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As we all know the US economic system is capitalism - perhaps the greediest economic system of them all. It’s a everyman for himself type of economic motor that is widely used to make the rich-richer and poor-poorer. It destroys the middle class over time and widens the gap between the poor and the rich.

Why? Because money is the source to greed, it is the scapegoat that people use to justify their morally questionable actions.

In “A Taste of Irrationality” Dr. Dan Ariely made social experiments that confirm- when money is a factor in a social situation, it overrides our consideration for other people:
[I’ll post quotes later]

Which brings me to the conclusion that having a more communist economic stand instead of a almost purely capitalist one, will benefit all of society.


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both communism & capitalism are works of Satan Shrek.



OT: Both have their ups & downs & both are imperfect systems.


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liberal socialism ftw!!


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12-30-2014 09:31 PM
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I’ll edit this some other day, but it does need revision.

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Properly Regulated Capitalism > Communism in Theory > Pure Capitalism > Communism in Practice


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Capitalism is naturally egocentric and evil. For every rich human,there are hundreds of sad poor humans who live in crappy home with horrible conditions and thus have sad lives. It is,in a way,survival of the fittest with the exception of not being able to kill nor rob.


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Van Hohenheim wrote: As we all know the US economic system is capitalism - perhaps the greediest economic system of them all. It’s a everyman for himself type of economic motor that is widely used to make the rich-richer and poor-poorer. It destroys the middle class over time and widens the gap between the poor and the rich.

Why? Because money is the source to greed, it is the scapegoat that people use to justify their morally questionable actions.

In “Taste of Irrationality” Dr. Dan Ariely made social experiments that confirm- when money is a factor in a social situation, it overrides our consideration for other people:
[I’ll post quotes later]

Which brings me to the conclusion that having a more communist economic stand instead of a almost purely capitalist one, will benefit all of society.

incorrect. basic animal instincts are the source of greed (its a more evolved form of territorialism). Money is a utilitarian medium of exchange that improves the effeciency of trade, by creating a universal store of value desired by all and thus exchangable for any good or service (eliminating the need for ineffecient bartering). There is still greed without money. But without some form of money (real and tangible or credit-based), civilization as we know it could not exist.


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Pride The Solo King wrote: Capitalism is naturally egocentric and evil. For every rich human,there are hundreds of sad poor humans who live in crappy home with horrible conditions and thus have sad lives. It is,in a way,survival of the fittest with the exception of not being able to kill nor rob.

as are people; thats why it works. Because it is compatible with human nature. It recognizes that human beings will not forgo liesure for labor without some prospect of reward and incentivises them accordingly. Communism fails because it denies the ego and clashes with human nature rather than building around it.


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B.J. Titty-Banger wrote:

Pride The Solo King wrote: Capitalism is naturally egocentric and evil. For every rich human,there are hundreds of sad poor humans who live in crappy home with horrible conditions and thus have sad lives. It is,in a way,survival of the fittest with the exception of not being able to kill nor rob.

as are people; thats why it works. Because it is compatible with human nature. It recognizes that human beings will not forgo liesure for labor without some prospect of reward and incentivises them accordingly. Communism fails because it denies the ego and clashes with human nature rather than building around it.


Indeed. Maybe a more advanced or sympathetic alien species made a communist society somewhere in a very far away galaxy.


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what if we plan to live in a future system where humans will be calculated parts of a computer of humanity???


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B.J. Titty-Banger wrote:
incorrect. basic animal instincts are the source of greed (its a more evolved form of territorialism). Money is a utilitarian medium of exchange that improves the effeciency of trade, by creating a universal store of value desired by all and thus exchangable for any good or service (eliminating the need for ineffecient bartering). There is still greed without money. But without some form of money (real and tangible or credit-based), civilization as we know it could not exist.


I’ll probably edit some of the wording.

Now regarding this point: Let me explain what I mean by money is the source of greed: In the social experiments done by Dr. Ariely and his colleagues; a fundamental principle of modern economy was put to the test -supply-and-demand- it was demonstrated that when the price of things dropped - there was a higher demand (“so far so good” the first law of demand remained true).

Once the price dropped to zero- there was a higher amount of people that did take x object, but the people were more conservative and didn’t take as much x object.

As oppose to: The price for x object being 5 cents; in such a case there was less amount of people, but more amount of x object was taken (thus the second law is false-because when x object was free less was taken by each person).

This is due to the fact that people are: “we are caring social animals, but when the rules of the game involve money, this tendency is muted." (Ariel 9).

Again like I said before, much editing and new thoughts that will merge and change will be presented in the future.

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The Living Tribunal wrote: what if we plan to live in a future system where humans will be calculated parts of a computer of humanity???


No,humans should be replaced by a race of submissive catgirls that would hail me as their king.


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Pride The Solo King wrote:

The Living Tribunal wrote: what if we plan to live in a future system where humans will be calculated parts of a computer of humanity???


No,humans should be replaced by a race of submissive catgirls that would hail me as their king.

straight


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The Living Tribunal wrote:

Pride The Solo King wrote:

The Living Tribunal wrote: what if we plan to live in a future system where humans will be calculated parts of a computer of humanity???


No,humans should be replaced by a race of submissive catgirls that would hail me as their king.

straight


It is perfection.


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01-01-2015 09:12 PM
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B.J. Titty-Banger wrote: Properly Regulated Capitalism > Communism in Theory > Pure Capitalism > Communism in Practice


Would regulating Capitalism even work? The whole point of Capitalism is for people to compete.

Thus this point brings me to wonder if Capitalism would even function if it is being restrained. Would big companies decided that “properly regulated” is too much of a hassle and just stop competing and selling? That would be bad for the economy of any Capitalist country.

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El Matas wrote:

B.J. Titty-Banger wrote: Properly Regulated Capitalism > Communism in Theory > Pure Capitalism > Communism in Practice


Would regulating Capitalism even work? The whole point of Capitalism is for people to compete.

Thus this point brings me to wonder if Capitalism would even function if it is being restrained. Would big companies decided that “properly regulated” is too much of a hassle and just stop competing and selling? That would be bad for the economy of any Capitalist country.

regulated capitalism is just competition with rules. It works.


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B.J. Titty-Banger wrote:

El Matas wrote:

B.J. Titty-Banger wrote: Properly Regulated Capitalism > Communism in Theory > Pure Capitalism > Communism in Practice


Would regulating Capitalism even work? The whole point of Capitalism is for people to compete.

Thus this point brings me to wonder if Capitalism would even function if it is being restrained. Would big companies decided that “properly regulated” is too much of a hassle and just stop competing and selling? That would be bad for the economy of any Capitalist country.

regulated capitalism is just competition with rules. It works.

is regulated capitalism the same as capitalism with elements of socialism?


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Van Hohenheim wrote: As we all know the US economic system is capitalism - perhaps the greediest economic system of them all. It’s a everyman for himself type of economic motor that is widely used to make the rich-richer and poor-poorer. It destroys the middle class over time and widens the gap between the poor and the rich.

Why? Because money is the source to greed, it is the scapegoat that people use to justify their morally questionable actions.

In “Taste of Irrationality” Dr. Dan Ariely made social experiments that confirm- when money is a factor in a social situation, it overrides our consideration for other people:
[I’ll post quotes later]

Which brings me to the conclusion that having a more communist economic stand instead of a almost purely capitalist one, will benefit all of society.

But what about me!? I’m serious. :|

Furthermore, no modern system is going to be any better, they’ll actually be worse.

In WWII we mass produced fighter planes at record low cost when the economy was failing.

Now, in today’s world? We can do so much more. If we stop trying to maintain old broken obsolete structures and city models, entire industrial models, roads, cars, planes, trains, railroads. It all costs more than it’s worth.

We can design an infrastructure that is so efficient and self-autonomous (no human laborers just machines) that nothing would cost more than a penny, there’d be no more damage to the environment imposed by its industry but rather it would go in coerce with the environment, in a restoration of sorts. Nothing would cost more than you could make in 4 hours, not a home not a means of transportation, nothing at the store, nothing at Gamestop, NOTHING.

We make resources infinite, there’s no more wealth disparity, no more separated living standards, no more fighting for some food, and war becomes obsolete.

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Money should be destroyed and social classes should be broken down.


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