition, since we’d probably call it...well, whatever it is, e.g. cold quark-gluon plasma).

In general, the theory, like God, doesn’t pop up until the questions are actually asked. Before the onset of religion, humanity was a bit more concerned fighting off wolves and Bengal tigers and each other. Then, combining evolution and drastic changes in environments for the individual, people had more 'brain time' with which to think about things other than spearing a fish. Those people ask questions and propose theories, sometimes in tandem and for various reasons&#151;such as acquisition of power.

So that curve of theistic interest shouldn’t really be a surprise, since it pretty much shares the progression of a scientific theory combating against more robust, supported theories. In short: it was the best answer at the time before better theories came along. Even Greek theology underwent the same process, falling out of favour to be replaced by the more robust monotheistic religions, though there were other historical factors as well that admittedly complicate the issue.


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Iaveh wrote: I find it weird though.

first there is no god so we didn’t believe in him.
then, as we evolved, we believe in god, only to explain the world around us.
and then we (or atheists) say there is no god because... of many debatable reasons.

why did we even come up with god if he really doesn’t exist?

get what I’m saying?

ps. Jesus was crucified.


No one knows for sure why we came up with god, assuming he doesn’t exist. Though many theories state that we needed explanations for how and why the world around us works, so we came up with the idea that people like ourselves, but with much greater power, were working the mechanics of our environment behind the scenes. Without proper sciences, we used folklore and superstition for many of our explanations.


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06-10-2015 01:46 PM
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Xennotraun wrote: Without proper sciences, we used folklore and superstition for many of our explanations.


Sciences doesn’t explain anything important.

Why are we here and what’s our purpose?

What happens when we die?

...

Science will never be able to explain those questions.

Like honestly, who cares if matter is made out of atoms?

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Sanito wrote:

Xennotraun wrote: Without proper sciences, we used folklore and superstition for many of our explanations.


Sciences doesn’t explain anything important.

Why are we here and what’s our purpose?

What happens when we die?

...

Science will never be able to explain those questions.

Like honestly, who cares if matter is made out of atoms?



You do realize that pretty much the entirety of technological advancement, including your computer, is due to those 'unimportant explanations'?


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06-10-2015 03:33 PM
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-Tyreaus- wrote:

Sanito wrote:

Xennotraun wrote: Without proper sciences, we used folklore and superstition for many of our explanations.


Sciences doesn’t explain anything important.

Why are we here and what’s our purpose?

What happens when we die?

...

Science will never be able to explain those questions.

Like honestly, who cares if matter is made out of atoms?



You do realize that pretty much the entirety of technological advancement, including your computer, is due to those 'unimportant explanations'?


Not really, but who cares? I’m never going to design computer components, so “answers” like that are useless to me.

In fact, most people here don’t know and don’t care about how a computer is made and how it functions, including you. So why bring it up?

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Sanito wrote:

-Tyreaus- wrote:

Sanito wrote:

Xennotraun wrote: Without proper sciences, we used folklore and superstition for many of our explanations.


Sciences doesn’t explain anything important.

Why are we here and what’s our purpose?

What happens when we die?

...

Science will never be able to explain those questions.

Like honestly, who cares if matter is made out of atoms?



You do realize that pretty much the entirety of technological advancement, including your computer, is due to those 'unimportant explanations'?


Not really, but who cares? I’m never going to design computer components, so “answers” like that are useless to me.

In fact, most people here don’t know and don’t care about how a computer is made and how it functions, including you. So why bring it up?


A lot of people care about how computers function.


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Sanito wrote: Not really, but who cares? I’m never going to design computer components, so “answers” like that are useless to me.

In fact, most people here don’t know and don’t care about how a computer is made and how it functions, including you. So why bring it up?



Even if you don’t, somebody has to. You can find that information useless to you personally all you like, that’s your shtick, but someone has to know that 'unimportant' information to get to the point we’re at now.

And I work in IT, actually, so I do care to know how computers function since I often have to fix them. :P


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YES I BELIEVE IN GOD! JESUS CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS! SPREAD THE WORD, PLEASE BELIEVE!!!

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Sanito wrote:

Xennotraun wrote: Without proper sciences, we used folklore and superstition for many of our explanations.


Sciences doesn’t explain anything important.

Why are we here and what’s our purpose?

What happens when we die?



Actually, technically speaking, Science can, and does answer some of the big questions (and eventually can answer some of the others); people merely don’t agree with the answer. Technically, with a fine understanding of the mechanics of the Universe, and how logic works, one can find the Universe wasn’t particularly “fined-tuned” (a fallacious argument used by some creationists), or any other such argument; thus, we aren’t really here for a particular purposeful reason, and therefore, lack an objective purpose. Despite this, ours minds (simultaneously one of the best and worst constructs the Universe has ever conceived) are able to find a subjective purpose perfectly and capably as valid as an objective one.


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06-10-2015 07:13 PM
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Sanito wrote:

Xennotraun wrote: Without proper sciences, we used folklore and superstition for many of our explanations.


Sciences doesn’t explain anything important.

Why are we here and what’s our purpose?

What happens when we die?

...

Science will never be able to explain those questions.

Like honestly, who cares if matter is made out of atoms?



Oh god you are so stupid, science has saved more people than you can imagine. Even one day it may save your stupid life. Biologists and chemists, immunology and gene science - countless medicines. Physics - safe aviation, motor science and many other devices. Computer scientists, software to maintain your vitals and monitor you in hospitals control aircraft etc... Either you are a troll or are just plain ignorant to spout this bullshit. You owe scientists your current livelyhood and living conditions up to being able to post on this forum. This is why generally they are the better paid professions and most in demand.

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Sanito wrote:

Xennotraun wrote: Without proper sciences, we used folklore and superstition for many of our explanations.


Sciences doesn’t explain anything important.

Why are we here and what’s our purpose?

What happens when we die?

...

Science will never be able to explain those questions.

Like honestly, who cares if matter is made out of atoms?

Science is a necessity for us to collectively sustain ourselves, progress by facilitating human life and logically acquiring a deeper understanding of the world we live in through trial & error/experimentation. In that sense, it instantly merits “importance”.

The questions you addressed are pretty intangible, but they still fall under the category. If you have a better, more reputable method of understanding the world, go ahead and share it with your fellow people.

By saying science is useless, you’re just pussying out. :-D

Edited 06-10-2015 08:05 PM by Mentlegan
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I think of it as this: Science is Mandatory for a current lifestyle in this time period, whereas religion is certainly not. All positive institutions of religion can be replicated by Secular variants (in fact, the lack of Secular variants is largely because of the dominance of the religious ones which already sate the need-religion had the opportunity to be present before a large development of scientific and secular aid). While Religion cannot replicate any Scientific institutions in a honest way.


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Sanito wrote:

Xennotraun wrote: Without proper sciences, we used folklore and superstition for many of our explanations.


Sciences doesn’t explain anything important.

Why are we here and what’s our purpose?

What happens when we die?

...

Science will never be able to explain those questions.

Like honestly, who cares if matter is made out of atoms?


Wow.


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Well as Dawkins says, science doesn’t really care about why questions. And all of the representatives of the new atheist believe the universe has no purpose, so they have no reason to even address the question of why.

If those questions are important to you, look to theology and philosophy

[Reply] #216
03-03-2019 02:27 PM
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Do you believe in yourself?

Yes, I believe in God.

You dont need physical evidence to believe in something.

If i saw God then i wouldnt just believe in God, id know God.

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