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10-17-2007 10:42 PM
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Obvious right. Which one do you believe in. I’ll include a poll to see what the popular thought is on this forum. Also I’ll conclude a vote of none of them if you don’t agree with either. But please this isn’t a poll question, but a very debateable and heated topic. Keep it respectful like gentlement and classy ladies people. And the most important thing to remember is these are people you are talking to, so treat them like people.

(For you PS3KICKS360)


Creationism vs Evolution

Neither of These****** 12%

(votes so far 9)


Evolution************************** 51%

(votes so far 38)


Creationism******************* 37%

(votes so far 28)


This topic (and thus poll) has been locked.

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this is gona get ugly

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You sure got that right.

(thnx Zucas I was about to do it myself but you know wink)


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I personally picked evolution first by narrowing down the answers. I find the idea of creationism to be to much of a fantasy to be real. That’s not my reasoning jsut a brief explantaion right now.

I have no other way to explain how this could have happened. Thus evolution is my answer right now. There is numerous amounts of real evidence to support it and plus it was written by a very resected and intelligent scientist, who I would give a lot more credit than some others.

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PS3KICKS360 wrote: You sure got that right.

(thnx Zucas I was about to do it myself but you know wink)



I like beating people to the punch.

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cid is not a hetrosexual wrote: this is gona get ugly



People should be able to debate this without problems. That’s the main problem with politics in America. Too many people think its about this group vs this group. If instead they’d all sit down and have a respectful debate and be willing to compromise then more things would get done. Instead its this whole party loyalty or taking shots at people all the damn time. George Washington said that political parties would be the destruction of government and in a way he’s been right.

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Oh and to any mod this should probably be stickied. Need a sticky for this forum section.

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What evidence of a world wide flood we would expect to see if it really happened

Youtube Playlist: Debunking Creationism

Just thought I should throw these things in there wink


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Evolution 3 Creationism 1

Creationsim will catch up though... :/


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10-17-2007 11:18 PM
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I find a flaw in this debate.

This is under the assumption that creationists believe in the one portrayed in Genesis.

This is also assuming they don’t believe in evolution.


This debate, therefore, cannot apply to my beliefs.

I believe in creationism. I also believe in the big bang.

How does this work? I believe that the original matter in the big bang was created by some omnipotent force. To me, that sounds a lot less far fetched than matter spontaneously materializing from nothing of its own accord. If that were the case, why don’t we have universe randomly appearing on top of each other? I mean, you’d think if that did happen, they’d wipe each other out.

I believe God made the matter. I believe God provided the energy for the “bang”. I believe God set scientific laws in place to maintain the creation he started. And one of these scientific laws would include *gasp* the Theory of EVOLUTION.

You assume everyone follows the mainstream fundamentalism.

I can’t vote in this poll, only offer my opinions, because I don’t see a “both” choice.


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Then dont choose one or click neither.


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Maggot Face wrote: I find a flaw in this debate.

This is under the assumption that creationists believe in the one portrayed in Genesis.

This is also assuming they don’t believe in evolution.


This debate, therefore, cannot apply to my beliefs.

I believe in creationism. I also believe in the big bang.

How does this work? I believe that the original matter in the big bang was created by some omnipotent force. To me, that sounds a lot less far fetched than matter spontaneously materializing from nothing of its own accord. If that were the case, why don’t we have universe randomly appearing on top of each other? I mean, you’d think if that did happen, they’d wipe each other out.

I believe God made the matter. I believe God provided the energy for the “bang”. I believe God set scientific laws in place to maintain the creation he started. And one of these scientific laws would include *gasp* the Theory of EVOLUTION.

You assume everyone follows the mainstream fundamentalism.

I can’t vote in this poll, only offer my opinions, because I don’t see a “both” choice.



First of all that entire bit is actually blasphemous to what the Church teaches. Meaning you obviously don’t follow their religion. I kinda respect that.

Secondly how did god get there. Who created god. This is the ongoing question that plauges both science and religion: how does something come out of nothing. Can it be answered? I think the better question is does it need to be answered.

Finally if there is a choice for you in this poll. It’s called none of the above.

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Zucas wrote:

Maggot Face wrote: I find a flaw in this debate.

This is under the assumption that creationists believe in the one portrayed in Genesis.

This is also assuming they don’t believe in evolution.


This debate, therefore, cannot apply to my beliefs.

I believe in creationism. I also believe in the big bang.

How does this work? I believe that the original matter in the big bang was created by some omnipotent force. To me, that sounds a lot less far fetched than matter spontaneously materializing from nothing of its own accord. If that were the case, why don’t we have universe randomly appearing on top of each other? I mean, you’d think if that did happen, they’d wipe each other out.

I believe God made the matter. I believe God provided the energy for the “bang”. I believe God set scientific laws in place to maintain the creation he started. And one of these scientific laws would include *gasp* the Theory of EVOLUTION.

You assume everyone follows the mainstream fundamentalism.

I can’t vote in this poll, only offer my opinions, because I don’t see a “both” choice.



First of all that entire bit is actually blasphemous to what the Church teaches. Meaning you obviously don’t follow their religion. I kinda respect that.

Secondly how did god get there. Who created god. This is the ongoing question that plauges both science and religion: how does something come out of nothing. Can it be answered? I think the better question is does it need to be answered.

Finally if there is a choice for you in this poll. It’s called none of the above.



I agree, there doesn’t NEED to be an answer to where it came from. God or not, there has to be a belief that something came from nothing.

And I had not wanted to vote “neither” because I wanted both, but yeah, I guess you could say it does apply.

And, LOL. The Church. The Church is an institution of Man. I don’t worship the Church, I worship the God.


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Maggot Face wrote: I find a flaw in this debate.

This is under the assumption that creationists believe in the one portrayed in Genesis.

This is also assuming they don’t believe in evolution.


This debate, therefore, cannot apply to my beliefs.

I believe in creationism. I also believe in the big bang.

How does this work? I believe that the original matter in the big bang was created by some omnipotent force. To me, that sounds a lot less far fetched than matter spontaneously materializing from nothing of its own accord. If that were the case, why don’t we have universe randomly appearing on top of each other? I mean, you’d think if that did happen, they’d wipe each other out.

I believe God made the matter. I believe God provided the energy for the “bang”. I believe God set scientific laws in place to maintain the creation he started. And one of these scientific laws would include *gasp* the Theory of EVOLUTION.

You assume everyone follows the mainstream fundamentalism.

I can’t vote in this poll, only offer my opinions, because I don’t see a “both” choice.



You find it more far-fetched that matter can spontaneously come into existence rather than complex intelligent matter (god) coming into existence?

Why add something as complex as god to the beginning? Simple things come first, then complex things come later, much later. To say that something complex was there from the beginning is to shoot yourself in the conceptual foot. Why you would add that extra illogical step to the beginning is beyond me.


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10-17-2007 11:28 PM
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Maggot Face wrote:

Zucas wrote:

Maggot Face wrote: I find a flaw in this debate.

This is under the assumption that creationists believe in the one portrayed in Genesis.

This is also assuming they don’t believe in evolution.


This debate, therefore, cannot apply to my beliefs.

I believe in creationism. I also believe in the big bang.

How does this work? I believe that the original matter in the big bang was created by some omnipotent force. To me, that sounds a lot less far fetched than matter spontaneously materializing from nothing of its own accord. If that were the case, why don’t we have universe randomly appearing on top of each other? I mean, you’d think if that did happen, they’d wipe each other out.

I believe God made the matter. I believe God provided the energy for the “bang”. I believe God set scientific laws in place to maintain the creation he started. And one of these scientific laws would include *gasp* the Theory of EVOLUTION.

You assume everyone follows the mainstream fundamentalism.

I can’t vote in this poll, only offer my opinions, because I don’t see a “both” choice.



First of all that entire bit is actually blasphemous to what the Church teaches. Meaning you obviously don’t follow their religion. I kinda respect that.

Secondly how did god get there. Who created god. This is the ongoing question that plauges both science and religion: how does something come out of nothing. Can it be answered? I think the better question is does it need to be answered.

Finally if there is a choice for you in this poll. It’s called none of the above.



I agree, there doesn’t NEED to be an answer to where it came from. God or not, there has to be a belief that something came from nothing.

And I had not wanted to vote “neither” because I wanted both, but yeah, I guess you could say it does apply.

And, LOL. The Church. The Church is an institution of Man. I don’t worship the Church, I worship the God.



But men and church created god.

As I’ve stated in another topic if there was nothing physical or concrete on the Earth to give evidence of a god then it must have been created by an intelligent lifeform. Meaning the idea of a god was created by man.

Meaning your better off going with a superior being as its too general for my statement to apply.

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ramunematt wrote:

Maggot Face wrote: I find a flaw in this debate.

This is under the assumption that creationists believe in the one portrayed in Genesis.

This is also assuming they don’t believe in evolution.


This debate, therefore, cannot apply to my beliefs.

I believe in creationism. I also believe in the big bang.

How does this work? I believe that the original matter in the big bang was created by some omnipotent force. To me, that sounds a lot less far fetched than matter spontaneously materializing from nothing of its own accord. If that were the case, why don’t we have universe randomly appearing on top of each other? I mean, you’d think if that did happen, they’d wipe each other out.

I believe God made the matter. I believe God provided the energy for the “bang”. I believe God set scientific laws in place to maintain the creation he started. And one of these scientific laws would include *gasp* the Theory of EVOLUTION.

You assume everyone follows the mainstream fundamentalism.

I can’t vote in this poll, only offer my opinions, because I don’t see a “both” choice.



You find it more far-fetched that matter can spontaneously come into existence rather than complex intelligent matter (god) coming into existence?

Why add something as complex as god to the beginning? Simple things come first, then complex things come later, much later. To say that something complex was there from the beginning is to shoot yourself in the conceptual foot. Why you would add that extra illogical step to the beginning is beyond me.



That’s actually a very good point. Never thought about it like that.

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ramunematt wrote:

Maggot Face wrote: I find a flaw in this debate.

This is under the assumption that creationists believe in the one portrayed in Genesis.

This is also assuming they don’t believe in evolution.


This debate, therefore, cannot apply to my beliefs.

I believe in creationism. I also believe in the big bang.

How does this work? I believe that the original matter in the big bang was created by some omnipotent force. To me, that sounds a lot less far fetched than matter spontaneously materializing from nothing of its own accord. If that were the case, why don’t we have universe randomly appearing on top of each other? I mean, you’d think if that did happen, they’d wipe each other out.

I believe God made the matter. I believe God provided the energy for the “bang”. I believe God set scientific laws in place to maintain the creation he started. And one of these scientific laws would include *gasp* the Theory of EVOLUTION.

You assume everyone follows the mainstream fundamentalism.

I can’t vote in this poll, only offer my opinions, because I don’t see a “both” choice.



You find it more far-fetched that matter can spontaneously come into existence rather than complex intelligent matter (god) coming into existence?

Why add something as complex as god to the beginning? Simple things come first, then complex things come later, much later. To say that something complex was there from the beginning is to shoot yourself in the conceptual foot. Why you would add that extra illogical step to the beginning is beyond me.



The whole God in the beginning concept relies on a belief in the possibility of an omnipotent being. The best way to describe it would be cheating. Omnipotence literally gives the capability of anything, including coming from nothing.

I see it as something difficult to comprehend, understand, and accept because we see it with the limitations we know the universe has.

But I’m talking about something that was there before the universe. How did He get there? I don’t fucking know. He’s omnipotent, He made it so. I believe it. You don’t have to, I’m not going to make you.


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My answer is contained within this video.


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Zucas wrote:

Maggot Face wrote:

Zucas wrote:

Maggot Face wrote: I find a flaw in this debate.

This is under the assumption that creationists believe in the one portrayed in Genesis.

This is also assuming they don’t believe in evolution.


This debate, therefore, cannot apply to my beliefs.

I believe in creationism. I also believe in the big bang.

How does this work? I believe that the original matter in the big bang was created by some omnipotent force. To me, that sounds a lot less far fetched than matter spontaneously materializing from nothing of its own accord. If that were the case, why don’t we have universe randomly appearing on top of each other? I mean, you’d think if that did happen, they’d wipe each other out.

I believe God made the matter. I believe God provided the energy for the “bang”. I believe God set scientific laws in place to maintain the creation he started. And one of these scientific laws would include *gasp* the Theory of EVOLUTION.

You assume everyone follows the mainstream fundamentalism.

I can’t vote in this poll, only offer my opinions, because I don’t see a “both” choice.



First of all that entire bit is actually blasphemous to what the Church teaches. Meaning you obviously don’t follow their religion. I kinda respect that.

Secondly how did god get there. Who created god. This is the ongoing question that plauges both science and religion: how does something come out of nothing. Can it be answered? I think the better question is does it need to be answered.

Finally if there is a choice for you in this poll. It’s called none of the above.



I agree, there doesn’t NEED to be an answer to where it came from. God or not, there has to be a belief that something came from nothing.

And I had not wanted to vote “neither” because I wanted both, but yeah, I guess you could say it does apply.

And, LOL. The Church. The Church is an institution of Man. I don’t worship the Church, I worship the God.



But men and church created god.

As I’ve stated in another topic if there was nothing physical or concrete on the Earth to give evidence of a god then it must have been created by an intelligent lifeform. Meaning the idea of a god was created by man.

Meaning your better off going with a superior being as its too general for my statement to apply.



I’m going to be honest, I had a difficult time following what you meant by that last post.

I will say this.

Jesus didn’t create Churches. He taught directly. He didn’t teach out of a Holy Book. He taught directly.

I don’t argue that man created Church, but at the same time, I don’t see it as an actual part of the religion, just a way of people trying to be “in charge” and tell people the “right denomination” to believe. If there was a “right denomination”, we’d know it and we wouldn’t have so many different beliefs within the same damn religion.

Also, the way I see it, whether or not it makes sense that there was a God first depends on what you’re willing to see as “possible”. It all depends on your view of omnipotence.


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Ok we’re tied since I picked Creationism.


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