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Welcome to the Official Sonic Discussion thread!

Archie Sonic comics feat compendium(Work in progress)

Credit to Wolfenstein for this list

Sonic Generations feat list

Credit to yours truely for the list. It’s toward the bottom and on page 12.


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If anything downgrades from other sonic games

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Oh God the LAST thing Sonic fucking needs is a power boost.

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NEGATIVE-ZERO wrote: Oh God the LAST thing Sonic fucking needs is a power boost.



If this was Archie I’d agree, that is hax enough already.

With this being game and all. I for one am all for having Sonic get a power up.


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With this being game and all. I for one am all for having Sonic get a power up.


I have to ask......why?

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was only getting the game for perfect chaos and it shows him being beaten up by base sonic, I’m either impressed that sonic now can fight on par with SA1 super sonic’s ram attack or unhappy that chaos doesn’t get a good fight.

silver is getting better by the game, wasn’t he quite fast in the sonic rivals games?

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straight

I’m really not looking forward to Seeing Silver- wait a second

if we go by Cutscenes/etc, he’s always been able to fly somewhat fast- if he’s flying fast, and juts chucks stuff, that’s not reaction-time - type of combat speed. So the jury’s out on Silver.

As for if he needed a boost- well, go play the fights against him in 06 and come back and tell me he needed a boost xD I want to hear that one, that’s some funny stuff.

Of course now if Generations doesn’t make his controlling of player characters as absolute, then maybe.....

As for Sonic in general...since they’re re-dressing all the old fights, I really cant say-

Oh, something no one considered- whoever the real is in this game- theyre a time manipulator(plot), so Sonic’s confirmed to at least be high-ending it when everything’s on the line. I’ll look forward to that.


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NearRyuzaki wrote: was only getting the game for perfect chaos and it shows him being beaten up by base sonic, I’m either impressed that sonic now can fight on par with SA1 super sonic’s ram attack or unhappy that chaos doesn’t get a good fight.

silver is getting better by the game, wasn’t he quite fast in the sonic rivals games?



Yeah, it’s gonna be interesting to see how the fight works.

Huh, forgot about Rivals(I don’t have a PSP). I’m not 100% sure if he fought Sonic. But even if he did the strength feat for his PK from the last Silver scan I posted is new.

NEGATIVE-ZERO wrote:

With this being game and all. I for one am all for having Sonic get a power up.


I have to ask......why?



Because unlike Archie it’s SEGA powering up Sonic in the main canon. If they want to have him show some impressive feats then I say go for it. And Sonic is my favorite series ever. I can be a little biased lol.

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I’m really not looking forward to Seeing Silver- wait a second

if we go by Cutscenes/etc, he’s always been able to fly somewhat fast- if he’s flying fast, and juts chucks stuff, that’s not reaction-time - type of combat speed. So the jury’s out on Silver.

As for if he needed a boost- well, go play the fights against him in 06 and come back and tell me he needed a boost xD I want to hear that one, that’s some funny stuff.

Of course now if Generations doesn’t make his controlling of player characters as absolute, then maybe.....

As for Sonic in general...since they’re re-dressing all the old fights, I really cant say-

Oh, something no one considered- whoever the real is in this game- theyre a time manipulator(plot), so Sonic’s confirmed to at least be high-ending it when everything’s on the line. I’ll look forward to that.



Oh yeah I’m well aware of the flying at high speeds for Silver in 06. Some still think he’s slow though.

Silver does not need a boost that is true lol.

I think we’ll see some good feats in this game to give Sonic a boost.


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Silver has never been “slow”, he had to have the reactions to fight Shadow, though he still lost to Sonic.

Though, Sonic will absolutely demolish Silver/Shadow again. That’ll be fun to see.

And yes, base Sonic has gotten much more powerful since Adventure. He tanked hits from the Dark Queen, beat the shit out of Dark Gaia’s eyes, etc...

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Omniwhatever wrote:

NearRyuzaki wrote: was only getting the game for perfect chaos and it shows him being beaten up by base sonic, I’m either impressed that sonic now can fight on par with SA1 super sonic’s ram attack or unhappy that chaos doesn’t get a good fight.

silver is getting better by the game, wasn’t he quite fast in the sonic rivals games?



Yeah, it’s gonna be interesting to see how the fight works.

Huh, forgot about Rivals(I don’t have a PSP). I’m not 100% sure if he fought Sonic. But even if he did the strength feat for his PK from the last Silver scan I posted is new.

NEGATIVE-ZERO wrote:

With this being game and all. I for one am all for having Sonic get a power up.


I have to ask......why?



Because unlike Archie it’s SEGA powering up Sonic in the main canon. If they want to have him show some impressive feats then I say go for it. And Sonic is my favorite series ever. I can be a little biased lol.



I heard he kept up with shadow or sonic, can’t remember if it was true though. time eater will prop be weaker then solaris considering the plot. if he does get more power in the games, I would be happier since hopefully people will stop using archie.

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Because unlike Archie itís SEGA powering up Sonic in the main canon.


Game Sonic is also overpowered enough as it is.

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Oh yeah Iím well aware of the flying at high speeds for Silver in 06. Some still think heís slow though.

Silver does not need a boost that is true lol.

I think weíll see some good feats in this game to give Sonic a boost.




Silver does not need a boost that is true lol.

This is a massive understatement. Really a understatement.

Silver has never been ďslowĒ, he had to have the reactions to fight Shadow, though he still lost to Sonic.

Though, Sonic will absolutely demolish Silver/Shadow again. Thatíll be fun to see.



I am not familiar with the Rivals storylines, but last I checked, Silver...got blitzed, but then started cheap shotting and PK- smashing Sonic and came extremely close to killign him via his ...overpowered PK

Both times they fought.

Sonic and Shadow didn’t fight that time....
When Shadow fought Silver(interfering before Silver splatted Sonic via PK)- Silver found out the hard way what happens when a speedy Chaos Controller doesn’t dilly-daly.


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NEGATIVE-ZERO wrote:

Because unlike Archie it’s SEGA powering up Sonic in the main canon.


Game Sonic is also overpowered enough as it is.



Not THAT crazy.

He’s light speed, has city+ to Multi-City Destructive Power. Probably durability as well, momentum control, teleportation, time freezing/slowing, punts cars like foot balls, and some Chaos Powers.

Am I missing anything major? Cause I think he’s powerful. But not overpowered.

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Oh yeah I’m well aware of the flying at high speeds for Silver in 06. Some still think he’s slow though.

Silver does not need a boost that is true lol.

I think we’ll see some good feats in this game to give Sonic a boost.




Silver does not need a boost that is true lol.

This is a massive understatement. Really a understatement.

Silver has never been “slow”, he had to have the reactions to fight Shadow, though he still lost to Sonic.

Though, Sonic will absolutely demolish Silver/Shadow again. That’ll be fun to see.



I am not familiar with the Rivals storylines, but last I checked, Silver...got blitzed, but then started cheap shotting and PK- smashing Sonic and came extremely close to killign him via his ...overpowered PK

Both times they fought.

Sonic and Shadow didn’t fight that time....
When Shadow fought Silver(interfering before Silver splatted Sonic via PK)- Silver found out the hard way what happens when a speedy Chaos Controller doesn’t dilly-daly.



Also, which Rivals Game(1 or 2) was Silver Blizted and started cheap shotting?

Also, very true, Shadow is tied with Sonic in power.


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Omniwhatever wrote:

NEGATIVE-ZERO wrote:

Because unlike Archie itís SEGA powering up Sonic in the main canon.


Game Sonic is also overpowered enough as it is.



Not THAT crazy.

He’s light speed, has city+ to Multi-City Destructive Power. Probably durability as well, momentum control, teleportation, time freezing/slowing, punts cars like foot balls, and some Chaos Powers.

Am I missing anything major? Cause I think he’s powerful. But not overpowered.



Agreed.

#1. Sonic rarely(in ANY media) pulls out his higher speeds. That’s why his speed feats are so scattered. At least they are consistent
#2. Chaos Control- Sonic really doesnt find this his cup of tea. Overpowered- lol, not via usage.

As for the rest, all true- i just wish they hadn’t gotten rid of the spindash- that being one of his most powerful abilities

I’d make the case that not using his stronger abilities actually cost him HARD in his fights against Silver- Because he would have stomped Silver


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Tippership Commander wrote: I am not familiar with the Rivals storylines, but last I checked, Silver...got blitzed, but then started cheap shotting and PK- smashing Sonic and came extremely close to killign him via his ...overpowered PK



I’m talking about the 06 game. Silver outright lost to Sonic in that one.

Tippership Commander wrote: Both times they fought.



The second time Silver faced Sonic was not even a fight, It was just a plot device to have Shadow come in. Sonic did legitimately beat Silver before-hand.

Tippership Commander wrote: When Shadow fought Silver(interfering before Silver splatted Sonic via PK)- Silver found out the hard way what happens when a speedy Chaos Controller doesnít dilly-daly.



Shadow and Silver are even. But with an Emerald one could take advantage over the other. They are stalemates in 06.

Sonic’s the one above them. Generations even proves this because he’l beat them again. Repeating some events in history.

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Tippership Commander wrote:

Omniwhatever wrote:

NEGATIVE-ZERO wrote:

Because unlike Archie it’s SEGA powering up Sonic in the main canon.


Game Sonic is also overpowered enough as it is.



Not THAT crazy.

He’s light speed, has city+ to Multi-City Destructive Power. Probably durability as well, momentum control, teleportation, time freezing/slowing, punts cars like foot balls, and some Chaos Powers.

Am I missing anything major? Cause I think he’s powerful. But not overpowered.



Agreed.

#1. Sonic rarely(in ANY media) pulls out his higher speeds. That’s why his speed feats are so scattered. At least they are consistent
#2. Chaos Control- Sonic really doesnt find this his cup of tea. Overpowered- lol, not via usage.

As for the rest, all true- i just wish they hadn’t gotten rid of the spindash- that being one of his most powerful abilities

I’d make the case that not using his stronger abilities actually cost him HARD in his fights against Silver- Because he would have stomped Silver



The fastest Sonic has shown is Light Speed, but who knows. He might be faster.

Chaos Control is VERY hax lol.

Sonic still has the Spin Dash.

Agreed. Sonic usually likes to have fun in his fights. This costs him occasionally.

@Wolfenstein

Remember, in Silvers story He beat Sonic.

You sure Sonic’s is canon version?


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Both are a canon, actually. Silver’s story just cuts out the scene, but the follow-up to the same scene is the exact same in Silver’s story.

They just cut it out because of story favoritism, but It dosen’t mean It never happened.

Think of The Hero and Dark. We never saw Sonic use CC, but he did.

There are no contradictions between them. Both are canon, because both are the same. One is just un-cut.

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Wolfenstein wrote:

Tippership Commander wrote: I am not familiar with the Rivals storylines, but last I checked, Silver...got blitzed, but then started cheap shotting and PK- smashing Sonic and came extremely close to killign him via his ...overpowered PK



I’m talking about the 06 game. Silver outright lost to Sonic in that one.

Tippership Commander wrote: Both times they fought.



The second time Silver faced Sonic was not even a fight, It was just a plot device to have Shadow come in. Sonic did legitimately beat Silver before-hand.

Tippership Commander wrote: When Shadow fought Silver(interfering before Silver splatted Sonic via PK)- Silver found out the hard way what happens when a speedy Chaos Controller doesnít dilly-daly.



Shadow and Silver are even. But with an Emerald one could take advantage over the other. They are stalemates in 06.

Sonic’s the one above them. Generations even proves this because he’l beat them again. Repeating some events in history.



1. so am I. Silver was the “winner” until Amy stopped the finishing blow.

2. Maybe
3. I don’t think so. Not when Silver’s powers can’t effect energy whatsoever- and from Silver’s point of view , fighting Shadow when he was Chaos boosted- -that PK trick didn’t quite work. The Chaos Spears/lances were killing him. If Chaos Boosted Shadow used Chaos Blast- oh suprise suprise, the PK had no effect...etc.

I know the cutscene showed Shadow breathing heavily, but I really didn’t get the impression Silver was winning in any sort of way, considerng how mad he was at Shadow and how he was raging, throwing simple punches at that point(He was Really mad things weren’t going his way, and getting madder by the second)

Yes , a part of that may have been because Shadow and Meph look similar


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Wolfenstein wrote: Both are a canon, actually. Silver’s story just cuts out the scene, but the follow-up to the same scene is the exact same in Silver’s story.

They just cut it out because of story favoritism, but It dosen’t mean It never happened.

Think of The Hero and Dark. We never saw Sonic use CC, but he did.

There are no contradictions between them. Both are canon, because both are the same. One is just un-cut.



Ahh, that explains it. Haven’t played that stage in a very long time. Didn’t remember it too well.

I still think Shadow and Sonic are very even.


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@Tipper:

1) He “won” after he lost the actual fight and used a sneak attack on Sonic. That’s cheating.

2) I’m sure of It actually. Otherwise there would’ve been an actual fight.

3) I first interpret that scene differently than Shadow and Silver stalemating.

But ok, Silver might be weaker than Shadow. He’s already weaker than Sonic so I could see Shadow winning.

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