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[Reply] #141
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Rich616 wrote:
We clearly don’t want to go to war, and Iran doesn’t either.



You can’t be serious.


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Science is even bigger bullshit lol, they believe the big bang created everything from 2 atoms colliding together or some shit, they tried to do the same thing in 2008 spending 10 billion dollars doing it, but the risk was a very small black hole being made if failed, they failed and no black hole was created also.

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07-11-2014 09:34 PM
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wtff wrote:

The Ancient Apocalypse wrote:

faggot_detected wrote:

The Ancient Apocalypse wrote:

Rich616 wrote:

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6Faggotus6Maximus6 wrote: Hamas has been condemned; a lot more than Israel in the past. Its only recently that people are beginning to see that Israel is a state of liars lol.


They’re a western society, of course they lie.

That doesn’t change the fact that what they are fighting is way worse.



Global scheming aside, Israel and Hamas are both firing rockets at each other. The only difference is that Israel is constantly killing civilians, including children. And at the same time bulldozing Palestinians out of their homes.


Are you trying to tell me that Hamas doesn’t kill civilians and then purposefully hide in civilian areas of their own people to ensure casualties?

proof they are purposely hiding in civilians areas to ensure casualties ?
seems like you’re talking out of your ass mate














http://freebeacon.com/national-security/hamas-orders-civilians-to-die-in-israeli-airstrikes/

>gets his info from the media that can twist whatever they want to Israel Advantage

in the end of the day, Israel is the one that killed those civilians


Yup, they are planting missiles in residential areas and bombing themselves so that they can kill civilians from another country just for shits and giggles.


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Hell Hath No Fury wrote: The anti-semitism in this thread is sad.

you’re not necessarily an antisemite if you’re anti israel. But you are necessarily anti Israeli if you are antisemetic (no one who believes in Jew Conspiracies to take over the world through banking wealth and media brainwashing is jumping on the “Israel has a right to defend its citizens against neighbors who believe they have a divine duty to kill the Jews” bandwagon). So its unsuprising that in any given thread about Israel, you are going to see antisemites snd antisemitism lining up on the anti-israeli side.


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Hell Hath No Fury wrote:

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No, I do. Sorry I’m not absolutely blind to the corruption that is the government of Israel. Lol



Pointing out corruption is fine, but what state are you comparing Israel too. It seems like you’re holding Israel to a much higher standard than other middle eastern countries that are completely and backwards. They get a free pass, because. It’s like how feminist are always whining about patriarchy and rape culture in western countries. But never bother to apply their standards to third world shit holes where there really is a rape culture.



Rich616 wrote:
Sharon was talking to his own foreign minister, he wasn’t lying. Nor was Natanyahu when he was entirely unaware of being filmed. I consider you intelligent, but if you’re argument against that is posting the former Iranian president claiming 9/11 was an inside job, then please don’t respond to this.



Accept that the his sentiment reflects one that is common in the middle east. It’s also several orders of magnitude greater than some guy claiming to “own” the U.S.



No state in particular, playing the “who’s worse” game doesn’t get anyone anywhere. But I do hold them to a certain standard because of the way they present themselves as s free, well-intentioned nation.

Him claiming 9/11 was an inside-job isn’t impossible, there’s plenty of arguments that support it. But I’d rather not get into that because I don’t really agree or disagree. It’s not comparable to two Israeli foreign ministers claiming that Israel controls America, when the evidence really does point in that direction. Ever since Israel was formed they’ve influenced our politics and foreign policy. It started with the American Zionist Council and we see it now through their lobby’s, AIPAC and media control.

It’s a fact that Jews just about own every source we get our information on worldly matters. Obviously being Jewish and Israeli are two different things (though many of them are Israeli born, or their parents were) but when you look at how blindly biased the media is towards Israel, it really does support the idea that they have extreme influence over here. Especially when it comes to how we see them and the Middle East in general.

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Hell Hath No Fury wrote:

Rich616 wrote:
We clearly don’t want to go to war, and Iran doesn’t either.



You can’t be serious.



They hate Israel’s government, but why would they have agreed to the deal if their intention was war? It’s not as if they’re dumb enough to think they could take on Israel and the US.

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Rich616 wrote:

No state in particular, playing the “who’s worse” game doesn’t get anyone anywhere. But I do hold them to a certain standard because of the way they present themselves as s free, well-intentioned nation.



You hold the state that regularly has it’s shit in-order to a higher standard to others that don’t give two fucks about human, rights? Are you serious now?


Rich616 wrote:
Him claiming 9/11 was an inside-job isn’t impossible, there’s plenty of arguments that support it. But I’d rather not get into that because I don’t really agree or disagree. It’s not comparable to two Israeli foreign ministers claiming that Israel controls America, when the evidence really does point in that direction. Ever since Israel was formed they’ve influenced our politics and foreign policy. It started with the American Zionist Council and we see it now through their lobby’s, AIPAC and media control.

It’s a fact that Jews just about own every source we get our information on worldly matters. Obviously being Jewish and Israeli are two different things (though many of them are Israeli born, or their parents were) but when you look at how blindly biased the media is towards Israel, it really does support the idea that they have extreme influence over here. Especially when it comes to how we see them and the Middle East in general.



You know what, let’s just stop this debate right now. What I find sad is that the victims of terrorist [Westerners and jews] are constantly being blamed as the perpetrators. It’s blame the victim on steroids.


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Science is even bigger bullshit lol, they believe the big bang created everything from 2 atoms colliding together or some shit, they tried to do the same thing in 2008 spending 10 billion dollars doing it, but the risk was a very small black hole being made if failed, they failed and no black hole was created also.

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Israel-Iran war would be pretty ugly considering that these are two very militarily powerful countries each with a lot of backup from other superpowers(USA and majority of Europe for Israel - Russia and China for Iran).


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Gintoki wrote: Israel-Iran war would be pretty ugly considering that these are two very militarily powerful countries each with a lot of backup from other superpowers(USA and majority of Europe for Israel - Russia and China for Iran).


i would say USA needs to butt out but they won’t.

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Hell Hath No Fury wrote:

Rich616 wrote:

No state in particular, playing the “who’s worse” game doesn’t get anyone anywhere. But I do hold them to a certain standard because of the way they present themselves as s free, well-intentioned nation.



You hold the state that regularly has it’s shit in-order to a higher standard to others that don’t give two fucks about human, rights? Are you serious now?


Rich616 wrote:
Him claiming 9/11 was an inside-job isn’t impossible, there’s plenty of arguments that support it. But I’d rather not get into that because I don’t really agree or disagree. It’s not comparable to two Israeli foreign ministers claiming that Israel controls America, when the evidence really does point in that direction. Ever since Israel was formed they’ve influenced our politics and foreign policy. It started with the American Zionist Council and we see it now through their lobby’s, AIPAC and media control.

It’s a fact that Jews just about own every source we get our information on worldly matters. Obviously being Jewish and Israeli are two different things (though many of them are Israeli born, or their parents were) but when you look at how blindly biased the media is towards Israel, it really does support the idea that they have extreme influence over here. Especially when it comes to how we see them and the Middle East in general.



You know what, let’s just stop this debate right now. What I find sad is that the victims of terrorist [Westerners and jews] are constantly being blamed as the perpetrators. It’s blame the victim on steroids.



What? ALL nations should be held to the same standard. But if you’re going to claim to be a free and well-intentioned nation, you shouldn’t be starting conflict that ultimately your civilians will have to pay the price for.

Let’s. Because you clearly aren’t willing to accept that the US and Israel also engage in terrorism. It may not be suicide bombings, but it’s terrorism all the same.

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aerial photos of a hamas rocket launcher site, being used to TARGET (not hit as collateral damage) Israeli civilians. Hamas is evil, but they aren’t stupid. They purposely stuck the launch site between a mosque, a nursery school, and a chemical plant. They WANT the resulting headline to be “children and worshippers killed in Petrol explosion; Israeli airstrike to blame." Thats how Hamas operates.


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Rich616 wrote:

What? ALL nations should be held to the same standard. But if you’re going to claim to be a free and well-intentioned nation, you shouldn’t be starting conflict that ultimately your civilians will have to pay the price for.



Starting conflict?


Okay, hon. Answer me two questions so we can drop this:

Q1: What would happen if the Israels enemies in the Middle East were to disarm?

Q2: What would happen if Israel were to disarm?


Rich616 wrote:
Let’s. Because you clearly aren’t willing to accept that the US and Israel also engage in terrorism. It may not be suicide bombings, but it’s terrorism all the same.



Attacking states that fund Al Qaeda [like Iran] is Terrorism? Ignoring Israel for a second, my parents are Taiwanese/Japanese. I go to Taiwain daily. Every second we have to worry about our neighbor to the north[China] invading us because “Taiwain is Chinese”. Why is it I never have to worry about America doing the same? I mean according to you they’re terrorist, right?


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Science is even bigger bullshit lol, they believe the big bang created everything from 2 atoms colliding together or some shit, they tried to do the same thing in 2008 spending 10 billion dollars doing it, but the risk was a very small black hole being made if failed, they failed and no black hole was created also.

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They been attacking each other for years. This thing will continue for decades. No side is right, only once there are leaders on both sides that can bring peace and understanding will there be any.


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Brawndo the Thirst Mutilator wrote: aerial photos of a hamas rocket launcher site, being used to TARGET (not hit as collateral damage) Israeli civilians. Hamas is evil, but they aren’t stupid. They purposely stuck the launch site between a mosque, a nursery school, and a chemical plant. They WANT the resulting headline to be “children and worshippers killed in Petrol explosion; Israeli airstrike to blame." Thats how Hamas operates.



Hamas Warns Israel: ‘We Love Death More Than You Love Life’

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/11/19/hamas-warns-israel-we-love-death-more-than-you-love-life/


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Science is even bigger bullshit lol, they believe the big bang created everything from 2 atoms colliding together or some shit, they tried to do the same thing in 2008 spending 10 billion dollars doing it, but the risk was a very small black hole being made if failed, they failed and no black hole was created also.

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Superduperman wrote: They been attacking each other for years. This thing will continue for decades. No side is right, only once there are leaders on both sides that can bring peace and understanding will there be any.



Except that one side doesn’t want peace or did you miss that?


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Science is even bigger bullshit lol, they believe the big bang created everything from 2 atoms colliding together or some shit, they tried to do the same thing in 2008 spending 10 billion dollars doing it, but the risk was a very small black hole being made if failed, they failed and no black hole was created also.

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And how do you know Iran funds them? It’s been claimed by many people that the US funds Al-Qaeda. Iran just agreed to a peace deal, and there’s no evidence supporting them building a nuke. Yet Israel is still trying to lobby for war, which they know would turn into an international conflict.

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Hell Hath No Fury wrote:

Superduperman wrote: They been attacking each other for years. This thing will continue for decades. No side is right, only once there are leaders on both sides that can bring peace and understanding will there be any.



Except that one side doesn’t want peace or did you miss that?



No I didnt which is why I said they should get better leader on both sides.


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Rich616 wrote: And how do you know Iran funds them? It’s been claimed by many people that the US funds Al-Qaeda. Iran just agreed to a peace deal, and there’s no evidence supporting them building a nuke. Yet Israel is still trying to lobby for war, which they know would turn into an international conflict.



The only people who claim united states funds Al Qaeda is Alex Jones type infowars conspiracy theorist. Meanwhile, countries ranging from Pakistan to Iran have been caught bankrolling Al Qaeda. One of the main reasons we’ve intervened in the middle east.

Same terrorist who attack western countries: 9/11, 7/7, Madrid, etc.

Why would we fund terrorist to attack us and our allies, anyway?


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Science is even bigger bullshit lol, they believe the big bang created everything from 2 atoms colliding together or some shit, they tried to do the same thing in 2008 spending 10 billion dollars doing it, but the risk was a very small black hole being made if failed, they failed and no black hole was created also.

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Israel actions have killed way more palestianians than hamas. What is hamas? A group of ragtag fighters vs a nuclear power with a standing army and american help. Israel should stop making settlements and let the Palestinians handle hamas. If they back off and stay in their own space they might just get peace.


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Hell Hath No Fury wrote:

Rich616 wrote: And how do you know Iran funds them? It’s been claimed by many people that the US funds Al-Qaeda. Iran just agreed to a peace deal, and there’s no evidence supporting them building a nuke. Yet Israel is still trying to lobby for war, which they know would turn into an international conflict.



The only people who claim united states funds Al Qaeda is Alex Jones type infowars conspiracy theorist. Meanwhile, countries ranging from Pakistan to Iran have been caught bankrolling Al Qaeda. One of the main reasons we’ve intervened in the middle east.

Same terrorist who attack western countries: 9/11, 7/7, Madrid, etc.

Why would we fund terrorist to attack us and our allies, anyway?



Wait so your not from Japan tomie?


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Humans.

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