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10-27-2008 10:43 AM
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Didn’t Akira approve of the series? And if so, isn’t that all that really matters?


why isn't GT considered canon?

No, because he didn't write it.******** 16%

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No, because he didn't write it and the feats don't add up.************** 26%

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No, because GT sux!!!!******** 16%

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Yes************** 26%

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Yes but GT still sux!!!!!****** 11%

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other.*** 5%

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This topic (and thus poll) has been locked.


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yes Akira approved it


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Poll is misleading. The question is not 'yes or no' answer.

In any case, it’s not canon since the creator didn’t write it. Mere approval does not canon make.


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LordMarluxia wrote: Poll is misleading. The question is not 'yes or no' answer.

In any case, it’s not canon since the creator didn’t write it. Mere approval does not canon make.


How would you have written the Poll? So the original creator always needs to write it for it to be canon? I guess non of the recent superman or batman comics are canon then. I did put “other”


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some one new wrote:

LordMarluxia wrote: Poll is misleading. The question is not 'yes or no' answer.

In any case, it’s not canon since the creator didn’t write it. Mere approval does not canon make.


How would you have written the Poll? So the original creator always needs to write it for it to be canon? I guess non of the recent superman or batman comics are canon then. I did put “other”



It would be 'Is GT canon?' Not 'WHY isn’t GT considered canon?' Considering all the poll choices except 'other' are not matching with the poll question, I say it’s pretty misleading.

And as for your statement about 'so the original creator always needs to write it for it to be canon,' it depends.

Some people might consider Superman or any other typical superhero series as canonical even if they are written by different people since the series is way too long for ONE person to actually finish it. It just goes on forever.

Anime, on the other hand, is much shorter. FMA, for example- Although the creator of Fullmetal Alchemist approved the anime version of it, she is still continuing the manga with completely different storyline than the anime version. In this case, the manga version would be considered canonical.


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LordMarluxia wrote:

some one new wrote:

LordMarluxia wrote: Poll is misleading. The question is not 'yes or no' answer.

In any case, it’s not canon since the creator didn’t write it. Mere approval does not canon make.


How would you have written the Poll? So the original creator always needs to write it for it to be canon? I guess non of the recent superman or batman comics are canon then. I did put “other”



It would be 'Is GT canon?' Not 'WHY isn’t GT considered canon?' Considering all the poll choices except 'other' are not matching with the poll question, I say it’s pretty misleading.

And as for your statement about 'so the original creator always needs to write it for it to be canon,' it depends.

Some people might consider Superman or any other typical superhero series as canonical even if they are written by different people since the series is way too long for ONE person to actually finish it. It just goes on forever.

Anime, on the other hand, is much shorter. FMA, for example- Although the creator of Fullmetal Alchemist approved the anime version of it, she is still continuing the manga with completely different storyline than the anime version. In this case, the manga version would be considered canonical.


Well it still seems more like opinion than fact to classify it in either way. If the creator approved it then why should there be any question? With DBZ the manga and the Anime were supposed to follow a similar story line. Except for the Movies and Filler.


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It is not cannon because even Toriyama himself denied it.

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“Dragon Ball GT was an original sequel series to Dragon Ball Z, based on the manga by Akira Toriyama. Toriyama did contribute some material early on, such as character designs for the leads, their spaceship, and some of the aliens, but for the most part, it was the work of Toei Animation. The author himself stated on an interview in the Perfect File books that he has had no problems with the series and was satisfied with its conclusion. However, he did wish to have had more involvement with the series.
Regardless of the creator’s influence, a number of plot holes make the series difficult to classify as canon. These include, but are not limited to:"
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Canon

Apparently Toriyama-sama wanted it to be canon.


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08-28-2009 06:28 PM
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GT can’t simply be considered canon because Toriyama approves it, because it has way too many plot holes to be considered canon.

1. Emperor Pilaf shouldn’t be alive because Vegeta only wished for the good guys to be wished back on earth.

2. Gohan shouldn’t be able to go Super Saiyan because of his mystic powers, and if he did somehow manage it everything around him, including the planet would be destroyed, you can’t ignore such a huge plot element from the canon series.

3. Elder Kai knowing about SSJ4, what the hell?

4. SSJ4 shouldn’t exist, because SSJ3 is hardly a true transformation, it’s a forced transformation made by Goku by finding a new Ki inside him, it wasn’t an original part of the transformation like SSJ2.

Here’s a chart I wrote up to show you the statistics of why SSJ4 shouldn’t exist.

Oozaru

-----> Super Saiyan 4

Super Saiyan


Now for Super Saiyan 3.


Super Saiyan ----- > Super Saiyan 2 + increased ki capacity = Super Saiyan 3.


Super Saiyan Super Saiyan 2 Super Saiyan 3
Oozaru
Super Saiyan 4

This insane amount of logic clearly speaks for itself, Super Saiyan 4 does NOT come after Super Saiyan 3, and therefore isn’t it’s successor, and shouldn’t be called SSJ4 nor should it exist.

It has a cool means of transforming, but it’s still a major reason why GT isn’t canon.

Approval by the series creator doesn’t make it canon, because if you look in the Super 17 saga, it shows Cooler.. so if GT was canon, that would make all the movie characters canon.

Cooler isn’t canon, and never will be because he put up less of a fight than Freeza for SSJ Goku, and they said Cooler was stronger. His second form makes no sense and isn’t explained.

Broly isn’t canon because the Legendary Super Saiyan is every Super Saiyan, it’s a legendary transformation.. Broly isn’t the one legendary Super Saiyan, Goku, Gohan, Goten, Vegeta, Trunks, Gotenks, Vegito, Gogeta.. they’re ALL legendary.

Those are the only points I need to make with movie villains, there isn’t any need to point anything more out, I hope this reply proves once and for all to you all that GT isn’t canon, but you still have the right to have your opinions.

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08-28-2009 06:33 PM
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Hell, even Gogeta isn’t canon.. because he appears stronger than Vegito with his greatly flashier SSJ aura.. anything not written by the series creator isn’t canon.

GT had potential, and despite it being canon if it was better I would have enjoyed watching it.

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But it is the next step from dbz so it should be canon plus it has the approval. Other stuff has writer change and is still canon so this should be to


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If it’s not in the Manga it’s not canon. Quit bumping old topics


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Simply because, Super 17 owned SSJ4 Goku and was killed by Base Goku kamehameha wave, when he cleary stated he had no more energy left so all this sums up to Base Goku > SSJ4 Goku >>>> SSJ3 Goku >>> SSJ2 Goku >> SSj Goku > BAse Goku > SSj4 Goku

Oh yea the shadow dragons was meant to represent Shenron’s powers... Shenron was killed by King Piccolo

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Well in away I do see gt canon in my opinion for the simple fact that the elder Kai didn’t like the dragon balls to be used for every little thing but never explained why. I think akira himself had the shadow dragons planned out for awhile, just never made it offical, before u say something retarded like “oh he didn’t want them to be depend it on them” ask urself y? Because they won’t be around 4ever? Plz there has to be a better explaination then that. Plus elder Kai was locked in the Z Sword for who knows how long and he knew about the dragon balls. Makes u wonder if the namekians were the ones who created the dragon balls?

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it aint canon cause it sucks,


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I consider it canon, because it DOES fit with the story, DBZ freak was just beginning to prove it. I’m obviously not talking about the crap filler in the beginning, but the main enemies all make sense.

Baby was a haunting of heritage, Super 17 a man made power, and omega shenron a evil entity.

That fits perfectly with

the saiyan killer freza, man made genetic freak cell, evil entity buu,

Pre-red ribbon: trying to live while periodically turning into great ape due to heritage, the man made red ribbon, and the evil entity piccolo

Also, the goku centered fact makes perfect since. Who other than vegeta and uub COULD have a worthwhile fight? Vegeta Didn’t have a chance to fight before he was taken over, witch he was afterwords obsolete. But as soon as he was comparable again, he was right back into the fray. But I admit the lack of Uub was disappointing, he had so much potential for the series T-T

The entire SSj4 thing makes since if you think about it. Its not a transformation, its merely when they find equilibrium with the oozaru in them, and there genetics were advanced enough. It was just called SSj4 because goku could go SSj3 and elder ki probably didn’t want to call it monkey thing form.

And before someone says anything, the DBZ’s genetics do improve with them, Cell wouldn’t be as strong without the fact that all there abilities were stored in them. This also gives the reason that a change in age didn’t hurt goku much power-wise.

Also, it makes since for elder ki to know about it too. Was it not a saiyan who killed freaking buu? of coarse he would do a little research on such a being, and wouldn’t at all take into consideration that no saiyan on earth has a tail.

The bad jokes and art are in no way related to the story, though you can argue that goku being turned into a kid, well, kids that young generally have bad jokes.

I admit, you cant pull any random quote from it like you can the manga, but the story itself completely canon to me.

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JakChrist wrote: GT can’t simply be considered canon because Toriyama approves it, because it has way too many plot holes to be considered canon.

1. Emperor Pilaf shouldn’t be alive because Vegeta only wished for the good guys to be wished back on earth.

2. Gohan shouldn’t be able to go Super Saiyan because of his mystic powers, and if he did somehow manage it everything around him, including the planet would be destroyed, you can’t ignore such a huge plot element from the canon series.

3. Elder Kai knowing about SSJ4, what the hell?

4. SSJ4 shouldn’t exist, because SSJ3 is hardly a true transformation, it’s a forced transformation made by Goku by finding a new Ki inside him, it wasn’t an original part of the transformation like SSJ2.

Here’s a chart I wrote up to show you the statistics of why SSJ4 shouldn’t exist.

Oozaru

-----> Super Saiyan 4

Super Saiyan


Now for Super Saiyan 3.


Super Saiyan ----- > Super Saiyan 2 + increased ki capacity = Super Saiyan 3.


Super Saiyan Super Saiyan 2 Super Saiyan 3
Oozaru
Super Saiyan 4

This insane amount of logic clearly speaks for itself, Super Saiyan 4 does NOT come after Super Saiyan 3, and therefore isn’t it’s successor, and shouldn’t be called SSJ4 nor should it exist.

It has a cool means of transforming, but it’s still a major reason why GT isn’t canon.

Approval by the series creator doesn’t make it canon, because if you look in the Super 17 saga, it shows Cooler.. so if GT was canon, that would make all the movie characters canon.

Cooler isn’t canon, and never will be because he put up less of a fight than Freeza for SSJ Goku, and they said Cooler was stronger. His second form makes no sense and isn’t explained.

Broly isn’t canon because the Legendary Super Saiyan is every Super Saiyan, it’s a legendary transformation.. Broly isn’t the one legendary Super Saiyan, Goku, Gohan, Goten, Vegeta, Trunks, Gotenks, Vegito, Gogeta.. they’re ALL legendary.

Those are the only points I need to make with movie villains, there isn’t any need to point anything more out, I hope this reply proves once and for all to you all that GT isn’t canon, but you still have the right to have your opinions.



1. Maybe wasn’t considered evil anymore, he hadn’t done anything the whole DBZ series.

2.Gohan can still go SSJ and SSJ2, the Elder Kai just said, he wouldn’t need them anymore.

3.Why the hell, wouldn’t Elder Kai know about SSJ4? He’s been around since the original Super Saiyan and probably knew he was only able to do so in his transformed state, like in Great Ape, Like a Super Saiyan 4’s transformation. Movies, those are a different debate. But GT is canon, Akira Toriyama even said he wanted it to be.

4.SSJ4 is a true transformation. More so than SSJ2 as it builds off of Vegeta’s flashback saying, the most powerful super saiyan only had the power in a transformed state. And, to go SSJ4 you have to become Super Saiyan then go Great Ape, that would also explain why SSJ3 lasts longer when Goku had his tail. You are right, it doesn’t really come after SSJ3, but it was discovered afterward, so yea.

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He approved it but let’s be honest. If the actual creator started it and it came from HIS mind. Then someone else continues it. It would be very different.
I prefer for it to come from the original maker for it to
be true.


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